needle 发表于 2004-4-7 06:31:23

Issue176,机经高频,科学功能艺术目的,疑问重重中

176."The function of science is to reassure; the purpose of art is to upset. Therein lies the value of each."

提纲:
1.不同意,科学也有创新,艺术不仅仅为了颠覆
2.科学之创新功能
3.艺术之其它目的
4.总结

这一篇我知道写的不好.....但是,疑问太多了,发上来大家讨论一下。写得真的快疯了,想想写写,差不多后半夜都陪上了。唉!

Which words will emerge in one's mind when science is referred to him/her? And what about the same question on art? People mostly hold the opinion that the words "objective" and "reassurance" are somehow linked with science, and "subjective" and "upset" with art as well. Do they exactly describe the characteristic of them? As far as I am concerned, the value and function of science do not lie in reassurance only, and neither are the value and purpose of art to upset solely.

Firstly, from the angle of science, not only it contributes to the explanations of problems which once cannot be understood by people, also does it do help with the overthrow of the old society in some cases concurrently.  A necessary scrutiny of the science's generation reveals that all kinds of disciplines came from the solving of problems in people's lives. In fact, some of them do transform the world wholly, by which way the values of them are represented.  There are ample examples in current society, one of which should worth focusing on is the invention of generator.  After people were able to produce and utilize electricity (which are surely supported by relative disciplines, such as chemistry and physics), except the word "upset", nothing could be remarked on the effect of this great accomplishment of science on mankind society. Also, other kinds of science without inventions do actually work as the “inventors”. One of an achievement of Philosophy, the science to reassure the doubts in mind and thoughts about the entire universe, would be a suitable example here. The birth of Marxism did not only function as a prominent branch of Philosophy, it also assisted the establishment of a new kind of social system called socialism based on it. Thus, it is unjust to accentuate science' function on and value in reassurance only and obliterate creation.

Secondly, art is not on purpose to upset only.  As a common sense, art is more frequently regarded a way to express one’s feelings rather than overturn something exists. In case of dance, studies show that it is probably from the ancients’ random actions of stretching their body after a hard work. And poems have been postulated to develop from the simple and even nonsensical murmurs during the ancients’ physical labor. Even at present, art articles are created more likely for the eager to express the fleeting muses in the artists’ mind rather than for an intention to upset something. Beethoven composed those outstanding symphonies to carry on his dreams and feelings inside, and Picasso painted those distinguished paintings to show his understanding of the world. Their values are undoubted even without an upsetting purpose. Admittedly, there still are some artists called avant-garde who advocate that art should avoid repeating and assert that to upset the old patterns, not only in skills, contents but also in spirit, is the main task of art. For instance, experimental music has never stopped and the value of it is attributed to its creative feature. In sum, to ascribe art’s purpose and value to upsetting merely is a view without well-around consideration.

To draw a conclusion, though science is somewhat objective for its renowned accuracy and art is objective for its exceptional imagination, simple allegations about their properties and evaluations of their values will be inevitably with great prejudices.(541 words)

这一篇Issue写了很长时间,因为对题目的分析在写的过程中变了又变,所以不得不经常停下来大面积的修改。非常痛苦!

疑问很多:
1.function和purpose是不是应该理解为不同的意思,当然,字面的意思是不同的,但是写的时候呢?

2.反驳的时候没发现需要写科学与艺术的关系的地方,连需要对比的地方都没有。Body1和body2完全各自独立!这能行吗?问题是,题目中的科学和艺术有什么关系呢?完全没有发现提示,尤其在function和purpose分别各自理解为“功能”和“目的”的情况下,题目本身科学和艺术就没有关系,一个讲功能和价值,一个讲目的和价值。应该把联系点放在哪儿?

3.value是重点吗?应该重点描述吗?怎样描述呢?


谢谢大家先!

lovebrian 发表于 2004-4-7 10:26:55


JJ的提纲是可以的~~写法应该问题不大
难在内容~~
说科技还好写~那个艺术就难了!upset是个什么?颠覆?我都不理解颠覆是个什么意思!FT

body2说艺术可以表达思想——这个与upset是否是一个层面的?冲突吗?我看未必~~~表达思想,依然可以upset

value应该不是重点~~重点是purpose

这个题目我想的时候,也是两大段:
1。科学当然有reassure的目的,但也有upset的目的
2。艺术当然有upset的目的,同时也可以reassure~~~

这样就不孤立了~~~而且也不会出现层面问题——题目就这样给的嘛!

可是我实在不知道upset怎么回事儿!

FT

大家来讨论巴~~ :mad:



lovebrian 发表于 2004-4-7 10:40:29

看看这片~~~~优秀习作的

176."The function of science is to reassure; the purpose of art is to upset. Therein lies the value of each."

What are the functions and purposes of Science and Art? Are their values so distinct from each other as indicated in the title statement? According to my understanding, the function of science is not always to reassure and the purpose of art also goes far beyond upsetting.

Admittedly, science does reassure people in the sense that it aims to seek the eternal order of things, to reveal the laws of nature and hence disenchant the external world and dissipate our anxiety and doubt in face of all that seems unknowable. Human nature determines that we will feel restless when we are confronted with something mysterious and uncertain. At the primitive stage of human history, almost the whole world appeared to be unaccountable and incomprehensible to our ancestors. Without the help of science, they had no choice but to resort to superstitions and religions for relief and salvation. As time passes by, the accumulation of knowledge, experience and intelligence of numerous generations leads to the spring of science. Science assures us that there lie laws and rules beneath any seemingly inexplainable phenomenon and there exist solutions to any problem. Even if we have not found and collected all keys to the unknown parts of the world, most of us still feel confident that there will be reasonable answers to everything. In this sense, science not only endows us with the power to explore and conquest nature and the outer world but also gives us a certain spiritual power to feel reassured facing the unknown future.

However, the rapid development of science, which is desirable and beneficial to a great extent, brings out new problems and threats to human existence. Cloning technology, nuclear weapons and biochemical weapons etc. are all potential time bombs that may lead to the destruction of the whole humanity if we don't control and limit their development and application. Science, which is like a double-edged sword, fails to reassure us but to arouse our new anxiety and fear for the possible detrimental consequences of the over-development of science. We are increasingly not assured about the bright future of the mankind promised by science. Maybe there truly exist rational solutions to every problem, while human beings have a long way to go before we reach those solutions by virtue of science or some other means.

As for the sister of science---art, one of its purposes is actually to upset. Art also tends to find the eternal order of things; but art more focuses on the inner world to explore and re-examine human nature. The introspection of our minds and souls usually accompanies pessimism, disappointment and affliction. We cannot escape the meditation on permanent queries such as where the meaning of life lies and why the world is full of misfortune, distress and desire. It is not difficult to understand why the most powerful and infectious artworks are generally centered on tragic themes or depict the struggle of men or women against nature, society or their destiny. Art highlights the tragedy of human beings and upsets the brilliant outlook and optimistic future promised by science. Science cannot resolve boundless questions concerning existence itself. Art addresses these questions and usually make us upset and unassured about everything.

On the other hand, art also conveys pleasure, beauty, virtue and truth to its audience. In the process of appreciating the painting of Virgin Mary by Da Vinci, we can relish the peaceful state of mind and forget all the worldly trivia and troublesome business. Who will still be haunted by uncertainty of life when he or she hears the heavenly melodies of Mozart? In this world where nobody can escape the final destination ---death, and nobody can be really freed from any physical or spiritual suffering or affliction, art is an infinite source of peacefulness and happiness for us. Even if the relief only lasts a short moment, we should deeply owe the precious moment to those great artists.

In conclusion, science and art both aim to find the eternal and universal order of things, explore the internal and external world and find out the ultimate truth. The process of pursuing truth, eternity and universality inevitably involves interlaced and endless anxiety and reassurance. In this process lie the values of science and art, that is, to illuminate the darkness of unknown, reveal the meaning of life, and lead the mankind into the realm of beauty, truth and virtue.

我在这儿呆了一个多月~~很少见这期间被加入优秀习作的~~这篇就是!
出处: https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172871
作者: yellowbean

yifeng 发表于 2004-4-7 11:14:30

占个座。:p实在不好意思,这几天一直忙,没来上网。今天看看,好多人都改了,我就不拍了,加油哦!

saltsberry 发表于 2004-4-7 11:25:41

我曾发过一贴,讨论该题

176."The function of science is to reassure; the purpose of art is to upset. Therein lies the value of each."

What are the functions and purposes of Science and Art? Are their values so distinct from each other as indicated in the title statement? According to my understanding, the function of science is not always to reassure and the purpose of art also goes far beyond upsetting. (好!!!一下子将原题的设论扔掉了,自己可以自由发挥了)

Admittedly, science does reassure people in the sense that it aims to seek the eternal order of things, to reveal the laws of nature and hence disenchant the external world and dissipate our anxiety and doubt in face of all that seems unknowable. Human nature determines that we will feel restless when we are confronted with something mysterious and uncertain. At the primitive stage of human history, almost the whole world appeared to be unaccountable and incomprehensible to our ancestors. Without the help of science, they had no choice but to resort to superstitions and religions(那时候有宗教吗?呵呵) for relief and salvation. As time passes by, the accumulation of knowledge, experience and intelligence of numerous generations leads to the spring of science. Science assures us that there lie laws and rules beneath any seemingly inexplainable phenomenon and there exist solutions to any problem. Even if we have not found and collected all keys to the unknown parts of the world,(even there still remains many mysteries) most of us still feel confident that there will be reasonable answers to everything. In this sense, science not only endows us with the power to explore and conquest nature and the outer world but also gives us a certain spiritual power to feel reassured facing the unknown future. (对科学的reassure论证很清晰)

However, the rapid development of science, which is desirable and beneficial to a great extent, brings out new problems and threats to human existence. Cloning technology, nuclear weapons and biochemical weapons etc. are all potential time bombs that may lead to the destruction of the whole humanity if we don't control and limit their development and application. Science, which is like a double-edged sword, fails to reassure us but to arouse our new anxiety and fear for the possible detrimental consequences of the over-development of science. We are increasingly not assured about the bright future of the mankind promised by science. Maybe there truly exist rational solutions to every problem, while human beings have a long way to go before we reach those solutions by virtue of (这个词组很不错)science or some other means.

As for the sister of science---art, one of its purposes is actually to upset. Art also tends to find the eternal order of things; but art more focuses on the inner world to explore and re-examine human nature. The introspection of our minds and souls usually accompanies pessimism, disappointment and affliction. We cannot escape the meditation on permanent queries such as where the meaning of life lies and why the world is full of misfortune, distress and desire. It is not difficult to understand why the most powerful and infectious artworks are generally centered on tragic themes or depict the struggle of men or women against nature, society or their destiny. Art highlights the tragedy of human beings and upsets the brilliant outlook and optimistic future promised by science. Science cannot resolve boundless questions concerning existence itself. Art addresses these questions and usually make us upset and unassured about everything.(这段的内容我从来没想到过的,因为作者所提的pessimism, disappointment, distress属于社会人文范畴,怎么扯到art里面来了? 但是好像还挺和谐)

On the other hand, art also conveys pleasure, beauty, virtue and truth to its audience. In the process of appreciating the painting of Virgin Mary by Da Vinci, we can relish the peaceful state of mind and forget all the worldly trivia and troublesome business. Who will still be haunted by uncertainty of life when he or she hears the heavenly melodies of Mozart? In this world where nobody can escape the final destination ---death, and nobody can be really freed from any physical or spiritual suffering or affliction, art is an infinite source of peacefulness and happiness for us. Even if the relief only lasts a short moment, we should deeply owe the precious moment to those great artists.

In conclusion, science and art both aim to find the eternal and universal order of things, explore the internal and external world and find out the ultimate truth. The process of pursuing truth, eternity and universality inevitably involves interlaced and endless anxiety and reassurance. In this process lie the values of science and art, that is, to illuminate the darkness of unknown, reveal the meaning of life, and lead the mankind into the realm of beauty, truth and virtue.(结尾精彩!!!!!佩服!!!)

这道题目其实挺难找例证,本以为作者开头已经提供了逃脱题干社论的圈套,要转而论其他,主体仍然是题干内容,而且例证很切合(要是我碰到了,呵呵,用这个开头没得说)
结构总—分(正、反)-- 分(正、反)—总,相当工整
结尾的文采最漂亮!!!背下来,没得说!!!

needle 发表于 2004-4-7 11:31:03

最初由 lovebrian 发布

JJ的提纲是可以的~~写法应该问题不大
难在内容~~
说科技还好写~那个艺术就难了!upset是个什么?颠覆?我都不理解颠覆是个什么意思!FT

body2说艺术可以表达思想——这个与upset是否是一个层面的?冲突吗?我看未必~~~表达思想,依然可以upset

value应该不是重点~~重点是purpose

这个题目我想的时候,也是两大段:
1。科学当然有reassure的目的,但也有upset的目的
2。艺术当然有upset的目的,同时也可以reassure~~~

这样就不孤立了~~~而且也不会出现层面问题——题目就这样给的嘛!

可是我实在不知道upset怎么回事儿!

FT

大家来讨论巴~~

问题是,写科学的function不仅仅是reassure,必须要写其upset的一面吗?写艺术的purpose不仅仅是upset,必须要写其reassure的一面吗?我没有看到两者的联系。所以,我写科学的其他function的时候选择了和upset相近的creation(其实没有明说,主要写其对改变世界的影响,因为是function)。写艺术的时候,我着重写了其它的purpose是expression(没觉得这里必须要写reassure)。

内容其实不是很难。你说的expression和upset的问题,我想这儿这不是完全对立的。但是作为艺术的“目的”,大多数的情况是基于表达的需要而产生的,而不是基于想要颠覆才产生艺术作品。当然也不是没有这样的例子,所以我的TS没有否认upset为艺术的purpose之一,Body2在说完expression之后作了让步,说了upset,举的例子是试验音乐。

再讨论。


BTW,谢谢yifeng占座

发呆的小熊 发表于 2004-4-7 11:32:25

176."The function of science is to reassure; the purpose of art is to upset. Therein lies the value of each."

提纲:
1.不同意,科学也有创新,艺术不仅仅为了颠覆
2.科学之创新功能
3.艺术之其它目的
4.总结

这一篇我知道写的不好.....但是,疑问太多了,发上来大家讨论一下。写得真的快疯了,想想写写,差不多后半夜都陪上了。唉!

Which wordsword will emerge in one's mind when science is referred to him/her? And what about the same question on art? People mostly hold the opinion that the words "objective" and "reassurance" are somehow linked with science, and "subjective" and "upset" with art as well. Do they exactly describe the characteristic of them? As far as I am concerned, the value and function of science do not lie in reassurance only, and neither are the value and purpose of art to upset solely. 为什么要提主观客观的问题?和题目没有什么关系吧

Firstly, from the angle这个词用得合适吗? of science, not only it contributes to the explanations of problems which once cannot be understood by people, also does it do help with the overthrow of the old society in some cases concurrently. A necessary scrutiny of the science's generation reveals that all kinds of disciplines came from the solving of problems in people's lives. In fact, some of them do transform the world wholly, by which way the values of them are represented. There are ample examples in current society, one of which should worth focusing on is the invention of generator. After people were able to produce and utilize electricity (which are surely supported by relative disciplines, such as chemistry and physics), except the word "upset", nothing could be remarked on the effect of this great accomplishment of science on mankind society. Also, other kinds of science without inventions do actually work as the “inventors”. One of an achievement of Philosophy, the science to reassure the doubts in mind and thoughts about the entire universe, would be a suitable example here. The birth of Marxism did not only function as a prominent branch of Philosophy, it also assisted the establishment of a new kind of social system called socialism based on it. Thus, it is unjust to accentuate science' function on and value in reassurance only and obliterate creation.我觉得现在的问题在于大家如何理解UPSET的问题。这个词我也犹豫的好久,但我觉得应该不是起颠覆的意思,这个大家再讨论吧。但即使理解成颠覆是对的,这一段也有些跑题,哲学不能算是科学吧!干嘛提哲学呀?

Secondly, art is not on purpose to upset only. As a common sense, art is more frequently regarded a way to express one’s feelings rather than overturn something exists. In case of dance, studies show that it is probably from the ancients’ random actions of stretching their body after a hard work. And poems have been postulated to develop from the simple and even nonsensical murmurs during the ancients’ physical labor. Even at present, art articles are created more likely for the eager to express the fleeting muses in the artists’ mind rather than for an intention to upset something. Beethoven composed those outstanding symphonies to carry on his dreams and feelings inside, and Picasso painted those distinguished paintings to show his understanding of the world. Their values are undoubted even without an upsetting purpose. Admittedly, there still are some artists called avant-garde who advocate that art should avoid repeating and assert that to upset the old patterns, not only in skills, contents but also in spirit, is the main task of art. For instance, experimental music has never stopped and the value of it is attributed to its creative feature. In sum, to ascribe art’s purpose and value to upsetting merely is a view without well-around consideration.

To draw a conclusion, though science is somewhat objective for its renowned accuracy and art is objective for its exceptional imagination, simple allegations about their properties and evaluations of their values will be inevitably with great prejudices.(541 words)

我觉得对于题中的几个关键词的理解很重要,即purpose, function, reassure 和upset,尤其是最后一个词。这道题很高频,希望大家能讨论一下子。我也限时写了一篇,楼主帮着看看大家沟通一下吧。

发呆的小熊 发表于 2004-4-7 11:39:31

下面是我写的一篇,楼长有时间也掐一掐吧!

No.1 issue176, 新出炉的BT文章限时第一篇
Issue176 第1篇 让砖头来得更猛烈些吧!
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The function of science is to reassure; the purpose of art is to upset. Therein lies the value of each.
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what is the main purpose of the science and art? some may argue that the main function of the science is to reassure people and the art is to make people more upset. It is possible that it each of them will be one of the functions of the science and art, but it is not always the case, concerning the development of the human being. As far as I am concerned, both the science and the art have the function to reassure and to upset.

Science, after its thousand years of development, has made the human being to live in a more and more confident world. In the remote ancient times, our ancestors lived in a world that they could not control or understand the power of the nature. The natural catastrophes, the wild beasts made them feel anxieties and horrors. when the modern science rose up, more and more mysterious phenomena has been explained and the modern people need not to rely on the superstition or the religion to explain the phenomena threatening their lives, and the modern science enable them to live in a comfortable environment that they would not worry about the lack of food, the attack by wild animals or the shocking natural catastrophes. It is the science reassures people to feel confidence of their own power to conquer the nature, and the science offers the humankind various methods and equipment to strive for a better life.

Unfortunately, the function to reassure is not the mere attribute of the science. when the science presents the humankinds a better way to explore the outer world as well as their inner one, it also bring the humankinds lot of things to worry about. The atom energy is a case of point. the atom energy offers a good alternative to the fossil fuel, but the employment in the atom bomb do lead humankinds to a potential destruction. Now we live in a peaceful, prosperous world, but the future is vague because the horrible atom bomb in our hands can destroy our beautiful world for several times. Other scientific researches such as the clone technology also can illuminate this point of view. Simply put, while the science creats us a more affluent world to live in, it also bring us something to worry about.

Art, the sister of the science in our human civilization, demonstrates a dual-face to us either. The art, as the representative of the artist's deep feelings and thoughts of our world, has a tendency to reveal the tragic or pessimistic aspects of the humankinds. It is well known that the tragedy is popular to the readers because it can arouse the resonance of the adversity in our deep minds. Romeo and Juliet, the most famous tragedy of Shakespear, has demonstrated the great love to us but arranged a pessimistic end. We do enjoy the Shakespear's beautiful verse in the story, but we are also upset by the tragic end of the two lovers. however, it is not always the case that the art present us a upset feeling when the artist creats it. It is also the art that instills the proud of our human being, the virtues we can follow, and the glory of the human nature. In the great Renaissance time, it is the artists who reveal the glory of the mundane world, and set free the people who lived in a gloomy middle age world for a long time. Hamlet, the representative of the human beings, claims that the man is superior to the God in some sense. in that era, the most famous artist, such as Mechelangelo, Rapheal,etc, has created a lot of great characters to incite the proud of human being.

in sum, it is a hasty generalization to say that the main function of the science is to reassure and the art is to upset. Both the two achievements of human being can reassure us and to upset us, and any arbitrary distinguish of them will mislead us.

needle 发表于 2004-4-7 11:48:21

最初由 发呆的小熊 发布
我觉得现在的问题在于大家如何理解UPSET的问题。这个词我也犹豫的好久,但我觉得应该不是起颠覆的意思,这个大家再讨论吧。但即使理解成颠覆是对的,这一段也有些跑题,哲学不能算是科学吧!干嘛提哲学呀?



谢谢小熊。不过,哲学怎么不算科学呢?讨论哲学就是全面考虑科学的不同情况,有invention的和没有invention的.....跑题?不至于吧?怎么个跑法?我感觉这一段是在围绕着TS分情况举例子说science的其他function啊!

再讨论。

发呆的小熊 发表于 2004-4-7 12:30:47

呵呵,首先我还要坚持‘哲学不能算是科学’,哲学属于人文学科,即humanity,虽然我们常说社会科学,人文科学,我觉得并不能简单地说它们是科学。这里的SCIENCE我理解还主要指自然科学。
其次,是你对于REASSURE的理解我还没有搞清楚。我觉得应该是‘使人安心’,也即科学的发展使人类对于生存有了更大的确定感,所以得到了“REASSURANCE”,那你所谓的“创新”其实只是科学的此一功能的途径而已,是不合适单列出来和REASSURE对等谈的。
第三,我觉得UPSET的意思应当是和REASSURE对等的,即“使人沮丧的,使人不安的,使人对于生存感到迷茫的”等等意思吧。

呵呵,个人意见。

lovebrian 发表于 2004-4-7 12:33:11

最初由 发呆的小熊 发布
呵呵,首先我还要坚持‘哲学不能算是科学’,哲学属于人文学科,即humanity,虽然我们常说社会科学,人文科学,我觉得并不能简单地说它们是科学。这里的SCI..

以下省略......
我这去模考的回来说两句~~~

philosophy不在科学范畴吗?
那我们理工科学生读得是什么?PhD啊~~~GG! :o

kavent 发表于 2004-4-7 13:22:35

唉,我现在看到N都题目,都没有思路,
回来再看看。

needle 发表于 2004-4-7 14:09:43

最初由 发呆的小熊 发布
呵呵,首先我还要坚持‘哲学不能算是科学’,哲学属于人文学科,即humanity,虽然我们常说社会科学,人文科学,我觉得并不能简单地说它们是科学。这里的SCIENCE我理解还主要指自然科学。
其次,是你对于REASSURE的理解我还没有搞清楚。我觉得应该是‘使人安心’,也即科学的发展使人类对于生存有了更大的确定感,所以得到了“REASSURANCE”,那你所谓的“创新”其实只是科学的此一功能的途径而已,是不合适单列出来和REASSURE对等谈的。
第三,我觉得UPSET的意思应当是和REASSURE对等的,即“使人沮丧的,使人不安的,使人对于生存感到迷茫的”等等意思吧。

呵呵,个人意见。

看到你对reassure和upset的解释,感觉耳目一新。但是,这两个词都是多义的,而不仅仅是你解释的。reassure除了表示“使安心“,还可以表示“消除疑惑“.不过我觉得你从“使放心”这个角度想,很有道理。但是,upset在这里能作为“使沮丧”吗?“艺术的目的就是叫人难受”????我不太相信ETS出题的本意是这个。

创新的确只是科学的另一个功能。问题在于topic把科学的功能限定在了reassure(我理解为“解惑”),那么只要我提出自己的观点并证明科学还有别的功能就算驳倒了topic.

科学,本身就是知识的汇总和综合(或者说某一类的),哲学当然算作科学。如果指自然科学应当作出起限定才是,而不应该想当然。

reassure的理解很发人深省。

catcat000 发表于 2004-4-7 14:25:46

偶觉得这道题想写出来倒不是很难,但是就是大家很容易都写成一样的,观点很难出彩,痛苦ING,那篇范文的写作简直太PP了,一气呵成的感觉,没有什么很晦涩的句子,也被选进了E-BOOK的,唉,牛JJ啊……

小豚 发表于 2004-4-7 17:35:21

NEEDLE,我先考下来,一定看,(不好意思的说,昨天爸爸急急忙忙的跑到学校来找到我,说建议我考10G, 妈妈也是这个意思,主要是最近很重要的专业课考试太多,他们觉得这样对GPA影响太大,后来,我想了一阵子,---取消了。决定好好考10G。不过,最近的作文准备让我知道了备考的方向。不过8月还要考TOFEL,所以马上还要去上新东方,我对TOFEL还不了解。半年内有的一拼拉。不过我3个月以后就要靠作文了,所以还会经常上来练笔。) 说了这么多,但愿没有给你带来消极的影响。我会和你们一起加油!没有退路了!
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