issue80 学习自然科学

yuemingjushi

80. "All students should be required to take courses in the sciences, even if they have no interest in science."


阅读提示：
1，  自然科学可以让我们从更高层次理解世界。
2，  自然科学的方法论使其它学科受启发。
3，  文史类研究也很大程度上从自然科学中受益。
4，  不可否认，一些学生对自然科学有反感，但这种反感会逐渐消失。
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I strongly suggest that all of us take courses in sciences, because we can benefit a lot from the study of sciences. From studying sciences, we can perceive things on a higher level, as well as obtaining useful methodologies which can necessarily help us pursue our individual interests even there are people who do not like sciences.

To begin with, I would like to emphasis that studying sciences helps us comprehend the world in a deeper and more comprehensive manner. Technology innovations, as fruit of the development, or explode which we may say, of sciences, have pervaded into nearly every aspects of our quotidian life. In order to master our life and adapt to daily life more effectively, people should be taught the basic achievements of sciences. We have to master the use of computers, which would possibly be a basic skill to survive in the future. Without knowledge of physics, one is less likely to understand the significant phenomenon around him or her thus inefficiently enjoy the colorful life. In short, the accomplishments of science benefit us a lot in our everyday life.

Secondly, we can benefit a lot from not only the accomplishment of sciences, but also the methodologies of sciences. Many experts have pointed out that one of the most considerable things people can gain from a certain discipline is its methodology. From the methodology, we understand ways of critical and original thinking, which could than enlighten us to investigate other problems with similar ideology and methods. And referring to human history, one can wonderfully discover that it is methodology that propel the development of various disciplines thus push the history forward. Take the famous Italy artist Vinci for example, he had successfully applied theories of science subjects to the creating of artistically works and achieved immortal fame. As a result, methodology is another significant thing we can obtain from the study of sciences.

Additionally, even for those who major in social subjects, studying sciences can benefit them a lot. Considering the fact that nearly every discipline today calls for knowledge and experience of outsiders, we can find lots of such examples. Anthropologists, who always investigate into the cultures of different people, desire for the knowledge of technology in order to understand the science achievement of those people. Another more concrete example involves archaeology, in which modern chemical knowledge are largely introduced to help Archaeologists know more detailed information of ancient remaining they have excavated. Besides, in order to compose attractive detective fictions, some recent novelists often refer to sciences.

Admittedly, there is a considerable number of students hate the study of sciences, because it is science subjects that contribute to so many failures in examinations. I concede it is true. However, on the other hand, perhaps it is the fact that they do not get an entirely comprehension of the impact of science and consider it irrelevant with their life. Such suspicions can be effectively disabused if they continue to study hard on the science subjects. And as soon as they become more and more aware of the bearings of sciences, their interest may arouse. At that time, fewer complaints would appear.

To draw a conclusion, I agree with the speaker's assertion that all students should be taught the knowledge of sciences, since sciences are of great importance both in daily lives and in future, and sciences can actually enhance the study in their own majors.

iamshenglong

I strongly suggest that all of us take courses in sciences, because we can benefit a lot from the study of sciences. From studying sciences, we can perceive things on a higher level(好的观点), as well as obtaining useful methodologies which can necessarily help us pursue our individual interests even there are people who do not like sciences.To begin with, I would like to emphasis that studying sciences helps us comprehend（为了不与后面重复，改为know, understand?） the world in a deeper and more comprehensive manner. Technology (technological) innovations, as fruit of the development, or explode which we may say, of sciences, have pervaded into nearly every aspects of our quotidian life. In order to master our life and adapt to daily life more effectively, people should be taught the basic achievements of sciences. We have to master the use of computers, which would possibly be a basic skill to survive in the future. Without knowledge of physics, one is less likely to understand the significant phenomenon around him or her thus inefficiently enjoy the colorful life. In short, the accomplishments of science benefit us a lot in our everyday life.Secondly, we can benefit a lot from not only the accomplishment of sciences, but also the methodologies of sciences. Many experts have pointed out that one of the most considerable things people can gain from a certain discipline is its methodology. From the methodology, we understand ways of critical and original thinking, which could than enlighten us to investigate other problems with similar ideology and methods. And referring to human history, one can wonderfully discover that it is methodology that propel the development of various disciplines thus push the history forward. Take the famous Italy artist Vinci for example, he had successfully applied theories of science subjects to the creating of artistically works and achieved immortal fame. As a result, methodology is another significant thing we can obtain from the study of sciences.(这段话，使我有耳目一新的感觉，挑不出毛病来)Additionally, even for those who major in social subjects, studying sciences can benefit them a lot. Considering the fact that nearly every discipline today calls for knowledge and experience of outsiders, we can find lots of such examples. Anthropologists, who always investigate into the cultures of different people, desire for the knowledge of technology in order to understand the science achievement of those people. Another more concrete example involves archaeology, in which modern chemical knowledge are largely introduced to help Archaeologists know more detailed information of ancient remaining they have excavated. Besides, in order to compose attractive detective fictions, some recent novelists often refer to sciences.Admittedly, there is a considerable number of students hate the study of sciences, because it is science subjects that contribute to so many failures in examinations. I concede it is true. However, on the other hand, perhaps it is the fact that they do not get an entirely comprehension of the impact of science and consider it irrelevant with their life. Such suspicions can be effectively disabused if they continue to study hard on the science subjects. And as soon as they become more and more aware of the bearings of sciences, their interest may arouse. At that time, fewer complaints would appear.To draw a conclusion, I agree with the speaker's assertion that all students should be taught the knowledge of sciences, since sciences are of great importance both in daily lives and in future, and sciences can actually enhance the study in their own majors.
这真是一篇好文章，举的例子到位，论理也很充分，尤其是Methodology那一段，很深刻
其实我对这个science 的理解有点看法，是指理科呢？ 还是指自然科学呢？ 要是指自然科学的话，那可说的就多了，上到天文，下到地理 生物都是自然科学
可天文学和地理不属于理科对吧？
希望能讨论一下这个方面，谢谢
还有，我个人觉得，三个说理段可放在一块，重火力支持自然科学
然后转到有人不喜欢自然科学，然后提出教育者应该怎么做，不能机械式地强迫学生学习自然科学，应该激发他们的兴趣，你觉得图和呢？
我很喜欢这篇文章，楼主水平真高

yuemingjushi

Thank you for your reading.

According to dictionary, 'science courses' refer to courses like maths, physics, chemistry, astronomy and so on, and they are different from sciences. The concept 'science' includes a broad field.

Although you have praised my issue, I still think there are lots of problem remaining in it.

And I think you could send me your exercises.

[ 本帖最后由 yuemingjushi 于 2008-3-28 14:15 编辑 ]

iamshenglong

如果是指自然科学的话，那可写的范围就广了。
下面是我的习作， issue 104 望改一下
A culture has its likes and dislikes, it is natural that it has the trend to preserve the aspect it favors and discard the aspect it dislikes. Formal education has played a important part in this trend, but in my point of view, formal education should not and can not be the primary part to promote this formation.
Admittedly, formal education plays an important role to preserve the likes of culture and discard its dislikes. There is un denying that most people have the opportunity to be educated, especially go to school, it means that most people can experience what the formal education teach them, including the cultural favors and dislikes. On the other hand, formal education has the obligation to transmit the cultural to the students. Since students are mostly young, and they receive formal education at a very early age, they have not yet form the mature perspectives about the world and themselves, if formal education instill them with the truth, kindness, and the beauty of the world, it can be very helpful to the students to have a healthy view on the world. In this sense, formal education is very important for the development of both students and the cultures.
However, formal education should not be the primary power to hold what it likes and discredit what it dislikes. There are three good reasons to support my point of view:
Firstly, it is hard to define what a culture likes or what it hates, sometimes this definition can be changeable as what one day it favors is the dislikes several years later. On the other hand, formal education is just a little part of one’s life time, even one’s education time. After they graduate, formal education is a vacuum, how could it influence students to receive the likes and discard the dislikes of culture. When they grew old, they find that what they have taught is different from the reality, it may make the students confused. Secondly, on the education level, it is opposite to the purpose of education. The most important function of education is to teach students to think, to strive, to question, a rigid instill of knowledge may also result in a rigid mind, it is detrimental to the healthily development of students. Thirdly, when some unkind groups or political power realize the importance of formal education, it can be used as a tool of their ill intention. This example is not rare, when Japanese conquered a district of China, the most urgent they did is to reform the formal education system, they imbued little Chinese students with the colonization culture, thus in attempt to resist Chinese revolution against the Japanese army. This example can be seen in modern time that the culture likes and dislikes are imposed on the students like that the Islamic religious extremist instill their hatred to the Islamic world, thus we can see how profoundly it has influenced, a quite number of body bombers are children, they commit suicide when they are not old enough to realize what the world is like.
Moreover, the formal education can not be primary part to transmit the favors and fears of a culture, especially in the modern time. There are many good ways to receive the culture. Whether one is willing or not, they are experiencing the culture atmosphere the moment they were born. As one is a little child, his parents can tell them about the culture, when they graduate from school, they go to work and have connections with all kinds of people, who of course have very important influence on their attitudes toward culture. The fast development of technology has also provided students with computers and other modern equipments to know the other culture, as the globalization has fasted its pace, this experience has become more frequent. It is unrealistic to totally the culture the formal education has taught, students may hold a skeptic view toward the culture likes and dislikes.
In conclusion, formal education is a important role to perpetuate the cultural likes and dislikes, but it should not be and can not be the primary course to the cultural experience.
限时没成功，用了54分钟，但也不错了，从来都没逼过自己单独写文章，让我们共勉吧，你有作文的话·····

yuemingjushi

亮点：

1，文化的价值观不是恒定不变的，这个观点很好。如果能举出具体例子就更好了，建议去找历史的例子。

2，教育本身的目的不是灌输文化的价值观，这个角度也很好。

问题：

1，语法问题较多，尤其要注意：一个带句号的句子中只能有一个主句，或者几个独立句子用and之类的连词连接，而你的文章中多次出现把几个独立的句子用逗号隔开（蓝色）。

2，建议将admittedly那一段放在所有你支持的观点的后面，这符合美国人的阅读习惯和思维方式。

3，secondly那一段没有充分展开，ets强调观点要充分展开。而且你没有解释为什么灌输文化就是rigid instill，因为文化本身是博大精深的。

4，thirdly那一段的例子我觉得不恰当，那不叫’formal education’。

5，结尾写得过于草率。

6，建议刚开始写时还是多参考北美范文和新东方的东西，尤其是文章结构。熟练之后再写得自由些。

补充：1，以后最好把题目也贴出来。2，可以自己开一个帖，再把连接给我，这样也方便其他人看

A culture has its likes and dislikes, it is natural that it has the trend (tends) to preserve the aspect it favors and discard the aspect it dislikes. Formal education has played a important part in this trend, but in my point of view, formal education should not and can not（重复） be the primary part to promote this formation.

Admittedly, formal education plays an important role to preserve the likes of culture and discard its dislikes. There is un denying that most people have the opportunity to be educated, especially go to school, it means that most people can experience what the formal education teach them, including the cultural favors and dislikes. On the other hand, formal education has the obligation to transmit the cultural (culture) to the students. Since students are mostly young (since most students are young), and they receive formal education at a very early age, they have not yet form the mature perspectives about the world and themselves, if formal education instill them with the truth, kindness, and the beauty of the world, it can be very helpful to the students to have a healthy view on the world. In this sense, formal education is very important for the development of both students and the cultures.

However, formal education should not be the primary power to hold what it likes and discredit what it dislikes. There are three good reasons to support my point of view:

Firstly, it is hard to define what a culture likes or what it hates (hates), sometimes this definition can be changeable as what one day it favors is the dislikes several years later (我理解你的意思，但是话没说通顺). On the other hand, formal education is just a little part of one’s life time（删）, even one’s education time. After they graduate, formal education is a vacuum（啥意思？）, how could it influence students to receive (receiving) the likes and discard the dislikes of culture. When they grew (grow) old, they (would) find that what they have (been) taught is different from the reality, it may make the students confused.

Secondly, on the education level, it is opposite to the purpose of education. The most important function of education is to teach students (how) to think, to strive, to (和前面那个to一起删掉) question, a rigid instill of knowledge may also result in a rigid mind, it is detrimental to the healthily development of students.

Thirdly, when some unkind groups or political power realize the importance of formal education, it can be used as a tool of their ill intention. This example is not rare, when Japanese conquered a district of China, the most urgent (thing) they did is（过去时） to reform the formal education system, they imbued little（young） Chinese students with the colonization culture, thus in attempt to resist Chinese revolution against the Japanese army. This example can be seen in modern time that the culture likes and dislikes are imposed on the students like that the Islamic religious extremist instill their hatred to the Islamic world, thus we can see how profoundly it has influenced, a quite number of body bombers（我不确定你的这种说法正确与否，建议去英文报纸中查一下） are children, they commit suicide when they are not old enough to realize what the world is like.

Moreover, the formal education can not be primary part to transmit the favors and fears of a culture, especially in the modern time. There are many good ways to receive the culture. Whether one is willing or not, they are experiencing the culture atmosphere the moment they were born. As one is a little child, his parents can tell them about the culture, when they graduate from school, they go to work and have connections with all kinds of people, who of course have very important influence on their attitudes toward culture. The fast development of technology has also provided students with computers and other modern equipments to know the other culture, as the globalization has fasted its pace, this experience has become more frequent. It is unrealistic to totally the culture the formal education has taught（不明白意思）, students may hold a skeptic view toward the culture’s likes and dislikes.

In conclusion, formal education is an important role to perpetuate the cultural likes and dislikes, but it should not be and can not be the primary course to the cultural experience.

[ 本帖最后由 yuemingjushi 于 2008-3-29 13:30 编辑 ]

iamshenglong

首先虚心接受你的意见。
今天第一次单独写作文，所以有点飘忽，只想赶着时间限定的时候写完，所以结尾有点草率。
语句没改就拿上来了，见谅。
我个人觉得那个日本和伊斯兰那段没有偏题，学校不就是灌输那个的地方吗？就像现在的中国，灌输思想什么的。而且他们的确是在学校这样的地方影响着小孩的价值观，也就是所谓的正统思想，而社会上就会有不同的文化观念的。
rigid learning 的确没展开，因为不知如何去展开。
body bomber 写错了，应该是body bomb，查了google去写的，还是写错了，哎
我就是想把作文写成经典三段式，所以不知道如何改结构了，结构一改，全盘皆乱啊

http://bbs.gter.net/bbs/thread-818307-1-1.html (这是版主对提纲的评价)

http://bbs.gter.net/bbs/viewthre ... amp;extra=page%3D1(今天又写了一篇，知道是什么问题，但是不知道怎么改正，哎)