KK来验看，有关德国法系的“名次”

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首先声明偶对大陆法系并不了解啊。。。不过今天逛了一下，看到几个有关德国的排名不是很舒服。贴一个CHE（欧盟大学评价组）的调查报告
此机构在09年以前一直做德语区（德国，瑞士，奥地利）一带的大学评价，现在受欧盟官方委托主导一个全大学排名系统的调查。他的特点是比较客观，也不用简单的总分（你知道大学食堂什么的也算总分）来比较大学，在欧陆这个排名被认为是针对比较专业的人来选校的。仅供大家参考。
当然排名不是唯一的因素，大学的各种资源的调查也不是唯一因素，要我说的话柏林洪堡，柏林自由，科隆大学，康斯坦茨大学，慕尼黑大学，马尔堡大学一类文理性Uni还是首选，因为树大根深的关系（康斯坦茨大学除外，这学校虽然新但是声誉良好，是07年政府所凭9所精英大学之一）。
扯一句，欧陆的学校其实很偏向于college，底子上并不是以英美流行的university为立校目标，就是说学校规模和专业学科门数可能不多，但专于某方面。（以中科院院长的母校亚琛工大为例，其总分从未进入前十，但工学排名几乎年年第一，不止是排名，业界也是这么看的）所以说决不能迷信总排名，那个意义不大，反映不出事情的真相，恩。
希望有所帮助吧。
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沙发一些信息吧，有兴趣的可以看看。
Law/Business Law
By Stephan Zimprich

What does the course cover?
A law course involves lectures, tutorials and seminars which teach the basics of core legal areas (civil law, criminal law, public law). The aim of the teaching continues to be to give students "the qualification to be a magistrate", even if less than five per cent of graduates now go into state service these days. The course primarily consists of content that will prepare students for working as lawyers. Course content such as reasoning, speaking and basic business studies have become a compulsory part of the course only recently. So some students study subsidiary subjects that match their job aspirations, such as business studies. Law students learn how to apply the law primarily through practical case studies which they resolve through term papers or exams. Lawyers are primarily analysts. They break down the factual content of issues such as theft, car accidents, disputes over rent and building applications into ever smaller, logical parts and subsume them under the appropriate laws. It becomes difficult when individual theories are in conflict - there is then a dominant opinion and a minority opinion. The student has to deliver an expert paper that decides for one of the sides, and explain their choice as best they can. The different angles of a problem need to be identified, analysed and assessed.


What is the structure of the course?
The career path to becoming a lawyer is divided into two phases. First comes the (at least) eight-semester course at a university concluding in the first state exam. Then comes the two-year "induction for article clerks". Since the 2002 reform of law training, the educational curriculum is structured in a very similar way at all the universities throughout the federal states. All students must get a basic and advance credit, each consisting of a research paper and a written exam, in each of the three core areas. Then there is a university exam in an optional special subject (for example, international law, environmental law or employment and insurance law), which feeds into the exam grade. Two placements, plus a foreign language qualification specific to the subject, are also required. This will usually be English or French, but Italian and Spanish are also offered.

Legal issues play an important role in business decision-making. The Business Law course, offered by a number of universities of applied sciences, reflects this. Students cover the most important fields of business studies and economics, and the legal fields which most concern companies. These include, for example, employment law and commercial and company law. Later on they spend time working in companies‘ legal departments, but mainly in a commercial role. Their legal knowledge helps them to identify in advance many potential legal conflicts which can result from business decisions. Graduates from universities of applied sciences cannot work as a lawyer or magistrate.


New developments in this subject
Legal training was reformed in 2002. The main innovation is a so-called special subject area, for which students need to provide a piece of work during their course which is assessed by the university and is worth 30 per cent of their final exam grade. Another novelty is the requirement to study a foreign language related to the subject, which is intended to promote the international character of the course.

Currently 15 of the 42 law faculties are also offering their own BA, MA or Diplom courses. Masters programmes exist mainly as postgraduate courses in individual areas of law (business law, environmental law, criminology). Students who do the Bachelor or Diplom cannot, even if they add on a Masters afterwards, go into one of the regulated legal careers such as magistrate, lawyer or public prosecutor.


Aptitude, Obstacles and Errors
Studying law is very demanding in terms of the workload. Students should not have a book phobia. Someone who considers themselves a disciplined, well-organised and persevering person is in good hands amongst legal experts. There is very little compulsory attendance on law courses. Particularly at the larger faculties, students get by with little contact to teaching staff, and they depend on their own motivation when it comes to exam preparation. It does no harm to enjoy logical thinking and working with very abstract jargon. In intellectual terms, courses do not make above-average demands ? you do not have to be a genius to do well in the exams. The main difficulty lies in the sheer quantity of material that can be tested in the exam ? 12 to 18 months of intensive cramming are common prior to the first exam.

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嚴重懷疑這個排名所用的methodolgy是否恰當……

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嚴重懷疑這個排名所用的methodolgy是否恰當……
ＫＫ 发表于 2010-5-10 08:48

ls错别字？方法上有何不妥？

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較為正常的排名需要考慮更多因素吧，比如畢業生出路、年度研究水平、peer review之類的。

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中国人读了能当律师吗

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中国人读了能当律师吗
狐狸大叔 发表于 2010-5-11 05:43

能，但要和德國人一樣，在第三年及第五年考他們的全國考試。

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能，但要和德國人一樣，在第三年及第五年考他們的全國考試。
ＫＫ 发表于 2010-5-11 11:13

一般都是本科完后去读硕博的。

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較為正常的排名需要考慮更多因素吧，比如畢業生出路、年度研究水平、peer review之類的。
ＫＫ 发表于 2010-5-11 04:01

除第一个有写吧？关于第一个第三方（一般是业界）的资金支持可以说明一些问题。

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能，但要和德國人一樣，在第三年及第五年考他們的全國考試。
ＫＫ 发表于 2010-5-11 11:13

听说不是德国的司法考试很难吗，国人过去的没几个能够过基本都回来了。。。

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其实在德国，所谓的大学排名或者专业排名都是不准确的，因为德国不奉行精英教育（貌似这两年开始了），他们的Universitaet和Fachhochschule都是国家办的，不存在资金分配不均的情况，几乎所有的学校的教学师资都是很平衡的。如果真要有什么排名，可能真的只能在藏书还有名人上面有所体现了。
德国的司法考试，不说了……

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其实学校区别还是很大的、、、

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其实学校区别还是很大的、、、
darkathrun 发表于 2010-8-29 21:29

这样啊，那我就不是很清楚了。我所知道的是我一个在德国待了四年拿到PHD的老师讲的。可能他的意思是比中国或者美国的差距小吧。因为在德国最后通过司法考试的基本上比例不会像别的国家那么大，不是说海德堡，柏林洪堡那些通过的人就要多一些，而是相对来说差距很小。

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国人过德国国考的，现在有一些了,而且未来会有更多人的去考。不过主流还是读博。