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发表于 2018-2-16 00:28:48 |显示全部楼层
cheesechan 发表于 2018-2-15 13:39
A statistics master is also fine...i will put it slightly after a economics one.

In a good ec ...

As far as I know, speaking as an economics student, economics programs normally offer no finance courses except for microeconomics theory and monetary economics. So actually holding a degree in economics does not put much weight on training in finance fields. In that sense, economics masters have similar effects as statistics masters. However, a good grade in statistics is relatively harder than that in economics. So a good grade statistics master sends a stronger signal than an equally good grade economics master. To compensate for the lack of background in finance, minoring in finance is a good choice; or a bachelor degree in finance is also good enough.

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groverlynn 发表于 2018-2-15 16:55
这个的确是public info,但是很多申请人根本不会去search for such info。更根本上来说,很多人在寻找跳板 ...

作為有志做研究的人, 連這個也不懂search的, 活該倒霉.

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groverlynn 发表于 2018-2-15 17:28

As far as I know, speaking as an economics student, economics programs normally offer no finance courses except for microeconomics theory and monetary economics.


[I disagree with this assumption, and thus all the conclusions based on that.]

this is simple not true for many economics master. Let me name a few pair of examples:
(most school have monetary econ, which i dont really consider it as finance (asset pricing & corporate finance), i am not going to list that.)

Toronto vs UBC MA Econ:
You can have Financial Econ I and II, seems also Financial Econometrics in Toronto, but not such choice in UBC econ (since the research interest of faculty)

LSE vs UCL MS Econ:
you can take Asset market and corporate fina as core electives, while you dont have much choice in finance in UCL.

Oxford MPhil Econ:
You can take Financial Economics 1 and 2, (and adv econometrics 1 and 2) as elective in their 2nd year

Cambridge MPhil Econ:
you have things like Corporate Finance, Asset Pricing, Empirical Finance as elective modules.

Tinbergen, CEMFI MPhil:
I guess I can skip that. bascially it is a MPhil in Econ and Fina, you have everything there.

I can name a lot more........e.g. even TSE can have asset pricing and empirical fina as elective (just they are not strong in that relatively), Bonn, Goethe, HSG, NYU MA Econ (is applied somehow, but there are quite some courses and researcher that doing financial economics), ......ai......i am not going to name further more as I have things to do.......

What i can say is: don't draw conclusion based on one (own) school's structure.

As I said, if you want to do finance PhD after economics master, you have to go to the right school (just like who is interested in any sub-field of econ). As far as my research about the econ master structure tells me, there are approximate around half of them allowing so. And according to the result of my global research on the structure of a master in financial mathematics and/or statistics, nearly none of them will teach any amount micro econ theory and asset pricing (being too theoretical for QF, irrelevant for Stat).

(If you are talking about a bachelor in economics, that another story. Bachelor is much longer, and one can afford to have both math/stat and econ. just take both, done.)


Concerning difficulties.......well:
1. mathematical difficulties is not the only thing. It is important, but knowing about the research (you are interested in) maybe even more. else they just take all student from a pure math / theoretical phy program
2. thats why things like quantitative econ and econometrics are viewed as the best for PhD preparation in econ and fina. You know the econ theory behind, you get rigorous training in mathematical modeling and statistics. It is difficult enough, while being in the field at the same time. A good balance between both.

groverlynn 发表于 2018-2-15 17:28

To compensate for the lack of background in finance, minoring in finance is a good choice; or a bachelor degree in finance is also good enough.

I will say this is quite a........horrible advise.
Bachelor有時間的, double major math/stat + econ更好, 用不著浪費時間minor finance. 要不也就是一個intro to corp fina (IRR, NPV那堆), 再加一個investment and portfolio management的course 就搞定(bodie).
其他的水課選來是浪費生命. 其實照我說這兩三門(maybe another one in financial acconting)也不一定用得著: bachelor自選考CFA lv 1 就是了.

a bachelor in finance alone 就更加慘烈: 很多時候連intermediate micro, macro, time series之類都沒有, 別說academic master in stat / master in econ, 連research master in finance都申不了..........

你這是坑人的嗎....?

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cheesechan 发表于 2018-2-15 17:16
那個是因為香港大多數的taught master都是一年短平快, 用來圈錢的居多
本質是在英制的教育系統下, 找工 ...

其实我想说的是在申请phd方面;P
找工作的话,其实bachelor的学校和program更重要吧?

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groverlynn 发表于 2018-2-15 17:33
其实我想说的是在申请phd方面
找工作的话,其实bachelor的学校和program更重要吧?

:L 那是的....
我那帖回的是說找工作的帖...........所以我默認是在講找工作了.

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现在能感受到数学和Econ得同时强了,谢谢前辈们的提醒。我会考虑statistic master,也会再评估已申请经济项目的数学课设置

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sago00 发表于 2018-2-16 07:01
现在能感受到数学和Econ得同时强了,谢谢前辈们的提醒。我会考虑statistic master,也会再评估已申请经济项 ...


if you have a bachelor in math/stat, you dont really need much more stat for macro (tons of econometrics class will be enough)
if you dont have a major in that.....you won't get admitted by any solid stat master.

so........I will suggest you spend more time on re-evaluate the econometrics course availability in the programs you applied.

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cheesechan 发表于 2018-2-15 17:30
this is simple not true for many economics master. Let me name a few pair of examples:
(mos ...

你說的是哪家坑爹的fin bachelor的項目,連intermediate micro都不用修的啊?

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cheesechan 发表于 2018-2-16 18:48
if you have a bachelor in math/stat, you dont really need much more stat for macro (tons of econ ...

嗯嗯,我没有数学学士学位,不知道哥大统计硕士hybrid有没有可能。。。我知道不是hybrid应该没有可能

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groverlynn 发表于 2018-2-16 14:06
你說的是哪家坑爹的fin bachelor的項目,連intermediate micro都不用修的啊?


(從 advanced study / research preparation 角度看)差不多每家的fina bachelor都是坑爹的........所以我才說你講這個是坑人.....

其實本身bachelor in finance就是給想之後直接找工作的人讀的, 你叫他們讀這堆理論才叫坑........所以很多時候直接叫BBA/BCom...
要讀theory的, 這叫阻著他們找part-time, 找實習, and etc....
(要讀這麼數理的, 也是去讀多點stat, 弄些甚麼quant fina實際多了....)

真有心去做research的, bachelor理論上該讀Econ&Fina,
但是Econ & Fina 的問題是數學太少, 所以不夠, 於是便是該讀math/stat & econ了.
為甚麼是math/stat+econ不是 math/stat+fina? 那是因為bachelor level的finance course太淺了. 讀來簡直是浪費人生, econ major順手選一兩個fina course 做major elective或者free course都很足夠了.
(那math/stat + fina用來搞甚麼? 那是最好用來搞quantiative finance.......當然, 要是搞那個的去弄個CS as 2nd major/minor比上fina的水課實用多了......)





例子? 如下:
McGill
https://www.mcgill.ca/desautels/ ... tion/majors/finance
UBC:
http://www.sauder.ubc.ca/Program ... am_Overview/Finance
CUHK, HKUST BBA Fina, NUS, NTU
http://www.bm.ust.hk/fina/programs/bba-in-finance/curriculum
http://bba.nus.edu/academic-programmes/bba-programme/curriculum
http://www.nbs.ntu.edu.sg/Resear ... .aspx#BAFCurriculum
這堆都是沒有的.......

Toronto 的, 還有HKU, HKUST的Fina都是得和Econ一起major. (that's why I said E & F are much closer related)

LSE倒是必需in micro. (我找到的唯一例外)
英國其他top的根本不開stand alone的finance bachelor. 有的都是必須拉著econ, 或者math or stat來一起讀的 (e.g. IC, UCL, Warwick)

US的話, top的那堆很多根本沒有stand alone business or finance的major. 大家都是去讀math/stat/econ再上去的........(甚麼叫很多? 就是M7的就只一間有stand alone UG bachelor major, S16的那堆沒記錯的話有三間.)
隨便搜了搜, 目測都是止於intro level 的econ的.
UCB:
http://haas.berkeley.edu/Undergr ... ents_for_degree.pdf
Virginia:
https://www.commerce.virginia.ed ... ce/academic-program
Wharton:
https://undergrad-inside.wharton.upenn.edu/requirements-2017/
Sloan的必須連著math 來major, 算是mathematical finance的major好了.

北大的似乎也是:
http://english.gsm.pku.edu.cn/re ... 709010924415532.pdf
清華的則必須econ和fina一起讀.........
http://ug.sem.tsinghua.edu.cn/se ... 21/wzuthn14q6k3.pdf

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