(Step3.1)5年/7年/更久后, 你会是什么样的人？(placement of Chinese econ phd)
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中介转载不付费的话，祝你们公司上下有多少户口本死多少本。
感谢以下学校的placement原始信息。
以后你想成为什么样的人？
现在还有机会思考或者yy。。
不过呢。。如果你想继续phd。。并且。。是在一些10～50之间的phd项目度过5年或者更多。。那么以下也许是个不错的信息。。用来估计以后会是什么样的日子。。而不是去畅想。
当然。。也许你想找个跳板继续申请phd。。于是luckily。。这个list里的学校基本属于大多数跳板。。即使说某些号称极好的跳板。。最多能保证你的学校层次。。所以。。对你来说。。也是个参考。。
永远不要想着自己是个例外。。只要搜一下这些人的背景你就会发现。。要有例外。。他们中的大多数应该比你更容易遇到例外。。
这几个学校的placement都不是最全的。。应该还有一些没有被place的人。。但是几乎包括了所有US news上10～50区间的、公布placement的、并且是按照人名+就业单位来公布的信息。。
UMD(2005~2011)
Qian Rong "World Bank, Young Professionals Program"
Zhang Jing Renmin University
Hu, Bingjie BBVA - Hong Kong
Tang, Li Inter-American Development Bank
Wu, Dong International Monetary Fund
Chen, Yan Bates White
Ding, Li AVITAS, Inc
Jiang, Yi Asian Development Bank
Li, Lixing China Center for Economic Research at Beijing University
Qi, Zhikun Fannie Mae
Wu, Xiaoyu Central University of Finance and Economics
Bi, Ran International Monetary Fund
Hu, Xiaohan Mercer Human Resources Consulting
Zhang, Ye Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis
Gong, Binglin Shanghai Jiao Tong University
Pang, Gaobo Watson Wyatt
Wei, Heng PricewaterhouseCoopers
Cao, Menglin Fannie Mae
Ouyang, Min University of California, Irvine
UCLA(2011~1999)
Hong Feng Southwestern University of Finance and Economics, China, Assistant Professor
Hao Shi Shanghai Jiaotong University, Assistant Professor
Yuanyan (Sophia) Zhang International Monetary Fund, EP Program, Economist
Se Yan Guanghua School of Management, Peking University, China, Assistant Professor
Chunming Yuan University of Maryland, Baltimore, Assistant Professor
Viola Chen Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC, Economist
Xiaoyan Shirley Lei China Center for Economic Research, Peking University, Assistant Professor
Wanchuan Lin Department of Applied Economics, Guanghua School of Management, Peking University, Assistant Professor
Bing Ma Department of Economics, University of Maryland, Assistant Professor
Yi Zhang Department School of Economics, Singapore Management University, Assistant Professor
Jia Luo Lincoln Funds International, Inc., Senior Quantitative Analyst of Investments
Peilan Zhou Citadel Investment Group, LLC, Quantitative Researcher
Lijun Tian Shenzhen Business School, Beijing University, Assistant Professor
Lijun Tian Ernst & Young, New York, Consultant
Ming Li Department of Finance, College of Business, San Francisco State University, Assistant Professor
Xiang (Thomas) Tang Economics Department, Peking University, China, Assistant Professor
Chuling Chen Investments & Capital Market Division, Modeling & Research Dept., Federal Home Loan Mortage Corp., Consultant
Mo Xiao Iowa State University, Ames, Department of Economics, Assistant Professor
Qiao Liu School of Economics and Finance, University of Hong Kong, Assistant Professor
Yuan Gao Arthur Andersen, Los Angeles, Consultant
UCDavis(2011~2000)
CHEN Yi Sep 11 Peking University Assistant Professor
LI Zhiyuan Sep 10 Shanghai University of Finance and Economics Assistant Professor
HU Weijun Sep 10 China International Capital Corporation (Hong Kong) Economist
GUO Meixin Sep 10 Tsinghua University Assistant Professor
FENG Ling Sep 10 Shanghai University of Finance and Economics Assistant Professor
CHONG Yanping Jun 10 Winona State University Assistant Professor
Ma Hong Sep 09 Tsinghua University Assistant Professor
Xu Yuan Sep 09 Tsinghua University Assistant Professor
DU Juan Sep 08 College of New Jersey Visiting Assistant Professor
WANG Chun Sep 08 CUNY Brooklyn Assistant Professor
XU Yingying Jun 08 Manufacturers Alliance, Arlington, VA Economist
TONG Jing Sep 07 Risk Management Solutions Catastrophe Risk Modeler
PAN Huiran Sep 07 Oklahoma State University at Stillwater Assistant Professor
CHEN Huiya (Grace) Sep 06 Reed College Visiting Assistant Professor
HONG Chang Jun 06 International Monetary Fund, Washington, DC Research Officer
YU Miaojie Jun 05 University of Hong Kong Visiting Assistant Professor
LIN Songhua Sep 02 Denison University Assistant Professor
Rice University(1994~2008)
Dr. Weiyu Gao 1999 Shanghai Economic Development Research Center
Dr. Junhui Qian 2007 Shanghai Jiao Tong University, China
Dr. Bibo Jiang 2008 Bates White, San Diego
Dr. Xin Wang 2008 Duff & Phelps, San Francisco
MSU(2011~2009)
Desu Liu Nanjing University in China
Yali Wang Capital One
Jingjing Yang Visiting Assistant Professor, Wooster College
Tao Peng Southwestern University of Finance and Economics, China
Yi Zhu Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, Hong Kong
JHU(2011~2000)
An, Yonghong – University of Connecticut
Liu, Kai – Norwegian School of Economics
Huang, Guofang – Yale School of Management (post doc)
Ma, Ning – Fannie Mae
Yu, Haomiao – Ryerson University
Xiao, Wei – Fannie Mae
Lu, Zhou – City University of New York
Zhang, Zhixiang – China Economics and Management Academy (CEMA), Central University of Finance and Economics
Zhou, Xia – Fannie Mae
Tan, Wei – SUNY – Stony Brook
Hu, Yingyao – U. of Texas
Zhang, Junfu – Public Policy Institute of California
Zhao, Zhong – Peking University
ISU(2010~2004)
Li Yu, Ph.D.
Assist Prof China Center for Human Capital & Labor Market Res, Central Univ. of Fin & Econ, Beijing (April 2010)
Youzhi Yang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Shanghai University of Finance and Econ (August 2009)
Zhuo (Adam) Chen, Ph.D.
Economist, Center for Disease Control, Atlanta, GA (September 2007)
Chengyan Yue, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, University of Minnesota (August 2007)
Junjie Sun, Ph.D.
Financial Economist, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), U.S. Treasury, Washington, DC (July 2007)
Xing Fan, Ph.D.
Statistical Analyst, Discover Financial (May 2007)
Wen Shi, MS
H & R Block, Kansas City KS (May 2007)
Jianhua Zhu, Ph.D.
Actuarial Assistant, Aviva USA, Des Moines, IA (January 2007)
Shang Wenzhuo, Ph.D.
Asset Liability Mgmt, Countrywide, California (October 2006)
Biyong Xu, Ph.D.
Federal Home Loan Bank, Des Moines IA, Risk Management Analyst (August 2004)
Duke University(2011~2004)
Yang Wang
Assistant Professor Lafayette College
Dong Chen
Assistant Professor University of Baltimore
Xin Huang
Assistant Professor University of Oklahoma
Shanjun Li
Assistant Professor State University of New York at Stony Brook
Xuan Liu
Assistant Professor East Carolina University
Haofei Chen
Senior Vice President China International Capital Corporation
Huayu Fang Quantitative Research Analyst Numeric Investors
Ming Guo
Assistant Professor Shanghai Advanced Institute of Finance
Bo Jiang
Assistant Professor The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Chi Leng
Managing Economist Nathan Associates, Inc.
Lijing Ouyang
Researcher Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Jingshu Wang
Health Economist Merck Research Laboratories
Jianguo Xu
Assistant Professor McGill University
UMN applied econ(2011~2000)
Zheng, Haochi PhD 2010 Assistant Professor, Department of Earth System and Science Policy, University of North Dakota
Qi, Shunrong PhD 2005 Unknown
Fang, Xiangming PhD 2004 Research Fellow, Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia
Liu, Ya Ming PhD 2003 Assistant Professor, Economics, National Cheng Kung University
Xu, Lan PhD 2003 Unknown
Umich(2011~2010)
Liyun Wu
Social Development Center
Southwestern University of Finance and Economics, China
Rochester(2011~1989)
2003 Jianjun Miao Boston University
1992 Baizhu Chen University of Southern California
UVa(2011~1991)
2011 Kang Jian Bank of America
2010 Shuna Wang Fannie Mae
2009 Bo Sun Federal Reserve Board
2008 Jing Yin PriceWaterhouseCoopers
2007 Chunwei Lai Hong Kong Polytechnic University
2003 Julia Rongying Qiu Citigroup Corp.
2002 Yanchun Zhang San Francisco State University
2001 Hua Fang Lukens Consulting Group, Inc.
1993 Zhenhui Xu William & Mary
WUSTL(2011~2005)
Jie Zheng, Tsinghua University
Yu Zheng, City University of Hong Kong
Ji Yan, Appalachian State University
Daifeng He, College of William and Mary
Jie Pan, University of Arkansas, Little Rock
Jiaren Pang, SUNY-Buffalo
Shaojun Chen, Morning Star, Chicago
U of Washington(2011~2006)
Jianguo Wang Research Analyst at the Healthcare Services Corporation in Chicago
Jun Ma University of Alabama
Ying Gu Bear Stearns in New York
Vandy(2011~2001)
Zhengfeng Guo: Information Technology Officer, International Monetary Fund
Jisong Wu Assistant Professor, Department of Economics, Indiana University-Purdue University, Indianapolis
Bingyu Zhang Assistant Professor, Department of Economics, National University of Singapore
Shan, Pingping ERS Group
Ji, Lu International Monetary Fund
Xiao, Sheng Furman University
Yang, Kun PanAgora Asset Management
Zhang, Jun Chinese University of Hong Kong
Wu, Haibin University of Alberta
ASU(2011~2001)
Shao, Ran 2011 Yeshiva University
Wang, Na 2011 Hofstra University
Wang, Zhe 2010 University of International Business and Economics (China)
Xue, Xiaolin 2008 University of Michigan, Dearborn
Fang, Lei 2008 Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
Wen, Lin 2003 University of Redlands
U of Arizona(2011~2001)
Ninghua Du Shanghai University Assistant Professor
Pitt(2011~2001)
Lin Cui Senior Risk Analyst Manager, Freddie Mac
Jipeng Zhang Assistant Professor, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore
Ting Ting Huang Assistant Professor, Finance & Development Institute, Nankai University in Tianjin
Wei Wang Center for East Asian Studies, Stanford University
Huan Xie Department of Economics, Concordia University
Yong Sui Department of Economics, Shanghai Jiao Tong University
Yang Zhao Department of Economics, Xiamen University
Ying Fang Department of Economics, Xiamen University
Li Qi Columbia University, East Asian Studies (Post-doc)
Baozhi Qu Dept of Economics and Finance, City University of Hong Kong (tenure track)
Wei Xiao University of New Orleans
TAMU(2011~1999)
Hu, Xu Fudan University
Ju, Gaosheng Fudan University
Zhang, Shuoxin Southwestern University of Finance and Economics
Zhang, Yu "Yvette" Texas A&M University (Ag-Econ), Visiting Assistant Professor
Cao, Xiaoyong University of International Business and Economics (UIBE), Beijing - Assistant
Wang, Yingning Whitman College - Visiting Assistant Professor
Gu, Jingping University of Arkansas
Su, Xiaojing Hong Kong Monetary Authority
Zou, Lin University of Idaho
Liu, Dandan Bowling Green State University
Ouyang, Desheng Shanghai University of Finance and Economics
Zang, Hailing Brattle Group - San Francisco
Li, Jingyuan Huangzhong University of Science and Technology, China
Li, Dong East Carolina University (NC)
PSU(2011~2002)
Tao Zhu , Assistant Professor, Department of Economics, Cornell University
Guang Guo, Default Risk Modeling Group, Moody's KMV, New York, NY
Daniel Yi Xu, Assistant Professor of Economics, New York University
Jian Hong, Assistant Professor, University of Sydney, Australia
Li Wang, Assistant Professor of Medicl Economics, Penn State University
Mingzhe Tang, Visiting Assistant Professor, Lehigh University
Yuanyuan Wan - Assistant Professor, University of Toronto
Haiqing Xu - Assistant Professor, University of Texas at Austin 很好很强大！ 再补充两点吧，一个好消息，一个坏消息。
好消息是，这个应该是first placement，15-50的学校大多数人的第一份工作都是比自己学校排名低很多的学校，但是一些人可以通过在tenure track奋斗的3-6年时间发高质量的文章再跳槽到更好的学校。
坏消息时，这些从排名低学校跳升回来的人中中国人很少。而且即使是回国，国内的top学校如果你在规定时间里没有发表至少1-2篇不错的文章的话，也是会赶人的。所以要保持不从第一份工作下降也着实需要不少努力。 这个sample够大了，统计个excel弄下回归，vov :lolSS威武
前景就这样了吧~~~ 嗯，5年/7年貌似还不够说明问题。5-7年是读PHD的时间，之后如果进学界，6年内必须为tenure拼搏~那么就是：“11年/13年/更久后，你会是什么样的人？” 3# turkeyk
同意目暮大叔的说法，first placement之后的流动性还是不小的。在上面的名单里看到不少后来做得不错的学者，发了field top甚至big 5之后，转到了更好的学校或者回国拿到了senior的职位。个人感觉first placement固然非常重要，但是最终还是publication为王道。 这个list里面。。越混越差或者一直没变的要比混得好的占绝对多数。。至于是不是认为自己会是属于前者。。这个在最开始就说明了。。里面的人的背景完全不弱。
其实。。发top5和field top的意义。。应该是分为个人圆梦和实际学术价值的。。所以。。
to 6楼。。本来就是找的第一份工的数据。。而且。。大多数人是越混越差。。再往后的主流肯定不是积极的。 好帖。我想说的一点是，国内的本科教育其实很失败。这里也体现了一个逆向选择的结果。一些不适合做研究的人反而有很好的机会出国去到好学校。虽然他们在国内本科或者硕士程度所谓“学术”上也过得牛逼哄哄。但是长远来说，做学问还是要讲悟性和坚持，所以就有了这里很幻灭的情况。以我的所见，那些真的有学术潜力的人，即使在国内读的博士，在学术水平上也完全不虚这些人的平均水平。他们缺乏的是圈子和英文写作水平。而出国读博士，另一方面来说，有一个前景，那就是：你真的非常优秀的话，你会成为一名世界级的学者。这一点在国内很难做到。不合适的人，即使是芝大毕业也救不了你，终身做不了一流的学者。 现在读国内博士 真能到那些PHD毕业的平均水平
我表示质疑
顺便能chicago PHD毕业
我不信他搞不好学术
只不过想不想搞而已
现在读国内博士 真能到那些PHD毕业的平均水平
我表示质疑
顺便能chicago PHD毕业
我不信他搞不好学术
只不过想不想搞而已
37°蓝调 发表于 2011-11-7 12:17 https://bbs.gter.net/images/common/back.gif
同意第一个 接受的训练强度差距太大/周围的学术氛围或者更直接的教授自己（水平/教学目的）等等都会影响很大
不同意第二个 有一部分原因就是有些人真的只是会考试 会通过模仿做题 虽然说毕业最重要的时Paper 但是一般情况下（虽然我所在的学校经济系虽然不是Chicago之类top5的） 但是你如果第六年还没毕业导师基本都会通融的 比如我知道我们学校有个人毕业在HK Top3找到工作 现在三年了 一篇paper都没有发表 还有其他原因不知道该怎么说 11# tianyayc
额。。。倒是忽视了人情这种情况。。。
可能是自己略弱的原因。。。
我一直觉得TOP5里按正常路线走然后毕业的人
想搞好学术都是没问题
还真的没想过有人去混日子的。。。。 好帖。我想说的一点是，国内的本科教育其实很失败。这里也体现了一个逆向选择的结果。一些不适合做研究的人反而有很好的机会出国去到好学校。虽然他们在国内本科或者硕士程度所谓“学术”上也过得牛逼哄哄。但是长远 ...
WildSwanAtCoole 发表于 2011-11-7 12:05 https://bbs.gter.net/images/common/back.gif
我认为如果一个人真的本科就体现出非常强的学术天分 那么这个人即使在中国也不会很轻易的被埋没
绝大多数人在出去读之前甚至PHD 三年级也不知道自己是不是适合做研究
悟性这种东西除非你是天才否则也需要基础（比如phd第一年core course）
我认为在有学术潜力的人在国内这种氛围下绝大多数也被磨灭的发挥不出来了
如果所有去读PHD得都可以成为一流学者 每个学校PHD项目每年就不会招20个了 因为每年招的教职远远小于这个数
人生正是因为未知和不确定才值得去追求 读PHD只要心中怀着一点做学术的愿望 我感觉就很足够了
当发现自己不适合时 正常人都会理性的比较一下沉没成本 然后选择放弃抑或坚持
但是没有入门永远不知道自己是不是适合 所以我认识国内通过分数、国内学术去推荐一个人是没有最优解下的最好方法， 即使在海外国内本科造成了不好的名声，但是也是有star的，即使很少。 不少AP进入教职的前三年的文章都很少，甚至一篇没有，这并不说明什么。看不少牛人的CV也能发现，他们不少人都是在第四第五年开始有给力的publication，然后进入一个相对高产的阶段。
11# tianyayc 本帖最后由 tianyayc 于 2011-11-7 13:42 编辑
不少AP进入教职的前三年的文章都很少，甚至一篇没有，这并不说明什么。看不少牛人的CV也能发现，他们不少人都是在第四第五年开始有给力的publication，然后进入一个相对高产的阶段。
11# tianyayc
shisonghongjun 发表于 2011-11-7 13:25 https://bbs.gter.net/images/common/back.gif
但是第三年至少起码要Submit或者R&R吧。。。而且这个学期已经进入他的第四年了。。。虽然我现在说这话非常不适合。
话说我没发现近五年毕业的PHD 牛人 到AP第四五年才有publication的。
PS: 回复完才发现是你。。。还是比较习惯erye。。