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作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 01:54:14     标题: issue47[color=red]大家狂讨论的,绝对的BT题目!尝试新写法[/color]

Issue 47   
Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect—that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.
社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。


As we all know, intellect, including reasoning and other cognitive skills, is an important factor in the process of individual success and social development. However, society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.

Intellect, defined as the capacity for rational or intelligent thought, includes reasoning ability, capabilities of analyzing and solving problems, etc. It is a crucial factor in the process of not only individual success, but also the development of society. Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example. If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly. Therefore, intellect has an important influence on the individual success. As for the development of a society, the function of intellect also could not be neglected. Social development depends on exploring more unknown fields, other than fields being existed. Discovering the unknown areas rests on the ability of reasoning, a factor included in intellect and an impetus for social development. As a result, intellect is a basic factor promoting individual success and social development.

The phenomenon that society does not place enough emphasis on the training of intellect is produced by the defect of existing educational system to some extent, such as overemphasizing on scores. Grades, standards to measure how much knowledge in textbooks being mastered by students, have many defects. For example, the capability trained in the test is the repeating of what the book says, while others, such as creative thinking and reasoning, could not be improved from this process. A consequence of these standard tests is the fact that some students, owning high scores in the school, have difficulties to fit for the job requiring them to use their cognitive skills, other tan repeating. Only if educational systems could pay more attention on the training of the development of students' whole abilities, jobs requiring more cognitive skills are easier to be taken on than ever. Then, the improvement of educational systems will bring advantages to society.

The approach of solving this problem is that not only educational systems, but also whole society should begin to attach importance to the training of intellect, as doing in some successful companies and universities nowadays. Some successful companies and universities adopt many measures to overcome defects in existing school education. For example, Microsoft has a strict procedure of enrolling employees, including an elaborate designed test which could scientific evaluate various intellect levels of job-finders. Employees in this company will receive a systematic training to improve their comprehensive intellect not only reasoning, but also other cognitive skills. There is another instance about the successful pushing an approach which reduces the pressure of pursuing high scores in Chinese elementary school recent years. As a result, a survey taken by an authoritative organization shows that the general abilities have obviously increasing after carrying out the approach, and recommends other schools to adopt this approach. From these examples, we could draw a conclusion that some good ways to solve the problem of ignoring intellect could be used as references by both educational systems and the whole society.

To sum up, society should pay more attention on intellect by adopting some effective approaches immediately, since it is too important to be neglected.  (557 words)



这个狂狂狂BT的文章,写的我快疯了!!!
限时55分钟,没完成不说,而且完成的部分很不满意,这是又修改了1个小时的成果,可是还心里没底,大家给看看吧,谢谢了!

尝试的一种新写法:
阐述重要性----分析问题产生原因----如何解决问题

对这种写法很没自信,唉!

附上我的提纲:
总论点:同意
分论点:(智力培养的重要性----产生原因----解决方法)
1、intellect的重要性,有利于成功,Bill Gates
2、因为学校教育的一些不合理,导致了缺少智力培养。考试、追求高分、高分低能现象的产生。
3、解决办法,社会应该加强对这一问题的重视程度。一些公司招聘的时候重视除分数外的许多因素,加强对员工的培训等。更多的企业、学校应该学习这些成功经验。

作者: jianguo    时间: 2004-3-26 02:05:41

占个座, 呵呵 抢狒狒先 呵呵
作者: jianguo    时间: 2004-3-26 02:08:58

明天看吧,今天实在不行了。得睡了 呵呵
作者: kavent    时间: 2004-3-26 02:11:04

Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example. If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly

这个例子好像没有表明bill的high intellect和他的成功有什么关系啊。

另外,看完这篇文章,总觉得有点什么…………
一下没想好怎么说,我把slientwing以前的提纲贴上来,你看看吧,我觉得他这个issue的分析挺到位的。


社会不重视智力因素。层层深入式展开:从当前教育来看,教育系统重视学生的认知和记忆能力,教育更多只是单方面的传授,如历史,哲学等,而这个是社会片面强调“记忆型人才”的后果。当今很多企业中令总裁头疼的问题之一就是创造性人才的短缺,许多征募回来的“优秀毕业生”根本只会按部就班,唯令适从。拿智力因素中的推理来说,是一个管理人员必备的素质,书本上的只是永远都是以前的一种案例参考,相较于今天永远都是落伍的。所以推理让我们以所知来解决所未知,社会要发展不是依赖所知,而是要靠开发所未知。而这是个循环的过程,未知变为所知后才能继续向前开发,因而认知能力也是必不可少。认识不清跟没有认识一样危险!非智力的灌输只能让人陷于从前的淤泥里驻留而埋没。
这道题很能考察我们的思维能力和理解能力。首先审题注意忽略的主体是“社会”,不是“教育系统”,千万注意!我们可以从当前社会的一个组员——教育入手引出问题的根本,然后有效利用题目给出的两个提示性要素——推理和认知大做文章,有效各自展开。这样文章就比较容易上手了。注意我们检验文章是否回应正确的方法:题目问社会重视智力因素吗?你说当前教育不重视,导致社会上很多管理人才缺乏推理,认知能力,但是今天的社会仍在这种情况下不自觉地进行着这种恶性循环。可见问和答是匹配的。有效利用题目给出的信息,特别是列举是全面有效回应的好方法
作者: lovebrian    时间: 2004-3-26 06:55:27

Issue 47
Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect—that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.
社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。


As we all know, intellect, including reasoning and other cognitive skills, is an important factor in the process of individual success and social development. However, society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.观点鲜明~


Intellect, defined as the capacity for rational or intelligent thought, includes reasoning ability, capabilities of analyzing and solving problems, etc. It is a crucial factor in the process of not only individual success, but also the development of society. ts Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example.反证法 If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly.一直都认为 反证法只是用作补充证明用的,感觉不很充分,所以后面therefore得出的就略显牵强 Therefore, intellect has an important influence on the individual success. As for the development of a society, the function of intellect also could not be neglected. Social development depends on exploring more unknown fields, other than fields being existed. Discovering the unknown areas rests on又是俺没见过的~强 the ability of reasoning, a factor included in intellect and an impetus for social development. As a result, intellect is a basic factor promoting individual success and social development.段落的结构没什么好说得了~~清得很~就是深度不够~~btw没看见语法毛病

The phenomenon that society does not place enough emphasis on the training of intellect is produced by the defect of existing educational system to some extent, such as overemphasizing on scores.这个写起来有数吧~刚写过 :cool: Grades, standards to measure how much knowledge in textbooks being mastered by students, have many defects. For example, the capability trained in the test is the repeating of what the book says, while others, such as creative thinking and reasoning, could not be improved from this process. A consequence of these standard tests is the fact that some students, owning high scores in the school, have difficulties to fit for the job requiring them to use their cognitive skills, other tan repeating. Only if educational systems could pay more attention on the training of the development of students' whole abilities, jobs requiring more cognitive skills are easier to be taken on than ever. Then, the improvement of educational systems will bring advantages to society.写得再深刻点更好啦


The approach of solving this problem is that not only educational systems, but also whole society should begin to attach importance to the training of intellect, as doing in some successful companies and universities nowadays. Some successful companies and universities adopt many measures to overcome defects in existing school education. For example, Microsoft has a strict procedure of enrolling employees, including an elaborate designed test which could scientific evaluate various intellect levels of job-finders. Employees in this company will receive a systematic training to improve their comprehensive intellect not only reasoning, but also other cognitive skills巧妙的把evaluate给转换成了培养~~Good. There is another instance about the successful pushing an approach which reduces the pressure of pursuing high scores in Chinese elementary school recent years. As a result, a survey taken by an authoritative organization shows that the general abilities have obviously increasing after carrying out the approach, and recommends other schools to adopt this approach. From these examples, we could draw a conclusion that some good ways to solve the problem of ignoring intellect could be used as references by both educational systems and the whole society.我感觉这是很不错的一段

To sum up, society should pay more attention on intellect by adopting some effective approaches immediately, since it is too important to be neglected. (557 words)



相当好啦~~~每一个body都至少展开了两个层~~分析得也到位~~~总结的也扣题~~~pf pf阿~~!!呵呵~~
btw "for example"的用法再灵活一点哦~~~

作者: fishergirl    时间: 2004-3-26 08:15:40

最初由 kavent 发布
社会不重视智力因素。层层深入式展开:从当前教育来看,教育系统重视学生的认知和记忆能力,教育更多只是单方面的传授,如历史,哲学等,而这个是社会片面强调“记忆型人才”的后果。当今很多企业中令总裁头疼的问题之一就是创造性人才的短缺,许多征募回来的“优秀毕业生”根本只会按部就班,唯令适从。拿智力因素中的推理来说,是一个管理人员必备的素质,书本上的只是永远都是以前的一种案例参考,相较于今天永远都是落伍的。所以推理让我们以所知来解决所未知,社会要发展不是依赖所知,而是要靠开发所未知。而这是个循环的过程,未知变为所知后才能继续向前开发,因而认知能力也是必不可少。认识不清跟没有认识一样危险!非智力的灌输只能让人陷于从前的淤泥里驻留而埋没。
这道题很能考察我们的思维能力和理解能力。首先审题注意忽略的主体是“社会”,不是“教育系统”,千万注意!我们可以从当前社会的一个组员——教育入手引出问题的根本,然后有效利用题目给出的两个提示性要素——推理和认知大做文章,有效各自展开。这样文章就比较容易上手了。注意我们检验文章是否回应正确的方法:题目问社会重视智力因素吗?你说当前教育不重视,导致社会上很多管理人才缺乏推理,认知能力,但是今天的社会仍在这种情况下不自觉地进行着这种恶性循环。可见问和答是匹配的。有效利用题目给出的信息,特别是列举是全面有效回应的好方法

说的真好,好像有点思路了。
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 08:40:59

最初由 kavent 发布
社会不重视智力因素。层层深入式展开:从当前教育来看,教育系统重视学生的认知和记忆能力,教育更多只是单方面的传授,如历史,哲学等,而这个是社会片面强调“记忆型人才”的后果。当今很多企业中令总裁头疼的问题之一就是创造性人才的短缺,许多征募回来的“优秀毕业生”根本只会按部就班,唯令适从。拿智力因素中的推理来说,是一个管理人员必备的素质,书本上的只是永远都是以前的一种案例参考,相较于今天永远都是落伍的。所以推理让我们以所知来解决所未知,社会要发展不是依赖所知,而是要靠开发所未知。而这是个循环的过程,未知变为所知后才能继续向前开发,因而认知能力也是必不可少。认识不清跟没有认识一样危险!非智力的灌输只能让人陷于从前的淤泥里驻留而埋没。
这道题很能考察我们的思维能力和理解能力。首先审题注意忽略的主体是“社会”,不是“教育系统”,千万注意!我们可以从当前社会的一个组员——教育入手引出问题的根本,然后有效利用题目给出的两个提示性要素——推理和认知大做文章,有效各自展开。这样文章就比较容易上手了。注意我们检验文章是否回应正确的方法:题目问社会重视智力因素吗?你说当前教育不重视,导致社会上很多管理人才缺乏推理,认知能力,但是今天的社会仍在这种情况下不自觉地进行着这种恶性循环。可见问和答是匹配的。有效利用题目给出的信息,特别是列举是全面有效回应的好方法
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这个我早看过了,虽然不反对这个观点吧
但是我不想写成这种写法,说不清楚为什么,反正不是很喜欢
所以尝试的这种写法
也不知道是否成功
大家给看看啊!
作者: sniper613    时间: 2004-3-26 09:52:14

Issue 47
Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect—that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.
社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。

先说你的syllabus:
总论点:同意
分论点:(智力培养的重要性----产生原因----解决方法)
1、intellect的重要性,有利于成功,Bill Gates(Bill哥的成功很大程度上不是intellect而是emotional factors)
2、因为学校教育的一些不合理,导致了缺少智力培养。考试、追求高分、高分低能现象的产生。(例子完全错误,正是学校教育追求智力培养才重视考试,而忽略了其他方面,如情商,morality,马加爵是一个典型吧,intellect很高,但是都干了些什么?)
3、解决办法,社会应该加强对这一问题的重视程度。一些公司招聘的时候重视除分数外的许多因素,加强对员工的培训等。更多的企业、学校应该学习这些成功经验。
我觉得你把intellect理解错了,intellect很大意义上是我们通常说的智商,就是逻辑思考能力。基本上是与情商相对应。所以我觉得我对这个题目会持反对立场。我把我的syllabus说一下吧:
1.        与作者说的正好相反,现在的学校很强调intellect education.
2.        但是学校忽落了Emotion education.
3.        对于morality也是很重要的一个教育方面。



As we all know, intellect, including reasoning and other cognitive skills, is an important factor in the process of individual success and social development. However, society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.

Intellect, defined as the capacity for rational or intelligent thought, includes reasoning ability, capabilities of analyzing and solving problems, etc. It is a crucial factor in the process of not only individual success, but also the development of society. Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example. If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly.(如上所说,Bill 开创Microsoft 是很大的勇气和很高的情商,他手下的那些编程的伙计,intellect也很高,怎么还是给Bill打工,而没有自己开公司呢?) Therefore, intellect has an important influence on the individual success. As for the development of a society, the function of intellect also could not be neglected. Social development depends on exploring more unknown fields, other than fields being existed. Discovering the unknown areas rests on the ability of reasoning, a factor included in intellect and an impetus for social development.(我反而觉得这个才能支持你的论点,But to my disappointment没有详细论述) As a result, intellect is a basic factor promoting individual success and social development.

The phenomenon that society does not place enough emphasis on the training of intellect is produced by the defect of existing educational system to some extent, such as overemphasizing on scores.(分数与智力?) Grades, standards to measure how much knowledge in textbooks being mastered by students, have many defects. For example, the capability trained in the test is the repeating of what the book says, while others, such as creative thinking and reasoning, could not be improved from this process. A consequence of these standard tests is the fact that some students, owning high scores in the school, have difficulties to fit for the job requiring them to use their cognitive skills, other tan repeating. Only if educational systems could pay more attention on the training of the development of students' whole abilities, jobs requiring more cognitive skills are easier to be taken on than ever. Then, the improvement of educational systems will bring advantages to society.(难以信服!举个例子,高等数学,几乎每个大学生都学吧,高数的考试也很多吧,分数不重要吗?但是高数显然能培养人的思考和逻辑能力吧)

The approach of solving this problem is that not only educational systems, but also whole society should begin to attach importance to the training of intellect, as doing in some successful companies and universities nowadays. Some successful companies and universities adopt many measures to overcome defects in existing school education. For example, Microsoft has a strict procedure of enrolling employees, including an elaborate designed test which could scientific evaluate various intellect levels of job-finders. Employees in this company will receive a systematic training to improve their comprehensive intellect not only reasoning, but also other cognitive skills. There is another instance about the successful pushing an approach which reduces the pressure of pursuing high scores in Chinese elementary school recent years. As a result, a survey taken by an authoritative organization shows that the general abilities have obviously increasing after carrying out the approach, and recommends other schools to adopt this approach. From these examples, we could draw a conclusion that some good ways to solve the problem of ignoring intellect could be used as references by both educational systems and the whole society.(我举一个很反动的例子,以前美国黑人选举投票之前都要通过intellect test, 通过才可以选举,你能说这是society不重视吗?)

To sum up, society should pay more attention on intellect by adopting some effective approaches immediately, since it is too important to be neglected. (557 words)
作者: jianguo    时间: 2004-3-26 11:17:28

Issue 47
Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect—that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.
社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。


As we all know, intellect, including reasoning and other cognitive skills, is an important factor in the process of individual success and social development. However, society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.(开头不错,学习之)

Intellect, defined as the capacity for rational or intelligent thought, includes reasoning ability, capabilities of analyzing and solving problems, etc. It is a crucial factor in the process of not only individual success, but also the development of society. Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example. If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, (缺主语吧)would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly. Therefore, intellect has an important influence on the individual success. As for the development of a society, the function of intellect also could not be neglected. Social development depends on exploring more unknown fields, other than fields being existed. Discovering the unknown areas rests on the ability of reasoning, a factor included in intellect and an impetus for social development. As a result, intellect is a basic factor promoting individual success and social development.

The phenomenon that society does not place enough emphasis on the training of intellect is produced by the defect of existing educational system to some extent, such as overemphasizing on scores. Grades, standards to measure how much knowledge in textbooks being mastered by students, have many defects. For example, the capability trained in the test is the repeating of(去掉of) what the book says, while others, such as creative thinking and reasoning, could not be improved from this process. A consequence of these standard tests is the fact that some students, owning high scores in the school, have difficulties to fit for the job requiring them to use their cognitive skills, other tan repeating. Only if educational systems could pay more attention on the training of the development of students' whole abilities, jobs requiring more cognitive skills are easier to be taken on than ever. Then, the improvement of educational systems will bring advantages to society.

The approach of solving this problem is that not only educational systems, but also whole society should begin to attach importance to the training of intellect, as doing in some successful companies and universities nowadays. Some successful companies and universities adopt many measures to overcome defects in existing school education. For example, Microsoft has a strict procedure of enrolling employees, including an elaborate(elaborately) designed test which could scientific(scientifically) evaluate various intellect levels of job-finders. Employees in this company will receive a systematic training to improve their comprehensive intellect not only reasoning, but also other cognitive skills. There is another instance about the successful pushing an approach which reduces the pressure of pursuing high scores in Chinese elementary school recent years. As a result, a survey taken by an authoritative organization shows that the general abilities have obviously increasing after carrying out the approach, and recommends(主语是什么?) other schools to adopt this approach. From these examples, we could draw a conclusion that some good ways to solve the problem of ignoring intellect could be used as references by both educational systems and the whole society.

To sum up, society should pay more attention on intellect by adopting some effective approaches immediately, since it is too important to be neglected. (557 words)
写的不错呀,你的BT训练教程成功了,呵呵, 祝贺你呀。
我想好好给你改一改都很困难呀,强
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 16:46:41

最初由 sniper613 发布
我把我的syllabus说一下吧:
1. 与作者说的正好相反,现在的学校很强调intellect education.
2. 但是学校忽落了Emotion education.
3. 对于morality也是很重要的一个教育方面。
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不同意!
我觉得这个题目说的不是IQ和EQ的问题,而是说是否除了IQ外,应注重其他素质的培养,但是不一定就是EQ的

这个intellect我专门查了一下MW,是这个意思:
Intellect: a: the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will: the capacity for knowledge; b: the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed

就是说,是智力的培养问题吧,其实和你说的IQ差不多啊

intellect的重要性,有利于成功,Bill Gates(Bill哥的成功很大程度上不是intellect而是emotional factors)

是吗?
如果他没有高智商,怎么会抓住那种好的机遇呢?
成功人士大部分的智商还是很高的,当然了,极少数除外

。(例子完全错误,正是学校教育追求智力培养才重视考试,而忽略了其他方面,如情商,morality,马加爵是一个典型吧,intellect很高,但是都干了些什么?)

应该是我中文TS有问题,我想说,考试更多注重记忆能力,却忽视了其他能力的培养,比如创造性,等等

这个是我的理解,再讨论一下吧!
作者: paisley    时间: 2004-3-26 17:44:09

我觉得你对题目中的intellect理解得不太对,我对它的理解以及它的反面理解请见
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... hlight=%C5%EB%E2%BF


也就是说,我认为这刀题写成驳论容易的多。你写的应试教育的例子,其实刚好是跟你自己的论点相反的。我们现在的数学、物理、化学无疑都是非常intellectual的,而其他文科,假如现在还是强调死记硬背的话,也是intellctual的,因为“记忆事实”本身也是intellectual的组成成分。还有微软面食的题目,我觉得依然是intellectual的。为什么呢?正是因为这种能力是最容易被测量的,容易标准化考核的,容易迅速地从大批人中选出合格的人来,适应高度工业化、流水线生产的社会。一个人不需要很有思想或者别的什么古怪才能,或者“孝顺”“善良”这些品质都是对流水线生产没有任何作用的。你可以看到,现在社会上收入最高,威望最大的都是在intelect方面特别出色的人,医生、律师、学者……而其他才能很出色而这方面逊色的人就不那么幸运了。当然说到这里有点远了。但是这可以说明为什么我认为这刀题目写驳论容易的多。

而我说的正是我们目前缺少的,人际关系能力、对艺术的领悟能力、手工能力、烹饪能力,等等。。社会上不仅需要学者,需要善于综合分析、逻辑推理的人,我们还需要有其他才能的人。世界需要多样化,这也是将世界从可悲的工业化社会挽救出来的方法之一。
作者: sniper613    时间: 2004-3-26 17:44:18

我觉得这个题目说的不是IQ和EQ的问题,而是说是否除了IQ外,应注重其他素质的培养,但是不一定就是EQ的

我是说IQ和EQ相对,IQ包含人的智力因数,而EQ则是非智力因数,EQ包含了你所说的其他素质的培养。

你说的考试的问题我恰恰觉得是社会学校过于重视智力教育的后果。中国高考时最典型的例子了吧

如果他没有高智商,怎么会抓住那种好的机遇呢?

Bill Gate 在八十年代创办Microsoft Company,当时他是没读完大学的,他的intellect与那些Havard的毕业生相比,谁强?但是Bill他善于把握和创造机会,可以这么说这与他的智商完全没有关系。并且你抛开其他原因就谈智商,是很难让人信服的。另外一个例子,中国很多的民营企业家,很大部分仅有小学文化,人家还不是资产上亿。如果你硬要找一个intellect的例子,我建议用科学家的例子,Einstein,堪称人类中的最高智商,成绩非凡。
作者: paisley    时间: 2004-3-26 17:46:41

我很同意sniper。

刚才忘记说了。其实bill gates的例子不是很恰当。你应该说说那些高intellect的人,如何的声明卓著,薪水不凡,走在金广大道上。这样的例子才合适。
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 22:50:33

彻底晕掉了
再下去想想啊

其他人还有什么讨论吗?
作者: lovebrian    时间: 2004-3-26 22:56:28

真没想到!!ETS的每道题都这样能抠出个陷阱来吗?
看来bill的例子不行了~~~还有intellect的确在理解上出现的问题!
举个爱因斯坦把~~老人家比一般人智商高60
作者: sniper613    时间: 2004-3-26 23:06:25

我怎么听说爱因斯坦同学的智商比一般人高100啊
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 23:10:49

这个题目,我对intellect的理解还是智商、智力

题目说:社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。
我的立论是:同意题目观点,没有给予足够重视。
然后围绕这一点进行阐述,逻辑脉络就是:为什么说智力重要----为什么说社会重视不够----如何去加强重视。

至于你们所说的EQ问题,题目根本没有涉及啊?
题目就是问你,你是否认为现在社会给予IQ足够的重视
所以,我认为,如果再牵扯进来EQ的话,可能偏离的有点远。
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-26 23:11:58

噢,补充一句:
可能第一段我的例子,BILL 的是没一些科学家的好,同意这个观点,谢谢!
作者: sniper613    时间: 2004-3-26 23:19:16

晕了,再想想回答你
作者: ballackxjj    时间: 2004-3-26 23:26:20

我觉得你论述的是学校没有成功培养intellect能力,而不是does not place enough emphasis on the intellect。两个例子都不是很有力


姐姐语言表达真是。。。。。不错!
作者: sniper613    时间: 2004-3-26 23:38:44

题目说:社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。我的立论是:同意题目观点,没有给予足够重视。
然后围绕这一点进行阐述,逻辑脉络就是:为什么说智力重要----为什么说社会重视不够----如何去加强重视。

至于你们所说的EQ问题,题目根本没有涉及啊?
题目就是问你,你是否认为现在社会给予IQ足够的重视
所以,我认为,如果再牵扯进来EQ的话,可能偏离的有点远。


我的观点是只要和题目里面关键词可以联系的内容都可以写啊
一般意义上讲,IQ基本上是和EQ相对的。题目说没有对IQ重视,但是也没问你如何加强重视啊?
我记得issue里面有些题是关于竞争是否有利,但是我们仍然可以联系到合作阿。
所以我觉得这道题完全可以联系到EQ上面去。
另外:我写了一篇立论和你完全相反的,不是抬杠啊,呵呵~~~~,你看看,好吗?
作者: imong    时间: 2004-3-27 00:00:14

拜托各位~
没觉得这篇文章语言表达很出色,society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.后半句怎么看怎么觉得是一个Toefl语法的选项,还有下面的being existed,前面in the process of success之类的用词,拜托各位不要溢美过头了~

刚刚琢磨了一下,觉得关于intellect的理解其实这道题目有漏洞可以钻。看我开的新帖子。

文章并没有特别出彩的地方,不过基本上响应了题目。其实第一段用bill gates的例子我觉得未必不妥,毕竟前面已经都说了Intellect, defined as the capacity for rational or intelligent thought,定义已经下死了,又不违背常理。sniper和paisley的反驳,恐怕都是先变化预设,然后再进行驳论的吧?我想也许这已经超出issue的“立论”而进入“辩论”了。在行文过程中是不用涉及辩论的,成功立论就可以了。
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-27 00:33:02

最初由 sniper613 发布
[B]我的观点是只要和题目里面关键词可以联系的内容都可以写啊
一般意义上讲,IQ基本上是和EQ相对的。题目说没有对IQ重视,但是也没问你如何加强重视啊?
我记得issue里面有些题是关于竞争是否有利,但是我们仍然可以联系到合作阿。
所以我觉得这道题完全可以联系到EQ上面去。


我现在是这么想的,可能我们的想法都可行,只是界定不同罢了,所以只要可以自圆其说就OK了,而不必大家都写成一个模式

你觉得呢?
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-27 00:33:30

最初由 imong 发布
[B]拜托各位~
没觉得这篇文章语言表达很出色,society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.后半句怎么看怎么觉..

以下省略...... [/B]


:(
真是的,一点面子都不给
郁闷~
作者: lovebrian    时间: 2004-3-27 00:41:51

不知道imong看了我的语言会怎么说~~sigh
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-27 00:44:29

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]不知道imong看了我的语言会怎么说~~sigh [/B]


哈哈
直接砍了
:p  ;)  :p
作者: lovebrian    时间: 2004-3-27 00:49:11

你也太不给我面子拉`~55555
作者: dezhi    时间: 2004-3-27 00:50:47

瞧你们说的,呵呵
真会开玩笑:)
共同努力!
作者: davidjacky    时间: 2004-3-27 03:04:56     标题: Re: issue47[color=red]大家狂讨论的,绝对的BT题目!尝试新写法[/color]

最初由 xqmelissa 发布
[B]Issue 47   
Issue 47
Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect—that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.
社会没有给予智力培养方面足够的重视,比如人的推理和其他认知能力。

正好我也看了飞跃的材料:过来讨论一下,希望大家能够帮我想象这个提纲可行性,我不能确定的是第四段的写法。怎么布局,还是带一下即可。
我的提纲
支持作者的说法:
1)学校里学的知识是job-related的工作,这个我不想和您们争论我只想说这个观点是正对这个题目的。
In schools or colleges, students have to learn the theoretical courses and abide the rigid curricula, which restrain, at certain level, the student culture imagination and cognitive skills.--具体例子就是说叫我们一些practical skills-job-related education比如:我们去工厂实习,老师们会告诉我们不要乱动,好好听操作,将来工作能用。
2). 在工作岗位也是这样,每天重复无聊的工作,比如:我们天津的学生都知道天才公司,很多人以为买盗版光盘的,实际是个大公司,对此我们也不追求,我们回到下面买盗版光盘的地方,一般那些不懂电脑的大妈都回装机,手法比我熟练,我们加入这个“站队”,也只会装机,限制思维,李子不是这样了,李子:在工厂,我们工人以来计算机辅助控制,只需简单按几个纽,一天任务完成,不去想怎么做的,为什么?所以限制思维With the development of the line-production and computer-progress, people in the work are gradually accustomed to the strict courses, as the consequence, it declines the people's enterprise.-secretary-working machines
3). 这个比较麻烦,我想笔锋一转,又怕过分会跑自己d的TS,大家帮我参考:
No doubt, people should abide by the common courses and progresses, in order to conform to an effective group. 但是我们应该怎么做But we should cultivate a field that can prompt individual's reasoning and other cognitive skills.



下面谈谈我对这片文章的理解,请大家予以斧正:恳请大家指正,往往纠正的正确的自己还很得意,希望大家坦言,学习本来就是一个值得争论的话题吗?我个人认为没有绝对的权威,ETS也不是,尽管控制着我们的命运,至少是我们这些人。
As we all know, intellect, including reasoning and other cognitive skills, is an important factor in the process of individual success and social development. However, society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.
提出观点,很明确,给分,尽管我说了不算。说的是社会忽视了intellect的教育,和我的一样,如果我没有记错pay attention to 才对,这个至少没见过。你那个写成这样,你看可以吗?however, society does not pay  sufficient attention to intellect , neither does the somewhat unresonable educational system.或者这样:however, society, education system in particular, does not pay  sufficient attention to intellect .教育制度前不要用的那么狠,既然你对教育已经否定了,ETS认为很生气。
Intellect, defined as the capacity for[B][ability of] [/B]  rational or intelligent thought[B][thinking], [/B]  includes reasoning ability, capabilities of analyzing and solving problems, etc.[B][and the like多几个字,可以不这样][/B]  It is a crucial factor in the process of not only individual success, but also the development of society. Take Bill Gates, the founder of one famous corporation in the world, as an example.[B][这个地方被大家否定了,很遗憾,不过我想是这样,该一下Bill Gates, hornored for his great intellect by the world, 将Microsoft公司搞得蒸蒸日上。世界最大了,谁还怀疑世界错了,换个角度,错误也是真理,正如男女之间,不爱也是一种爱,总比故意去伤害好][/B]  If he had not owned high intellect, Microsoft under his control, would have had no opportunity to develop advanced computer operating systems and dominate the PC market triumphantly. Therefore, intellect has an important influence on the individual success. As for the development of a society, the function of intellect also could not be neglected[B][今天GITER给我改作文提到这个词,你这个地方我看也改成这样could not be neglected or ignored][/B] . Social development depends on exploring more unknown fields, other than fields being existed. Discovering the unknown areas rests on the ability of reasoning, a factor included in intellect and an impetus for social development. As a result, intellect is a basic factor promoting individual success and social development.大的方面没问题

The phenomenon that society does not place enough emphasis on the training of intellect [U]is produced by [/U] --->[B]results from  [/B]  the defect加S,下面说SUCH AS  of existing educational system to some extent, such as overemphasizing [U]on [/U]  不要姓马?一般我写overemphasizing 长相,你找不到好老婆,overemphasizing 人品,你也找不到好老公scores. Grades, standards[B][one of the most important standards] [/B]  to measure [B][measure太俗了fathom][/B] how much knowledge in textbooks being mastered by students, have many defects[这里嫁了为什么前面不佳]. For example, the capability trained in the test is [U][B]the repeating [/B]  [/U]  to tediously repeat  what the book says, while others, such as creative thinking and reasoning, could not be improved from[B][during][/B]  this process. A consequence of these standard tests is the fact that some students, owning high scores in the school, have difficulties to fit [B][in qualifing][/B] the job requiring them to use their cognitive skills, other tan [B][rather than][/B] repeating. Only if educational systems could pay more attention on the training of the development of students' whole abilities, jobs requiring more cognitive skills are easier to be taken on than ever. Then, the improvement of educational systems will bring advantages to society.个人认为这一段论述和我的一致,我也会这么写!


对不起,今天太晚了,下一段不予评价,sorry
The approach of solving this problem is that not only educational systems, but also whole society should begin to attach importance to the training of intellect, as doing in some successful companies and universities nowadays. Some successful companies and universities adopt many measures to overcome defects in existing school education. For example, Microsoft has a strict procedure of enrolling employees, including an elaborate designed test which could scientific evaluate various intellect levels of job-finders. Employees in this company will receive a systematic training to improve their comprehensive intellect not only reasoning, but also other cognitive skills. There is another instance about the successful pushing an approach which reduces the pressure of pursuing high scores in Chinese elementary school recent years. As a result, a survey taken by an authoritative organization shows that the general abilities have obviously increasing after carrying out the approach, and recommends other schools to adopt this approach. From these examples, we could draw a conclusion that some good ways to solve the problem of ignoring intellect could be used as references by both educational systems and the whole society.

To sum up, society should pay more attention on intellect by adopting some effective approaches immediately, since it is too important to be neglected. (557 words)

以下省略...... [/B]

作者: davidjacky    时间: 2004-3-27 03:06:29

不好意思,以前来的时候从不乏文章,本来我想把我改的地方变粗,怎么全变了,对不起,影响版面整洁,自我大嫂中。。。。
作者: coolwits    时间: 2004-3-27 12:24:21

"拜托各位~
没觉得这篇文章语言表达很出色,society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.后半句怎么看怎么觉得是一个Toefl语法的选项,还有下面的being existed,前面in the process of success之类的用词,拜托各位不要溢美过头了~"
不要以为xqmelissa是版主就不敢批她的文章,她毕竟也还只是和大家一样在努力而已
这篇没有看,xpmelissa以前的文章看过一篇,感觉句子组织罗索空泛
提出过一点意见,不过马上就被其他人的溢美之词淹没掉了,这样对她本人绝没有好处
也会对其他人产生误导
我绝对支持wxlgh,砖头让人进步
不知道他如果来看这篇文章会批成什么样子,不过我记得他是曾经把galaxysong一篇很不错的文章评成“差劲”,很多人从那篇修改稿中也学到了很多东西。。。
作者: xqmelissa    时间: 2004-3-27 12:31:18

对对,同意鼻涕虫的观点!
我和大家一样都是在备考的,现在差的还很多很多,常被IMONG批的

大家狠狠批吧!
作者: ar007    时间: 2004-3-27 13:16:56     标题: [分享]泽被后人啊!

看提纲的时候,就觉得这道题BT,主要是觉得过于抽象,例子多,但是很难和论题联系起来的话,楼主也有这方面问题,写了反而觉得罗嗦。
楼主文章的立意我觉的很有新意,文笔挺好
学习中!
作者: 九月爱上乒乓球    时间: 2004-3-27 13:26:00

拜托各位~
没觉得这篇文章语言表达很出色,society does not pay enough attention on it, especially the somewhat unreasonable educational system.后半句怎么看怎么觉得是一个Toefl语法的选项,还有下面的being existed,前面in the process of success之类的用词,拜托各位不要溢美过头了~"
不要以为xqmelissa是版主就不敢批她的文章,她毕竟也还只是和大家一样在努力而已
这篇没有看,xpmelissa以前的文章看过一篇,感觉句子组织罗索空泛
提出过一点意见,不过马上就被其他人的溢美之词淹没掉了,这样对她本人绝没有好处
也会对其他人产生误导
我绝对支持wxlgh,砖头让人进步
不知道他如果来看这篇文章会批成什么样子,不过我记得他是曾经把galaxysong一篇很不错的文章评成“差劲”,很多人从那篇修改稿中也学到了很多东西。。。


同意的说~~
本来想加入的 大规模的溢美之词让我觉得就没有什么必要的拉
to be skeptical!!
作者: learner    时间: 2004-4-6 19:22:27

语言不错,可在分析为什么现行教育体制未着重培养intellect时好象单薄点。毕竟这是全文核心,应深入说一下score不能很客观反映智力,及灌输式的教育不能提高智力。
作者: candise    时间: 2004-8-2 14:56:56

这个北美的范文里说道了,情感什么的也很重要,但是过分强调却没什么用。
我觉得不错,可以用进去
作者: JC506    时间: 2005-3-5 11:18:13

有个issue的题目是:Some educational systerm emphasize the development of students' capacity for reasoning and logical thinking,but students would benefit more from an education that also taught them to explore their own emotions.跟这个题目有点类似,intellect是指reasoning and other cognitive skills,那非intellect应该是关于人的emotion方面的吧
作者: 费跃哲    时间: 2005-3-7 16:44:18

不好意思,刚来但是看发表时间怎么都是以前的呢?现在的人呢?为什么我不能发新帖子呢?
作者: uniqueguo    时间: 2005-3-30 11:53:51

都是高手啊




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