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标题: Issue10 机井椰树，政府是否该资助城市…… [打印本页]

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-13 04:03:59 标题: Issue10,机井椰树，政府是否该资助城市……

Issue10
Governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support they need in order to thrive, because it is primarily in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated.

提纲：
1。部分同意：政府应该支持，否定城市保存发源文化传统
2。反驳城市保存发源文化传统
3。政府应该支持的两个理由：政府的责任，大城市重要地位
4。不能无节制支持，应当调节发展
5。总结

With the rapid economic development, cities play an increasingly significant role in the whole society and catch much more attention from people than before. The advocacy that governments must meet their major cities' need by offer financial support is somewhat reasonable but the reason provided that it is in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated seems ungrounded from my opinion.

Above all, the claim that major cities have not only conserved but also generated much more of a nation's traditions than other places is open to doubt. As a common sense, from one aspect, the urbanization serves to establish so called "international metropolises", which absorb all kinds of alien cultures as part of their own. As a result, the big cities are going to be with more similarities although they are located in different places on the earth. For instance, Shanghai, one of the major cities in China, is such a typical international metropolis, but what you can see there is something almost same to New York. Towers though stand on the land of Shanghai, are designed by famous European or American or Japanese architects; reputed brands appear in the departments as common as in every other big city out of China. We cannot make sense to long for an indeed Chinese style there. The process of urbanization might do more on depriving the traditions from the major cities of a nation. From another aspect, it is more likely that countryside or small towns rather than major cities do help to preserve and generate a country's traditions, due to the less impact on them exerted by the urbanization process. Much less invaded and colonized by the foreign cultures, these relatively small sites may keep more customs original. When Beijing's historical civilian houses, which carry some kind of traditional life style, are demolished, to people’s surprise, Pingyao, a very small town gradually becomes celebrated for its preserving of those under a sound situation. So it is primarily in places other than major cities that a nation's culture could be preserved and generated.

Although the reason claimed is questionable, governments still should support the cities within the extent it can reach for two causes. On the one hand, a government has the responsibility to buttress major cities in finance. Since government is an institution to deal with national affairs and plan for the future development of the whole state, it is its obligation to try its best to meet the needs of every part of the nation, of course enveloping the major cities. On the other hand, major cities are the most important source of national taxes income, so the extent of how they are developed is relative to the whole country's financial situation. As the bone of the country, major cities need appropriations large enough to launch their plans toward the goal to be more prosperous. As an illustration, without the government’s subsidy, it is entirely impossible for Athens to win the chance to hold the Olympic Games in 2004 and due to this, the whole country would enjoy the benefits brought about by the Games. So it is meaningful to meet their needs in finance for further and faster developments.

However, such a point does not stand for immoderate content to the major cities. When country is taken into account as a whole, including major cities, small towns and countryside, it would be unwise to give major cites permanent priority to others without a well-rounded consideration about the reality. For example, should a country like Uganda put its people who are mostly living out of cities and in famine aside and empty its purse to meet its capital’s needs? A big NO would be the only answer. What is more essential of governments’ work is to reach a coordinated development of major cities, small cites, towns and countryside in the scope of the whole country. A state in a situation with palmy big cities only is somewhat like a lame person, who can merely advance by dragging his hurt leg slowly and arduously. So governments should not focus narrowly on the development of major cities and give them financial supports with overlooking the full view.

In sum, governments surely should appropriate to the major cities and meet their needs under a condition that such subsidies neither are beyond the governments’ capability, nor do harm to the coordinated development of the whole country. But instead of the reason that a nation’s cultural traditions are primarily preserved and generated in them, this support is with an eye to prompt the major cities to make progress and then, to propel the whole economic development of the nation.（775words）

很显然，又超时了……继续努力吧！！！！没什么别的好说的了。

补：夜里太困了，有几个单复数之类的问题刚才才修改好。改了个别的一两个词。请看吧！

作者: LSD 时间: 2004-4-13 04:23:07

令人头疼的文化题，刚刚又复习了一遍自己的提纲，看到这道，觉得没什么例子可寻，可能会写得比较空，本来想放弃的，看到NEEDLE的作文，所以~~~~~~~~
先占上座:p

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-13 04:26:11

LSD....怎么又跳上来了。。。

西西

作者: fishergirl 时间: 2004-4-13 08:46:04

你们俩真是太强了，看看都什么时候了！

先占个座吧，needle的文章是要好好学习的：）

作者: lovebrian 时间: 2004-4-13 09:24:29

注意休息注意休息啊！！这样会累坏的~~~~FT
占个座~~~我觉得都改不过来了~~~晕噢

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-14 21:25:11

ft... 要不是看见有人也写这篇我都快把我这篇忘了

快交作业！[needle咆哮中]

都还没人给改呢！

作者: thorpe 时间: 2004-4-14 21:51:43

我也刚刚写了一篇，显然比不上楼主的，也请大家指导一下

Nowhere is modern debate more muddled than over the question of whether governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support they need in order to thrive. Partisans of different views have waged intermittent battles for a long time, leaving all players profoundly dissatisfied. Those who hold with this point assert that governments should do that because it is primarily in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated. As far as i am concerned, although governments should do this, above mentioned reason is not the main one.

Admittedly, the major cities of almost all countries secure prominent place both in economy, politics and cultural, but it is rash to say that the nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated. Because throughout the thousands years' development, almost all countries’ cultural centers have been changed. Each city is born, it culminates, and it decays. The city which the culture of one country origin from so every so often had come down and it had been no longer viewed as the major cities of its country for a long time. To illustrate, we even need go far to see a example in China. Anyang which is regarded as the first capital of dynasty Xia, plays an important role and leave indelible marks in the historical record of China. Of course the government should ensure it receive the financial support, but it is not one of the major cities, which maybe can not be called as city and just viewed as a county now. So it is obvious that the governments give the financial support to their major cities only because these cities are important to ensure a nation's cultural traditions.

At the same time, governments do need ensure that their major cities receive the financial support. Two factors weigh heavily to support this opinion. On one hand , those major cities are always views the symbols of one country. In order to erect the decent impression to the world, the government will endeavor to support these cities' pleas for development. Let us consider that which cities will attract more tourists of the world in a country, and experience teach us that the answer is those major cities. So the above issue is self-evident. On the other hand, because these cities usually own more advanced technology and equipments than the others, they , as a matter of fact, are always more efficient than the other cities, so it is do more benefit to the government if it ensure these major cities' request. A good example in case is that since the government can earn 20 millions by one billion dollars in New York and just 2 millions in another small city in USA, it is no doubt that the government would not hesitate a moment to prefer the former.

To sum up, even one did not know from concrete examples, one could deduce it from the above discussion that governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support in order to thrive. But it lends little, if not nothing, to benefit the preservation of a nation's cultural traditions.

作者: ArmArm 时间: 2004-4-14 22:35:46

up一下

作者: lovebrian 时间: 2004-4-14 22:46:00

Issue10
Governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support they need in order to thrive, because it is primarily in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated.

提纲：
1。部分同意：政府应该支持，否定城市保存发源文化传统
2。反驳城市保存发源文化传统
3。政府应该支持的两个理由：政府的责任，大城市重要地位
4。不能无节制支持，应当调节发展忽略了是否总是大城市，而非小城市或乡村！！姐姐没抓到点子，至少提纲！
5。总结

With the rapid economic development, cities play an increasingly significant role in the whole society and catch much more attention from people than before. The advocacy that governments must meet their major cities' need by offer financial support is somewhat reasonable but the reason provided that it is in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated seems ungrounded from my opinion.有点像阿狗

Above all, the claim that major cities have not only conserved but also generated much more of a nation's traditions than other places is open to doubt我晕！真的是阿狗——强烈建议不要写成这样. As a common sense, from one aspect, the urbanization serves to establish so called "international metropolises", which absorb all kinds of alien cultures as part of their own. As a result, the big cities are going to be with more similarities although they are located in different places on the earth. For instance, Shanghai, one of the major cities in China, is such a typical international metropolis, but what you can see there is something almost same to New Yorksomething是什么？说出来啊. Towers though stand on the land of Shanghai, are designed by famous European or American or Japanese最后一个用or，前面是不是可以换成逗号 architects; reputed brands appear in the departments as common as in every other big city out of China. We cannot make sense to long for an indeed Chinese style there传统的chinese style是什么？现在的是什么？为什么都不说透呢. The process of urbanization might do more on depriving the traditions from the major cities of a nation.论述城市化趋同性的现象，感觉说得太多了，而且没有点到：文化传统究竟如何了。建筑风格西化就能说明一切？那义务！ From another aspect, it is more likely that不是说阿狗阿！晕死！为什么不说：然而，的确好多乡村和小城市如何如何……说个可能性有啥用啊？你这是立论文，不是驳论文FTFTFT countryside or small towns rather than major cities do help to preserve and generate a country's traditions, due to the less impact on them exerted by the urbanization process. Much less invaded and colonized by the foreign cultures, these relatively small sites may keep more customs original. When Beijing's historical civilian houses, which carry some kind of traditional life style, are demolished, to people’s surprise, Pingyao, a very small town gradually becomes celebrated for its preserving of those under a sound situation. So it is primarily in places other than major cities that a nation's culture could be preserved and generated.连个TS都没有！

Although the reason claimed is questionable我哭了……, governments still should support the cities within the extent it can reach for two causes. On the one hand, a government has the responsibility to buttress major cities in finance. Since government is an institution to deal with national affairs and plan for the future development of the whole state, it is its obligation to try its best to meet the needs of every part of the nation, of course enveloping the major cities. On the other hand, major cities are the most important source of national taxes income, so the extent of how they are developed is relative to the whole country's financial situation. As the bone of the country, major cities need appropriations large enough to launch their plans toward the goal to be more prosperous. As an illustration, without the government’s subsidy, it is entirely impossible for Athens to win the chance to hold the Olympic Games in 2004 and due to this, the whole country would enjoy the benefits brought about by the Games. So it is meaningful to meet their needs in finance for further and faster developments.正文写得还不错

However, such a point does not stand for immoderate content to the major cities这个句子没看懂. When country is taken into account as a whole, including major cities, small towns and countryside, it would be unwise to give major cites permanent priority to others without a well-rounded consideration about the reality. For example, should a country like Uganda put its people who are mostly living out of cities and in famine aside and empty its purse to meet its capital’s needs? A big NO would be the only answer写得真随意阿 ;) . What is more essential of governments’ work is to reach a coordinated development of major cities, small cites, towns and countryside in the scope of the whole country. A state in a situation with palmy big cities only is somewhat like a lame person, who can merely advance by dragging his hurt leg slowly and arduously. So governments should not focus narrowly on the development of major cities and give them financial supports with overlooking the full view. 嗯也还说得过去

In sum, governments surely should appropriate to the major cities and meet their needs under a condition that such subsidies neither are beyond the governments’ capability, nor do harm to the coordinated development of the whole country. But instead of the reason that a nation’s cultural traditions are primarily preserved and generated in them, this support is with an eye to prompt the major cities to make progress and then, to propel the whole economic development of the nation.（775words你想怎么样？ :p ）

很显然，又超时了……继续努力吧！！！！没什么别的好说的了。

补：夜里太困了，有几个单复数之类的问题刚才才修改好。改了个别的一两个词。请看吧！
思路没问题~~比提纲写得清楚！
但是！！
为什么把树写成个狗样呢？confused!!!!!!!!!!!!

作者: bqjie 时间: 2004-4-14 23:41:34

这道我写过，，可惜没人看，，呜呜

我觉得注意一点是topic是一个因果关系的论题，在这一点上是否可以看出一个assumption就是支持城市是为了保护文化？？所以在论述的时候是不是应该始终切入文化传统这个主题来写呢？而文章的body2完全是从另外一个角度去论述了，

然后最后一段又来个城市是否支持的让步，偏离了关于文化传统的讨论

所以整个文章看起来显得不够有凝聚感，我觉得每个body的观点至少是上下承接有逻辑关系在内的。
最后一个问题？？？这样的因果的题目是不是应该从因果关系处入手呢？？needle的文章给人感觉就是在讨论两个问题，最后总结再拉回来。。

一点小意见不知道是否得当。。。。。

作者: casablanca 时间: 2004-4-14 23:52:54

Issue10
Governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support they need in order to thrive, because it is primarily in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated.

提纲：
1。部分同意：政府应该支持，否定城市保存发源文化传统
2。反驳城市保存发源文化传统
3。政府应该支持的两个理由：政府的责任，大城市重要地位
4。不能无节制支持，应当调节发展
5。总结

With the rapid economic development, cities play an increasingly significant role in the whole society and catch much more attention from people than before. The advocacy that governments must meet their major cities' need by offer financial support is somewhat reasonable but the reason provided that it is in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated seems ungrounded from my opinion.

Above all, the claim that major cities have not only conserved but also generated much more of a nation's traditions than other places is open to doubt.（口可口可，前面很像狗狗的说，不过立场很清晰滴） As a common sense, from one aspect, the urbanization serves to establish so called "international metropolises", which absorb all kinds of alien cultures as part of their own. As a result, the big cities are going to be with（be with->share酱紫好8好？） more similarities although they are located in different places on the earth. For instance, Shanghai, one of the major cities in China, is such a typical international metropolis（上海好像还算不得，借个好象要求外籍常住人口比例的说，题外话哈 :cool: ）, but（为什么转折嘞？） what you can see there is something almost same to New York. Towers though stand on the land of Shanghai, are designed by famous European or American or Japanese architects; reputed brands appear in the departments as common as in every other big city out of China（介个说法...）. We cannot make sense to long for an indeed Chinese style there. The process of urbanization might do more on depriving the traditions from the major cities of a nation. From another aspect, it is more likely that countryside or small towns rather than major cities do help to preserve and generate a country's traditions, due to the less impact on them exerted by the urbanization process. Much less invaded and colonized（！） by the foreign cultures, these relatively small sites may keep more customs original. When Beijing's historical civilian houses, which carry some kind of traditional life style, are demolished, to people’s surprise, Pingyao, a very small town gradually becomes celebrated for its preserving of those（介个指代好远啊） under a sound situation. So it is primarily in places（？） other than major cities that a nation's culture could be preserved and generated.（这段重点应该是后半段8，感觉前面不用太详细，简单说明就好乐，有点喧宾夺主的说 :rolleyes: ）

Although the reason claimed is questionable, governments still should support the cities within the extent it can reach for two causes. On the one hand, a government has the responsibility to buttress major cities in finance. Since government is an institution to deal with national affairs and plan for the future development of the whole state, it is its obligation to try its best to meet the needs of every part of the nation, of course enveloping the major cities. On the other hand, major cities are the most important source of national taxes income, so the extent of how they are （可以直接用主动8？）developed is relative to the whole country's financial situation. As the bone of the country, major cities need appropriations large enough to launch their plans toward the goal to be more prosperous. As an illustration, without the government’s subsidy, it is entirely impossible for Athens to win the chance to hold the Olympic Games in 2004 and due to this, the whole country would enjoy the benefits brought about by the Games.（偶觉得介个例子用北京挺不赖滴 :p ） So it is meaningful to meet their（whose？） needs in finance for further and faster developments.

However, such a point does not stand for immoderate content to the major cities. When country is taken into account as a whole, including major cities, small towns and countryside, it would be unwise to give major cites permanent priority to others without a well-rounded consideration about the reality. For example, should a country like Uganda put its people who are mostly living out of cities and in famine aside and empty its purse to meet its capital’s needs? A big NO would be the only answer. （！）What is more essential of governments’ work is to reach a coordinated development of major cities, small cites, towns and countryside in the scope of the whole country. A state in a situation with palmy big cities only is somewhat like a lame person, who can merely advance by dragging his hurt leg slowly and arduously.（ :rolleyes: 不赖，忽然想到“木桶原理”是不是也可以用到这里？） So governments should not focus narrowly on the development of major cities and give them financial supports with overlooking the full view. 前面已经有一大段在说支持城市的好处，这段是不是可以从乡村不可忽视的角度来讲？又多了！

In sum, governments surely should appropriate to the major cities and meet their needs under a condition that such subsidies neither are beyond the governments’ capability, nor do harm to the coordinated development of the whole country. But instead of the reason that a nation’s cultural traditions are primarily preserved and generated in them, this support is with an eye to prompt the major cities to make progress and then, to propel the whole economic development of the nation.（775words）

很显然，又超时了……继续努力吧！！！！没什么别的好说的了。

补：夜里太困了，有几个单复数之类的问题刚才才修改好。改了个别的一两个词。请看吧！

needle的语言一直令人羡慕，学习学习！
如果是我写，大概会把应该支持城市发展的部分作为让步，略写
因为我感觉题目的重点是保护文化传统，needle提到滴很少

水平有限，仅供参考 :cool:

作者: markfan 时间: 2004-4-14 23:57:17 标题: 碰巧今天也模考了这篇，把提纲发来大家参考参考

同意
1、大城市有更多的文物古迹，代表一个国家的历史。比如北京
2、一种新思想新变革往往先从大城市开始。
3、大城市拥有主要的工商产业，创造大部分GDP等。就是说除了文化方面，经济方面更重要。
4、让步段，有时候偏远的乡村更完整地保存了一个民族的文化传统，但是也恰恰是偏远的特点保持了那些传统，过分的关注有时反倒会摧毁这些传统。

作者: LSD 时间: 2004-4-15 00:38:49

sorry to needle :p
昨天模了一篇arg感觉比issu还差，唉，所以这两天一直没看issue也没来得及看你的文章
不好意思拉

作者: benben429 时间: 2004-4-15 00:49:06

顶！明天来改！！

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 00:50:11

LSD MM太客气啦，我只是开玩笑来up一下的：）

谢谢楼上各位的指点……
仔细研究中

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 01:37:40

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]As a result, the big cities are going to be with（be with->share酱紫好8好？） more similarities [/B]

比我的好多了……我想了半天都没想起来share……

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]（上海好像还算不得，借个好象要求外籍常住人口比例的说，题外话哈）, but（为什么转折嘞？） what you can see there [/B]

哦？国际化大都市有特别要求？一点也不知道了……
but转折是因为“上海（在中国）”和“在那里看见的和New York没区别”有对比关系。当然用and也可以。我个人希望能让人感觉到对比，所以用but

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]reputed brands appear in the departments as common as in every other big city out of China（介个说法...）

colonized（！）
[/B]

这两个的意思？

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B] As an illustration, without the government’s subsidy, it is entirely impossible for Athens to win the chance to hold the Olympic Games in 2004 and due to this, the whole country would enjoy the benefits brought about by the Games.（偶觉得介个例子用北京挺不赖滴） So it is meaningful to meet their（whose？） needs in finance for further and faster developments.[/B]

已经用了上海了，所以觉得都用中国的不好，就用了雅典。
their的确指代不明，改之the major cities'

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]A state in a situation with palmy big cities only is somewhat like a lame person, who can merely advance by dragging his hurt leg slowly and arduously.（不赖，忽然想到“木桶原理”是不是也可以用到这里？）[/B]

是说短木板的那个原理吗？嗯，很好啊！！！可惜我不会写……

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]前面已经有一大段在说支持城市的好处，这段是不是可以从乡村不可忽视的角度来讲？又多了！[/B]

这个……我写的时候考虑了……问题在于major cities的对立面不是countryside，而是countryside+small cities+towns，我已经把small cities等同于towns了，但那还是有两个。如果背面敷粉，光说countryside的作用是不行的，还要说towns，这是很难写的！！！（个人理解没有那么深刻）。这一段我主要目的是写要协调发展，只要说明逛发展major cities 不行应该就可以了。

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]needle的语言一直令人羡慕，学习学习！
如果是我写，大概会把应该支持城市发展的部分作为让步，略写
因为我感觉题目的重点是保护文化传统，needle提到滴很少

水平有限，仅供参考 [/B]

卡萨布兰卡太谦虚了。

题目的因果关系很容易驳倒，但是重要的是后面的论述应该侧重于哪里。根据英文的习惯，主句表达的意思永远是最主要的，从句的意思都是辅助的，所以我判断这道题的主要立论应该在于该不该支持major cities，而不在于为了保护文化传统支持谁。

说的不对的地方，欢迎继续探讨。

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 01:41:44

最初由 bqjie 发布
[B]这道我写过，，可惜没人看，，呜呜

我觉得注意一点是topic是一个因果关系的论题，在这一点上是否可以看出一个assumption就是支持城市是为了保护文化？？所以在论述的时候是不是应该始终切入文化传统这个主题来写呢？而文章的body2完全是从另外一个角度去论述了，

然后最后一段又来个城市是否支持的让步，偏离了关于文化传统的讨论

所以整个文章看起来显得不够有凝聚感，我觉得每个body的观点至少是上下承接有逻辑关系在内的。
最后一个问题？？？这样的因果的题目是不是应该从因果关系处入手呢？？needle的文章给人感觉就是在讨论两个问题，最后总结再拉回来。。

一点小意见不知道是否得当。。。。。[/B]

bqjie请看一下上面我回复卡萨布兰卡的帖子最后一部分对于题目的分析。题目是个因果关系，我的立场就是部分同意，同意其果，不同意其因，所以下面要论证我为什么同意又为什么不同意。思路是打破因果关系在先，论证立场在后。

你说得对,body之间应该有联系。我感觉要做好这一点很难。我的body1,2之间只有body2开头的句子做了过渡，可能感觉很不够？

继续努力之。

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 01:44:01

最初由 thorpe 发布
[B]我也刚刚写了一篇，显然比不上楼主的，也请大家指导一下

[/B]

thorpe不要太谦虚。你的文章我已经改在你自己开的帖子里面了。
一起加油。

作者: casablanca 时间: 2004-4-15 02:08:43

1。in every other big city out of China介个我也说不清楚，只是当时读到的时候感觉怪怪滴，现在又想不出为虾米？
2。“！”表是我觉得前面滴部分很出彩，已经被我偷去乐！ :D
3。北京的例子是我临时想到滴，当然如果我前面不用上海的话
P.S. 国际都市我只是听说过，现在很难考证乐，不过这样用肯定没问题乐，全国人民都酱紫说滴！
4。just as how much water can a bucket hold is depend on the length of the shortest slab of it rather than that of the longest.刚刚编的 ;) 看看能说明白不？
5。我考虑了你说的观点，研究了下题目，觉得很有道理哦，而且个人感觉些支持大城市发展比写保护乡村历史文化传统来得容易呵 :cool: roger！

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 02:40:10

最初由 casablanca 发布
[B]4。just as how much water can a bucket hold is depend on the length of the shortest slab of it rather than that of the longest.刚刚编的看看能说明白不？
5。我考虑了你说的观点，研究了下题目，觉得很有道理哦，而且个人感觉些支持大城市发展比写保护乡村历史文化传统来得容易呵 roger！B]

呵呵，4是不是应该把it换成木桶：）

的确写支持大城市比后者好写，关键我还是想强调这应该是topic的重点所在（主句）：）

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 10:43:24

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]有点像阿狗

Above all, the claim that major cities have not only conserved but also generated much more of a nation's traditions than other places is open to doubt我晕！真的是阿狗——强烈建议不要写成这样.[/B]

这个……partly agree难道不要分别写明agree和disagree的理由吗？这个我下面再跟你细细讨论。

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]but what you can see there is something almost same to New Yorksomething是什么？说出来啊.[/B]

性急啊你! 后面不是紧跟着举例说明了么，楼，商店……maybe不太够？

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]传统的chinese style是什么？现在的是什么？为什么都不说透呢.[/B]

ft....这个……虽然有一定道理，但那就不知道要多少篇幅了……

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]论述城市化趋同性的现象，感觉说得太多了，而且没有点到：文化传统究竟如何了。建筑风格西化就能说明一切？那义务！ [/B]

再说我naive我跟你死磕……西西
可能篇幅布局有点不合适……我再想想。

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]From another aspect, it is more likely that不是说阿狗阿！晕死！为什么不说：然而，的确好多乡村和小城市如何如何……说个可能性有啥用啊？你这是立论文，不是驳论文FTFTFT countryside or small towns rather than major cities do help to preserve and generate a country's traditions[/B]

roger that!

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]连个TS都没有！[/B]

这个？我写了，首句就是，不过你说像狗……maybe你觉得那不是立场？ok...把尾句挪过去……

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]Although the reason claimed is questionable我哭了……, [/B]/QUOTE]
别哭……我上一段证明的就是这个……所以这么说……

[QUOTE]最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]However, such a point does not stand for immoderate content to the major cities这个句子没看懂. [/B]

啊？然而，这样一个观点并不代表着对主要城市无节制的满足。

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]A big NO would be the only answer写得真随意阿 . [/B]

是不好吗？

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]（775words你想怎么样？ :p ）[/B]

我想不超时……西西

最初由 lovebrian 发布
[B]思路没问题~~比提纲写得清楚！
但是！！
为什么把树写成个狗样呢？confused!!!!!!!!!!!![/B]

我快笑晕了也快气晕了……

接着上面的话题讨论吧，当你选择的椰树的立场是partly agree的时候，是不是需要分别对agree和disagree进行证明？支持之，反驳之。

不过一路回帖子下来，我想了很多，有点明白你的意思了。我应该照应我的TS，否定其reason，而不是仅仅说起questionable，应当明确态度。roger that。body1的开头句到没有大的问题，不过最好还是照你说的，有明确的TS。

body2的首句应当顺承并强调body1的反驳。

tks....:)

作者: lovebrian 时间: 2004-4-15 10:52:04

哎`~~对了！
把我这个批的顺下来再看看~~就清楚多了
建筑的东西能说明得不多~~~
嘿嘿

作者: needle 时间: 2004-4-15 10:56:42 标题: Re: 碰巧今天也模考了这篇，把提纲发来大家参考参考

最初由 markfan 发布
[B]同意
1、大城市有更多的文物古迹，代表一个国家的历史。比如北京
2、一种新思想新变革往往先从大城市开始。
3、大城市拥有主要的工商产业，创造大部分GDP等。就是说除了文化方面，经济方面更重要。
4、让步段，有时候偏远的乡村更完整地保存了一个民族的文化传统，但是也恰恰是偏远的特点保持了那些传统，过分的关注有时反倒会摧毁这些传统。[/B]

1.有问题。（这是不能保证的）
4和1和主题有部分冲突，而且，看不出对主题的帮助（是想证明即便乡村保存传统，也不应该投资给那里吗？这显然是个谬论）

3是想写thrive了，2我也没看明白和主题的关系……

作者: bqjie 时间: 2004-4-15 14:49:48

我觉得needle说的关于因果关系的说法很有道理啊。但是在回应主句的时候至少不能完全脱离从句吧，，，我看了老外280篇里对这个题目的分析，我觉得比较到位，，可以借鉴一下
The speaker's claim is actually threefold: (1) ensuring the survival of large cities and, in turn,
that of cultural traditions, is a proper function of government; (2) government support is needed
for our large dries and cultural traditions to survive and thrive; and (3) cultural traditions are
preserved and generated primarily in our large cities.

为什么可以写这么多字啊。。。我限时写到500多点也就是极限了，，赞。。。。。呜呜

作者: ar007 时间: 2004-4-15 15:28:42

needle的作文和话题是值得讨论底。
早上复习的提纲，还是觉得不够好。
POSITION：支持给大城市FANACIAL SUPPORT，但是论据不是因为大城市有文化传统，而是因为有经济中心作用。乡村的传统也需要SUPPORT
1。大城市的经济重要性，需要支持使其繁荣
2。大城市往往是现代文化的集中，而不是传统文化
3。传统在乡村保存，需要支持

作者: ggxinxin 时间: 2004-8-5 14:49:49 标题: [请求]issue10 needle about your essay[请求]

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... 10&pagenumber=1
10"Governments must ensure that their major cities receive the financial support they need in order to thrive, because it is primarily in cities that a nation's cultural traditions are preserved and generated."
your syllabus
提纲：
1。部分同意：政府应该支持，否定城市保存发源文化传统
2。反驳城市保存发源文化传统
3。政府应该支持的两个理由：政府的责任，大城市重要地位
4。不能无节制支持，应当调节发展
5。总结

I feel that you do not speak out the " generate"
in the first Paragraph , you only say : A. the urbanization serves to establish so called "international metropolises", which absorb all kinds of alien cultures as part of their own.
B.it is more likely that countryside or small towns rather than major cities do help to preserve and generate a country's traditions, due to the less impact on them exerted by the urbanization process.

So, I am confused about your essay. How about the generate? Though your TS mentioned it.

only ask for your help.

By the way, your sentence is very excellent. And you have many interesting discusion with the lovebrain.

^_^

作者: CDF 时间: 2004-8-5 16:09:36

needle姐的文章太厉害了，不知道9.1考试以前能不能无限接近~~hoho ：）
我觉得issue里面牵涉到文化的东东让人头痛，其实我想写任何一篇issue的时候，如果没有办法从正面下手，只要主体线路是明确的，没有必要拘泥与某个题目细节，你所同意的就少许介绍一下，重点放在不同意的地方，无论你从什么方面哪个角度，阐述你的观点，只要有理有据，那么你的思想就体现出来了：）

我是这样认为的~呵呵

作者: ggxinxin 时间: 2004-8-6 02:28:02

But I do not think that she give up the " generate" is right, which is very important aspects in the topic.
Yeah, may be we should focus on the whole level of the issue.
but, but.......555

作者: 九月爱上乒乓球 时间: 2004-8-6 11:16:44

there is something wrong with needle 's computer.

作者: ggxinxin 时间: 2004-8-6 12:32:33

Thank you.
hehe ^_^

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