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作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-17 16:36:38     标题: 文科背景，转sociology已经拿到offer啦~

本帖最后由 thisissherry 于 2017-1-31 22:58 编辑

帖子最初是问大家要不要陶瓷的，重新编辑下内容供大家参考，非常感谢楼下各位前辈的回复！
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lz背景：
国内985本：major law, minor econ, 海硕llm。
申ECON phd也是想做一些 交叉学科和政策性的东西, develop和labor方向。
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按照各位前辈的建议，调整方向看pp项目和比较偏pp的econ项目，如果大家有相关指点、信息、经验分享，还请不吝赐教。再次感谢！
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已经拿到想要的phd in sociology offer啦，找到自己想做的方向还是蛮重要的，申请下来的经验是觉得match最重要。
文科phd尤其不容易，不是要陶瓷到一个prof，而是要征服一整个committee。要说服committee我可以cover你们系很多prof的interests，来了就能给你们干活创造价值，你看我是不是很棒……大概酱紫的思路。
作者: ωκδεθψ    时间: 2016-2-17 17:26:10

typically经济学套磁没用...
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-17 17:45:16

ωκδεθψ 发表于 2016-2-17 17:26
typically经济学套磁没用...

好哒，感谢回复！
作者: PUBRY    时间: 2016-2-17 22:19:40

ECON的话，套磁作用不大；不过对中国申请者而言，现在绝大多数ECON PHD偏好数学/物理/统计/计算机背景的，因为主流经济学非常数理...
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-17 22:54:51

PUBRY 发表于 2016-2-17 22:19
ECON的话，套磁作用不大；不过对中国申请者而言，现在绝大多数ECON PHD偏好数学/物理/统计/计算机背景的，因 ...

感谢回复！求问law背景，数学弱还有没有活路…… T^T
作者: feng10793    时间: 2016-2-18 00:47:06

why not apply for some Policy programs ? I think that's your best fit.
作者: braveheart_1987    时间: 2016-2-18 01:01:52

你也可以申请应用经济系和农业经济系，不过有些这类系对数理背景很重视，有些则对你的背景和研究兴趣看重些。
作者: PUBRY    时间: 2016-2-18 01:47:11

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thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-17 22:54
感谢回复！求问law背景，数学弱还有没有活路…… T^T


数学弱建议申请POLICY/POLITICS...
或者建议读个Econ master或者stat/math master补充一下背景

P.S. 楼主，你没有Econ/math背景去申请Econ PhD也是蛮勇敢的
作者: jianghaha    时间: 2016-2-18 01:55:00

PUBRY 发表于 2016-02-18 01:47


数学弱建议申请POLICY/POLITICS...
政治数学差还能去的只有一种人 就是理论功底逆天的 微笑
作者: bsyben    时间: 2016-2-18 08:45:37

可以试试Public Policy
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-18 15:06:00

本帖最后由 thisissherry 于 2017-1-31 04:49 编辑

非常非常感谢楼上各位的指点和回复！
作者: ＨＥ→赫γ    时间: 2016-2-19 05:13:28

不想说什么了。。。。不是泼冷水，楼主还是转投policy方向吧。。。。你的背景就算录了也survive不了的。。。。我就是法学本转econ phd的不过我数学和经济课程比你多一些＝ ＝所有econ phd都是highly quantitative的。。。。数学吃力的话真的不要读econ了。。。。
作者: cheesechan    时间: 2016-2-19 08:20:07

本帖最后由 cheesechan 于 2016-2-19 08:25 编辑
thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-18 15:06
非常非常感谢楼上各位的指点和回复！
lz背景是 国内985本，major law minor econ，双学位econ就是很水的那 ...


簡單點說，建議重申開始選科選校。
就當之前甚麼也沒有申請過就行了。

至於申public policy 類3可行性如何，建議出門轉右去鄰版發帖。

P.S. 申PhD也能這樣靠中介的，建議先行三思清楚自己有沒有做研究的興趣和能力。我個人是不看好的。
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 11:38:56

cheesechan 发表于 2016-2-19 08:20
簡單點說，建議重申開始選科選校。
就當之前甚麼也沒有申請過就行了。

谢谢回复！非常感谢您的建议
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 11:42:26

ＨＥ→赫γ 发表于 2016-2-19 05:13
不想说什么了。。。。不是泼冷水，楼主还是转投policy方向吧。。。。你的背景就算录了也survive不了的。。。 ...

非常感谢！不知道能不能私信请教下，先谢谢！
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 15:57:20

feng10793 发表于 2016-2-18 00:47
why not apply for some Policy programs ? I think that's your best fit.

Thank you very much!
I'll consider to apply for pp program next year if not admitted this year.
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 16:04:45

braveheart_1987 发表于 2016-2-18 01:01
你也可以申请应用经济系和农业经济系，不过有些这类系对数理背景很重视，有些则对你的背景和研究兴趣看重些 ...

感谢回复！我随后关注下应用和农经项目有没有对文科背景有一定关注度的项目。

由于真的很无知……还请不要嫌弃，我再追问下，是不是按照ranking来挨个筛去看项目？我有关注到econphd这样的网站。http://econphd.econwiki.com/rankings.htm 也是想不到更好的寻找方法，如果方便的话还请指点！谢谢啦！
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 16:10:01

PUBRY 发表于 2016-2-18 01:47
数学弱建议申请POLICY/POLITICS...
或者建议读个Econ master或者stat/math master补充一下背景

谢谢回复，我开始看pp或者econ偏pp的项目了，真的是无知者无畏，盲目申请，现在了解越多越怕。
我今年没申请MA，要读ma的话，可能会读不起…>< 所以还是考虑在现有个人基础上，寻找愿意要我的phd项目了……
请问如果申请pp或者偏pp的econ项目，我是不是还是着重补充下math背景？还是争取在比较match的方向上努力，如果能做一些成果出来更加有用呢？
谢谢啦！
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 16:11:29

bsyben 发表于 2016-2-18 08:45
可以试试Public Policy

谢谢回复，已经开始研究pp或者 偏pp导向的econ项目。
谢啦！
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 16:14:17

另外弱问下各位前辈，econ项目里面哪些 policy导向更强一些？

我目前只有关注到雪城的econ phd（我也不确定申请难度，也许完全是我能力不及，求轻拍哈）。

各位还有其他项目和学校的推荐的话，请多指点，非常感谢！
作者: cheesechan    时间: 2016-2-19 20:17:34

本帖最后由 cheesechan 于 2016-2-19 20:21 编辑
thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-19 16:14
另外弱问下各位前辈，econ项目里面哪些 policy导向更强一些？

我目前只有关注到雪城的econ phd（我也不确 ...


For any PhD in economics department,  please kindly list out ur grade in:
Calculus III, aka multivariate calculus
Linear algebra
Calculus based probability
Proof based statistics
Intermediate micro
Intermediate macro
Econometrics

If u lack any one of them,  it will be a hard time to apply for any academics econ master,  not to mention PhD

P.S. what i mean is indeed....also forget econ phd with policy focus.  Their math requirement is slightly lower but still sounds higher than what u have.
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 21:02:35

cheesechan 发表于 2016-2-19 20:17
For any PhD in economics department,  please kindly list out ur grade in:
Calculus III, aka mul ...

谢谢cheesechan回复！

是syr的情况么？我没有找到这部分，只是看到他们说到“Applications from all interested individuals are welcome. Current graduate students have varied undergraduate backgrounds, including economics, other social sciences, and mathematics. Completion of a master's degree in economics is not required to enter a Ph.D. program, and most students do not obtain an M.A. degree before entering the Ph.D. program.” 还小激动了一会儿，我再认真研究之，谢谢！
作者: cheesechan    时间: 2016-2-19 21:07:29

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thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-19 21:02
谢谢cheesechan回复！

是syr的情况么？我没有找到这部分，只是看到他们说到“Applications from all i ...


1. Of course they welcome application from all field.........because it is application fee from all fields.

http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/econ.aspx?id=794
"Emerging graduate students should have had at least a year of calculus, a course in mathematical statistics, and a course in linear algebra."

This is only the bare minimum requirement for admission, and most student have more than this since admission is competitive.
Not to mention most Chinese / non-Western student have way more than the average.

P.S. On the softer side of economics, what is relevant can be some social science stuffs, e.g. law, politics.
A Chinese education on these discipline are way more weaker than the US counterparty from the Western point of view (in average) due to political / value /education system difference, especially when compared to the difference in mathematics education.


2. It is quite that US students go to PhD directly after their Bachelor without any master, since the US top students had already engaged into some research project during their senior years, and able to get strong recommendation letter from a US professors (from the desired field, i.e. economics ---> economics, phy ---> phy).

This is not the case for those outside US (unless one can find strong reference that has connection in some US school, which is very likely in the same filed).


3. If you want to do a PhD in any economics department, make up your quantitative background first. Mainstream economics use mathematics as their language.
You need at least one more degree for proving this.


4. Even you are going on the more applied / policy side of it, they still use a lot of econometrics to support the stuffs empirical. It is not necessarily that you have to know all the statistical tools, but at least you have master quite some of them, and show that you have such potential to learn the rest, i.e. show them your grade in some UG statistics course like mathematical statistics, probability, econometrics, time series and etc... are very useful.

5. I will doubt if you GPA are good enough to support you for a PhD also. I mean a PhD in the same field as your bachelor and master. Of course I don't have enough information to judge, so just a doubt.
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-19 21:50:28

cheesechan 发表于 2016-2-19 21:07
1. Of course they welcome application from all field.........because it is application fee from  ...

Dear Cheesechan,
Thank you very much! It is so nice of you to confirm the math requirement of this program for me, and thank you for your insightful opinions. I now understand that without further study in math, I am basically not qualified for any econ PhD program (or even ma program).

I used to think that at least I received legal training from different jurisdictions (mainland china, Taiwan and UK), which could be useful for some policy oriented research and enable me to get into some econ PhD programs. As long as I survive the first year’s study I’ll be doing my dissertation, which could have an interdisciplinary topic.

However, I didn’t pay attention to the widely and intense application of math in econ study, which is also the hardcore requirement for judging applicants. Neither did I know how u.s. professors evaluate Chinese education of social science, including Law.

So I want to thank you for these answers. I’ll just stop struggling for this year’s application in econ PhD and try to gather more info about pp and be prepared. Thank you! I really appreciate your help.

作者: cheesechan    时间: 2016-2-19 21:57:44

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thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-19 21:50
Dear Cheesechan,
Thank you very much! It is so nice of you to confirm the math requirement of thi ...


Some remarks.

1. I am not in public policy myself, so I may be wrong......but as far as I know, public policy stuffs has a lower mathematics requirement in general, and I guess you should try it.

2. I believe that a legal training is very useful in social science research, but for economics, legal alone is not enough. They talk in numbers.

3. I am not quite sure about applied economics, or agricultural economics departments. But I guess they still need more mathematics than you have.

4. With no university maths training before, it is next to impossible to survive the 1st year of a econ PhD. Have a look in MWG (Microeconomic Theory by Andreu Mas-Colell, Michael D. Whinston and Jerry R. Green, a common PhD micro core textbook) and have a taste of it.

5. Law may be better......well, as least better than those doing politics I guess....(P.S. imagine what they will think about doing legal study in a country that is ruled by man instead of law.....of course this can be a biased view, but a biased view need time and evidence to counter it.)

6. Normally, it is not a problem at all to go from the former to the later, but way more difficult in the reverse direction: math, stat, econ, policy.
作者: braveheart_1987    时间: 2016-2-19 22:53:08

thisissherry 发表于 2016-2-19 16:04
感谢回复！我随后关注下应用和农经项目有没有对文科背景有一定关注度的项目。

由于真的很无知……还请 ...

一般是找你喜欢的项目然后找项目下的老师，看他们做的什么研究你感兴趣。比较费时也能够让你对所申请项目了解快些的也就是逐个搜索了。
作者: ＨＥ→赫γ    时间: 2016-2-20 13:10:46

补充一下除了最低要求的线性代数，微积分，数理统计外，作为一个中国学生缺少了随机 时间序列分析 微方 博弈，最优化理论以及grad level的微观 宏观的话，那么基本上top50 phd项目也是没戏的。。。。。top30项目的话一个A－以上的实分析 和高级宏微观也是必备的。。。。。。
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-20 13:50:47

ＨＥ→赫γ 发表于 2016-2-20 13:10
补充一下除了最低要求的线性代数，微积分，数理统计外，作为一个中国学生缺少了随机 时间序列分析 微方 博弈 ...

感谢前辈啊>‘’<

我研究了一遍你发的所有贴，你在各个方面特别是econ和math都比我强太多太多了，所以我大概就本申请季默默炮灰，想办法弥补自己的短板。谢谢你给的list和参考线，感恩！
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-20 13:53:16

braveheart_1987 发表于 2016-2-19 22:53
一般是找你喜欢的项目然后找项目下的老师，看他们做的什么研究你感兴趣。比较费时也能够让你对所申请项目 ...

好的，感谢！我也问了一下在公共管理学院的朋友，他们建议也是参考ranking逐个挖掘。已经行动起来了。
谢谢啦！:)
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-20 14:05:04

cheesechan 发表于 2016-2-19 21:57
Some remarks.

1. I am not in public policy myself, so I may be wrong......but as far as I kno ...

Thank you sooooooo much!
Never imagined I could get this much useful information within only 2-3days!
I'll be working on these suggestions in the following months, and hopefully to get into a program 17 fall. (Either ma or PhD) I'll probably encounter other problems in the future, which I would keep adding to this post. It would be my honor to receive further suggestions from you.
Thank you again for all your answers to me. Have a nice weekend! :)
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2016-2-21 17:55:13

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作者: thisissherry    时间: 2017-1-31 04:47:42

谢谢各位~
作者: thisissherry    时间: 2017-1-31 04:54:49

本帖最后由 thisissherry 于 2017-1-31 04:57 编辑

已经拿到想要去的学校 sociology phd offer啦！ 谢谢各位去年的帮助~
作者: 道口合肥    时间: 2017-1-31 06:29:09

thisissherry 发表于 2017-1-31 04:54
已经拿到想要去的学校 sociology phd offer啦！ 谢谢各位去年的帮助~

恭喜LZ！请分享下你的经验吧~洗耳恭听
作者: sahza    时间: 2017-2-13 12:02:03

恭喜！感觉和楼主关注的有些类似，期待楼主的故事~



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