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标题: ２０１６年法学院毕业生，进大律师楼的信息 [打印本页]
作者: JD@UVA    时间: 2017-3-7 22:52:02     标题: ２０１６年法学院毕业生，进大律师楼的信息

本帖最后由 JD@UVA 于 2017-3-7 23:08 编辑

Law school class of 2016 employment data

NW, Cornell and Duke are doing great. Not so for UPenn this year.

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作者: dwww    时间: 2017-3-7 23:58:55

西北康城威武
作者: oyxy1111    时间: 2017-3-8 00:06:32

57!逆天的哥大
作者: Artful_Dodger    时间: 2017-3-8 04:02:23

oyxy1111 发表于 2017-3-7 10:06
57!逆天的哥大

感觉我身边的人一个个都没有意愿进biglaw
作者: whxiaofeizai    时间: 2017-3-13 09:22:59

It may be a result of self-selection. Yale is not yet on the list, but everyone knows that Yale is better than all on the list.
作者: Neil888    时间: 2017-3-14 19:24:39

不一定能反映出什么，毕竟老美也有很多人会选择进法院做clerkship，还有去做public interest的。
作者: lemiles65    时间: 2017-3-14 19:43:06

JD优等生主要去向是法院clerkship，clerkship看成是美国法律实践的强化培训，所以对于JD学生在美国法律系统里的长期职业发展显得格外值钱。老美JD毕业直接去biglaw的，主要是些没有职业规划和人生抱负的二三流学生，毕业后能马上赚点儿小钱然后再随时失业，一直在自生自灭的状态里。Clerkship一般只要在法学院成绩top1-5%的学生，哈佛成绩top20％左右也能抢到一些clerkship，耶鲁top32%可以申请到clerkship，这才是yale常年霸占美国排名第一法学院的厉害之处。
作者: 路人姨    时间: 2017-3-15 11:36:38

Artful_Dodger 发表于 2017-3-8 04:02
感觉我身边的人一个个都没有意愿进biglaw

莫非你在密歇根
作者: zhuyuping    时间: 2017-3-15 11:51:52

我目光短浅，能进big law就很知足了
作者: Secapham    时间: 2017-3-15 12:25:20

lemiles65 发表于 2017-3-14 19:43
JD优等生主要去向是法院clerkship，clerkship看成是美国法律实践的强化培训，所以对于JD学生在美国法律系统 ...

Clerkship出来以后去律所的，和毕业直接去律所的，之后职业发展有什么不一样吗？我也是看到身边很多美国同学做这个
作者: Neil888    时间: 2017-3-15 18:50:19

Secapham 发表于 2017-3-15 12:25
Clerkship出来以后去律所的，和毕业直接去律所的，之后职业发展有什么不一样吗？我也是看到身边很多美国同 ...


至少人脉不一样吧。
作者: JD@UVA    时间: 2017-3-15 22:46:37

本帖最后由 JD@UVA 于 2017-3-16 01:25 编辑

一孔之见: 说到 clerkship，２０１５年送去当 court clerk 人数和比例最高的学校不是耶鲁 (78 students, 36.6%)。比例最高的学校是 Seton Hall (101 students, 52.1%)！人数最高的学校是 Rutgers (152 students, 38.2%)。见下面的连接：

2015 Year Employment

所以，not all "clerks" are equal。On the one hand, clerkship at a local traffic court or small claim court is almost worthless. On the other hand, clerkship at the U.S. Supreme Court is always the crown jewel for any JD graduates! However, not many Chinese JD graduates have become clerks at federal courts, let alone the U.S. Supreme Court. For UVa, it ranked No. 4 in recent years by the number of Supreme Court clerks (between 2-4 students per year) behind Yale, Stanford and Harvard. Not bad for a public school! Granted, most of these Supreme Court clerks are white students. Some of them were children of U.S. judges.

In short, clership is just like employment in the private sector: there is BigLaw; there is shitlaw!

另外，当 clerk 的 JD 毕业生如果以后去当法官、教授、大趴或者去做诉讼，当 court clerk 的经验的确有用。但如果是去做普通律师，拉客户的本领最有用。:lol
作者: Artful_Dodger    时间: 2017-3-15 22:53:35

路人姨 发表于 2017-3-14 21:36
莫非你在密歇根

是啊，他们问我以后想干什么，我说biglaw，他们说：interesting ~~~
作者: JD@UVA    时间: 2017-3-15 22:59:20

本帖最后由 JD@UVA 于 2017-3-16 01:27 编辑

One twist: considering the mayhem created by President Trump, it is conceivable that more 2017-and-later JD graduates may be attracted to non-profit organizations (especially those related to immigration, ethics, environment, human rights, watchdogs, etc.) than in year 2016. President Trump and his crews are creating legal jobs (mainly for Americans, but if you won the H-1B visa lottery, you can join the ensuing legal fights at least for now). I was told that in an October meeting for in-house counsels (hundreds of attendees!), the attendees were asked to show their hands for their pick of the U.S. Presidential candidates (Clinton or Trump). Only a handful supported Trump at that time.

:lol
作者: lemiles65    时间: 2017-3-15 23:15:57

JD@UVA 发表于 2017-3-15 22:46
一孔之见: 说到 clerkship，２０１５年送去当 court clerk 人数和比例最高的学校不是耶鲁 (78 students, 36 ...

这个都是基本常识，就不要拿出来误导人了。
美国采取两套联邦和州立法律系统，各州法院clerkship基本一致。
特例就是NJ新泽西州，Seton Hall，RUTGETS，都在这个州，因为新泽西州Clerkship系统和全美联邦及州常规clerkship系统不一样，所以同州烂校RUTGERS也还有150多个Clerkship。由于是特例，全美法学院在排名时也会把新泽西州法学院clerkship因素剔除掉。
作者: JD@UVA    时间: 2017-3-15 23:27:04

本帖最后由 JD@UVA 于 2017-3-16 01:28 编辑

Quote: "Clerkship一般只要在法学院成绩top1-5%的学生"

Really?? Forget about law schools in NJ. There are many other schools (not in NJ and not YHS) send more than 10% of their JD students to federal clerkships on a regular basis.

:lol

It's like my "wiretapping" is not your "wiretapping."

As I disclosed in my response, not every clerkship is equal! It is a common practice among U.S. JD students in 1L OCI: when you missed the BigLaw ship, you may still catch some vacancies in the Clerkship wagon! Not so for Chinese JD students, at least for federal court clerkships (U.S. citizenship required).

That is the reality.

Quote: "这个都是基本常识，就不要拿出来误导人了。"

Isn't the above statement a paradox??

;P
作者: dirac198269    时间: 2017-3-16 11:23:08

JD@UVA 发表于 2017-3-15 22:46
一孔之见: 说到 clerkship，２０１５年送去当 court clerk 人数和比例最高的学校不是耶鲁 (78 students, 36 ...

UVA SCOTUS clerkship 确实非常强。Stanford去SCOTUS的好像不比UVA多几个人，远远落后与耶鲁哈佛。
作者: 阿泰    时间: 2017-3-16 17:33:18

Artful_Dodger 发表于 2017-3-15 22:53
是啊，他们问我以后想干什么，我说biglaw，他们说：interesting ~~~

哈哈 这个回答很意味深长:lol
作者: 阿泰    时间: 2017-3-16 17:35:05

记得有篇文章讲最高院的助理出来各个所都抢着要



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