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作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-9-26 18:49:54 标题: 18fall政治学求定位+PhD跳板困惑

LZ 国内前十某985行政管理/政治学大四在读，初步想法是未来在北美读PhD，有意愿继续做研究。基本情况是T 100左右，十一之后会刷最后一次，G10月考一次 11月考一次，只能祈祷有个可以用的成绩了。GPA 3.96/4

Quant方面只有大一一年的文科数学（微积分线性代数矩阵）90+  自己去了密西根的ICPSR选了贝叶斯和empirical model 但是分数拿不出手。。。参加了杜克大学主办的博弈论workshop 帮助老师组织了公共治理数据分析比赛学了些R Python
海外经历：大一在Cambridge 上了暑校，拿了奖学金  大二在UCB上了暑校选了政治社会学和美国政治两门课但是没要成绩。。

实习：在南方某新兴智库作助理，组织过学生论文论坛，零点咨询水实习

科研：JHU 能源与政治学教授RA 合写一篇论文在投（三作）休斯顿大学某研究computational social science政治学副教授RA 帮助收集文献数据etc. 学校某年轻老师国家社科基金项目RA 帮助组建政治精英数据库。自己有一个研究社会流动和社会运动的independent research 帮老师写了电子政务英文专著的一个chapter  公管的一本学生教材一部分

会议：两岸四地大学生公共管理会议  2017APSA 年会注册了短期课程 IAPSS（international association of political science students） world congress panelist discussant 2018MPSA 年会本科生iposter 2017北大青年政治学人会议

问题：我现在语言成绩还不太理想，因为自己想以后继续在美国读PhD，但听说即便北美比较好的terminal的MA项目就像Duke NYU 甚至Columbia  Mapss现在placement也很激烈，都不太容易拿到北美Top的PHD项目，何况我本来就没啥定量的基础，觉得就算通过自己参加的一些活动和经历表现得自己很学术，怕是去了之后要很久再适应。就在想要不要去香港科大这样的学校（老师研究的方向是自己喜欢的并且离本科学校近，本科学校也有几个老师有reference）读一个quant导向的MPhil过渡个两年？然后申一个北美的一年项目作为申请年还是就把北美作为目标？不知大家是什么意见？

作者: SwaggySteveBai 时间: 2017-9-28 04:34:32

总的来说研究经历不错拉我一个美本都没有任何RA经历至今也要申PhD...
quant的部分确实是个问题 ICPSR是个好项目 quant的部分确实有欠缺主要是看你要做哪个subfield。
楼主留个微信私聊下？

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-9-28 21:41:22

SwaggySteveBai 发表于 2017-9-28 04:34
总的来说研究经历不错拉我一个美本都没有任何RA经历至今也要申PhD...
quant的部分确实是个问题 ICPSR是个 ...

谢谢回复！LZ微信号：zuziwen 望多交流，学习:lol

作者: 寒轩草季 时间: 2017-9-28 23:10:26

SwaggySteveBai 发表于 2017-9-28 04:34
总的来说研究经历不错拉我一个美本都没有任何RA经历至今也要申PhD...
quant的部分确实是个问题 ICPSR是个 ...

你们现在那个群里申请IR的多吗？

作者: yuang1995 时间: 2017-9-29 10:38:55

感觉完全可以直申博士啊。。。

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-9-29 11:25:12

yuang1995 发表于 2017-09-29 10:38
感觉完全可以直申博士啊。。。

定量背景太差。。没啥发表估计申请前50的很难。。。

作者: ZTree 时间: 2017-9-29 12:53:46

重要的是语言得练，政治学这种学科100左右的T根本不够
定量的话，如果你会基本的R和python，把G靠漂亮点，至少在硕士级别survive问题不大

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-9-29 14:44:48

ZTree 发表于 2017-9-29 12:53
重要的是语言得练，政治学这种学科100左右的T根本不够
定量的话，如果你会基本的R和python，把G靠漂亮点， ...

是的。。所以觉得现在还在刷语言真的亚历山大。。。不行恐怕要gap了

作者: ZTree 时间: 2017-9-29 23:47:38

重要的不是T的成绩，一百零几的话以拿到offer为目标应该问题不大。我担心的是你开始读研究生之后能不能适应和生存的问题，尤其是如果你的口语和写作不够好的话

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-9-30 18:09:07

ZTree 发表于 2017-9-29 23:47
重要的不是T的成绩，一百零几的话以拿到offer为目标应该问题不大。我担心的是你开始读研究生之后能不能适应 ...

是呀。。真的是要苦练一段时间

作者: chirenzhiren 时间: 2017-10-2 05:51:29

话说，你这履历根本不像没有定量基础的人。没有定量基础的人哪里会去IPSCR直接学贝叶斯，而且我觉得IPSCR交作业的话，拿A不会很有难度，即使学得并不扎实。我也是今年申请，今年夏天在IPSCR学的Longitudinal Analysis和Regression II，有兴趣可以加微信交流下，微信号：songyang2642。

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-10-2 07:05:31

chirenzhiren 发表于 2017-10-2 05:51
话说，你这履历根本不像没有定量基础的人。没有定量基础的人哪里会去IPSCR直接学贝叶斯，而且我觉得IPSCR交 ...

好哒，已发送

作者: Lasia1993 时间: 2017-11-30 04:47:03

我觉得楼主的经历背景非常好，top 10的项目肯定竞争非常激烈，可以混申硕博

作者: greenstone1564 时间: 2017-11-30 05:13:27

HKUST MPhil 有奖学金，一年招不到几个，申请难度比美帝自费硕士难吧。

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-11-30 14:46:59

greenstone1564 发表于 2017-11-30 05:13
HKUST MPhil 有奖学金，一年招不到几个，申请难度比美帝自费硕士难吧。

是的，而且研究设计很头疼

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-11-30 14:47:32

Lasia1993 发表于 2017-11-30 04:47
我觉得楼主的经历背景非常好，top 10的项目肯定竞争非常激烈，可以混申硕博

现在托福有109 但是GRE只有154+165 这个154怕是一个瘸腿:mad:

作者: 清晨听雨 时间: 2017-12-1 16:05:32

寒轩草季发表于 2017-9-28 23:10
你们现在那个群里申请IR的多吗？

哪个群呀

作者: Lasia1993 时间: 2017-12-2 12:52:55

Garyzu 发表于 2017-11-30 14:47
现在托福有109 但是GRE只有154+165 这个154怕是一个瘸腿

托福成绩够了 GRE verbal能再高一点更好文科申请可能会更重视verbal和写作成绩但GRE成绩只是录取委员会第一轮会看的一般来说只要别太低过了第一轮的门槛就可以最重要的还是SOP和推荐人国内一般都会特别看重这两个考试的分数成绩但我个人觉得还有听其他人的经验其实这个并不是最重要的决定因素

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-2 16:07:34

Lasia1993 发表于 2017-12-2 12:52
托福成绩够了 GRE verbal能再高一点更好文科申请可能会更重视verbal和写作成绩但GRE成绩只是录取委员 ...

谢谢学长

作者: Lasia1993 时间: 2017-12-3 00:16:00

性别F 可以关注一下最近在讨论的美国税改法案如果通过的话读博士免除的学费也要交税可能最后就是还要倒贴钱读博可以广撒网 Don't put all eggs in one basket

作者: Lasia1993 时间: 2017-12-3 00:17:10

Garyzu 发表于 2017-12-2 16:07
谢谢学长

性别F 可以关注一下最近在讨论的美国税改法案如果通过的话读博士免除的学费也要交税可能最后就是还要倒贴钱读博可以广撒网 Don't put all eggs in one basket

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-3 00:41:58

Lasia1993 发表于 2017-12-3 00:16
性别F 可以关注一下最近在讨论的美国税改法案如果通过的话读博士免除的学费也要交税可能最后就是还要倒贴 ...

LOL谢谢学姐

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-4 07:31:20

楼主可以考虑先去美国读过MA过渡一下，GRE成绩verbal和quantitative 154+165都是硬伤。AW备不住也是硬伤，虽然楼主没说……

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-4 11:02:04

zhang_ep1201 发表于 2017-12-4 07:31
楼主可以考虑先去美国读过MA过渡一下，GRE成绩verbal和quantitative 154+165都是硬伤。AW备不住也是硬伤，虽 ...

LZ的目标就是MA。。。今年没有申Phd的打算，可能帖子名有点误导性了。。。我主要还是想咨询这样的GRE对MA会不会是硬伤

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-4 11:18:04

Garyzu 发表于 2017-12-4 11:02
LZ的目标就是MA。。。今年没有申Phd的打算，可能帖子名有点误导性了。。。我主要还是想咨询这样的GRE对MA ...

看你打算申什么项目了，举几个例子，UCSD的就问题不大，芝大的MAPSS就问题很大

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-4 12:18:11

zhang_ep1201 发表于 2017-12-4 11:18
看你打算申什么项目了，举几个例子，UCSD的就问题不大，芝大的MAPSS就问题很大

师兄好，我有申请UCSD 的MIA 看师兄之前的帖子应该是UCSD的，想问下这个项目对申请博士帮助怎么样，除了大神乐师兄之外的。。。

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-4 13:14:41

Garyzu 发表于 2017-12-4 12:18
师兄好，我有申请UCSD 的MIA 看师兄之前的帖子应该是UCSD的，想问下这个项目对申请博士帮助怎么样，除了大 ...

MIA每年大概有一个人会拿到PhD offer。我现在才开始读，一切不好说。如果你还没提交申请，建议你再考一次GRE改为申MCEPA。不过还是要提醒你一句，PhD对于你真的是没有不行，非得读不可吗？如果是，就走这条路。反正开学以来这几个月，绝大部分想申PhD的已经放弃了。

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-4 14:57:28

zhang_ep1201 发表于 2017-12-4 13:14
MIA每年大概有一个人会拿到PhD offer。我现在才开始读，一切不好说。如果你还没提交申请，建议你再考一次 ...

为啥呀MCEPA比MIA的优势在哪里呢

作者: LvXiaowei2014 时间: 2017-12-6 00:19:12

Garyzu 发表于 2017-12-4 14:57
为啥呀MCEPA比MIA的优势在哪里呢

Though UCSD has very strong China-oriented faculty portfolio, I would suggest MIA as it does not impose strict restrictions on China-related courses, which are on a much narrowly focused basis.

Based on my experience, having at least 4 Phd-Level general courses is a must. There was once a legend who took 6-7 Phd-level courses and ended in a top 15 econ program. To name a few, POLI 204, 220 (CP), 231 (Development), 232 (IO), 245 (IPE). Upper-number Q Method class like POLI 274 on text analysis will be of great help; I enrolled in a network analysis that they don't offer any more.

A few more comments on applying PhD in general:
1. Be prepared to be tortured.
2. Math and programing are really important.
3. Learn to lower your expectation. Every school has its strength and big-named ones are not necessarily the best.

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-6 20:44:04

LvXiaowei2014 发表于 2017-12-6 00:19
Though UCSD has very strong China-oriented faculty portfolio, I would suggest MIA as it does not ...

Thanks!!谢谢大神师兄！！for MIA is GRE 154+165 ok?

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-8 06:28:36

本帖最后由 zhang_ep1201 于 2017-12-8 06:30 编辑

Garyzu 发表于 2017-12-6 20:44
Thanks!!谢谢大神师兄！！for MIA is GRE 154+165 ok?

这个成绩OK。trust me。有verbal 不到150 的照样来了，只不过之后痛苦一点儿就是了。
And I'd like to say more about the points from #29.
Though I know whom he is, I'd like not to mention it.
You need to get petition to select a course outside GPS while MCEPA has a privilege to be enrolled some doctoral courses in the department of Political Science and Economics without petition including POLI220(A)(B), etc and you are allowed to select at most 4 courses outside GPS which need petition. Additionally, you do not need to take some policy-oriented core courses in MCEPA -- means you have to except you are enable to waive one or several of them in MIA such Accouting and Finance, Internaional Economy, International Relations & Security, etc to avoid some young scholars lecturing these courses who don't have too much teaching experience. Then you have slots for other courses in department of political science or sth else.
Please see the link below to get more information of the MCEPA:
http://gps.ucsd.edu/academics/mcepa/index.html
And comparing it with MIA:
http://gps.ucsd.edu/academics/mia.html
Based on my own experience, MCEPA also means chances to get a closer working relationship with China-studies faculties not only in GPS but also in other departments which is obviously important for you and your academic goal.
However, you still could transfer from MIA to MCEPA after you get offer though it is a little difficult and the chance is rare.
However, I'll write something about MCEPA comparing with MIA and the experience of my first quarter at GPS to let the comming applicants know more about it later next week.

作者: LvXiaowei2014 时间: 2017-12-8 13:27:27

The suggestion from #31 is misleading for the following reasons.

1. For every PhD course, you need to get the lecturer's approval first. If you have the approval and your gpa is in general good standing (like above 3.6), there is NO REASON the GPS would reject the petition of counting PhD courses (at most 4), or other courses outside GPS, towards the degree requirement. The petition is merely procedural. Beyond 4, you can take as many courses as you please, as long as a) your have the lecturer's approval, and b) you fulfill the degree requirement, meaning that your coursework outside GPS does not count as credits.

2. I never heard of any "privileged enrollment". Again, you need to first get lecture's approval, and professors in PhD courses do not care which program you are from. Good GPA and other technical skills may indeed count and persuade them you are outstanding and are to learn yet more, other than say, "I have been studying Chinese communist party and its history for the past 10 years", etc.

3. "Young scholars lecturing these courses who don't have too much teaching experience". Well, UCSD happen to have the youngest, yet most promising young faculty group on China amid top 10 PoliSci programs. I don't quite understand why #31 seem to be offering seemingly contradictory suggestions.

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-8 19:20:12

LvXiaowei2014 发表于 2017-12-8 13:27
The suggestion from #31 is misleading for the following reasons.

1. For every PhD course, you nee ...

On your point 1, you need space for additional courses in department of political science. And the courses structure of MIA makes you don't have too much space for these courses.
On your point 2, you never heard of any "privileged enrollment" because you may need to know more about the changed policy and the reason why they make MCEPA and what the differences between it and MIA/MPP.
On your point 3, young ones not the one at the department of Political Science, but the ones at GPS and just think about the courses you took such as accounting and finance and so on.
Time flies very fast and something has changed at GPS after you graduated from there.

作者: Damien_13 时间: 2017-12-8 21:44:31

好厉害的背景...我是心理学专业的...来看个热闹

作者: Damien_13 时间: 2017-12-8 21:47:18

想勾搭认识一下！

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2017-12-8 21:50:53

Damien_13 发表于 2017-12-8 21:47
想勾搭认识一下！

微信: zuziwen 嘻嘻

作者: LvXiaowei2014 时间: 2017-12-10 01:05:00

zhang_ep1201 发表于 2017-12-8 19:20
On your point 1, you need space for additional courses in department of political science. And the ...

Based on your response on #1, I am pretty sure you have no idea with how to fulfill the degree requirement of GPS and how to take courses outside department. Make sure you consult your idea with DGS before winter semester.

And let us see how you make use of your "privilege" after the winter semester, and may be you have more to say by then. Good luck with your petition for advanced PhD courses.

Personally I think it is a waste of time to discuss on this issue with someone who never walked into advanced courses and talked with professors. Just don't pretend you know everything.

作者: zhang_ep1201 时间: 2017-12-10 03:48:38

LvXiaowei2014 发表于 2017-12-10 01:05
Based on your response on #1, I am pretty sure you have no idea with how to fulfill the degree req ...

I never pretend I know everything because I know there are a lot of things I don't know and maybe never know nothing about them but at least I have a better know about what the MCEPA is and that's the reason why I transfer from MIA to it.
I intend not to say anything more and just remind waht Stalin said to Mao, "victor should not be blamed". Good for you.

作者: Lockxe 时间: 2017-12-10 06:38:21

本帖最后由 Lockxe 于 2017-12-10 06:41 编辑

。。。。

作者: 败犬女王 时间: 2018-3-7 23:19:07

我其實更驚訝於樓主作為一個本科生有那麼多暑校，RA的渠道。

作者: Moumou酱 时间: 2018-3-8 14:17:41

有点好奇楼主最后去了哪里呢？

作者: Garyzu 时间: 2018-3-8 18:47:33

Moumou酱发表于 2018-3-8 14:17
有点好奇楼主最后去了哪里呢？

在ucsd mapss 纠结，也在等其他剩下的几个学校

作者: Sherry1997 时间: 2020-3-4 17:19:52

zhang_ep1201 发表于 2017-12-4 13:14
MIA每年大概有一个人会拿到PhD offer。我现在才开始读，一切不好说。如果你还没提交申请，建议你再考一次 ...

请教大佬，MCEPA每年有几个人能申上博？本校博是不是相对好申一些？感觉这专业申不上博就只有回国吧，当地不好找工作吧

作者: Diligentia 时间: 2020-3-5 08:41:43

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