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发表于 2006-8-4 09:18:58 |只看该作者

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工具只能用于等身塑像，导致风格不同。或者：
正因为工具只能用于等身塑像，所以大小塑像风格不同。

你的这两个不是一样的吗？？？

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发表于 2006-8-4 14:51:07 |只看该作者

同意楼上的观点
本人也认为是因工具只能用于等身来导出风格不同的

第一次参加同主题,热切盼望大家的砖砖
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthre ... &extra=page%3D1

[ 本帖最后由 xxxxzoe 于 2006-8-4 14:53 编辑 ]

因为没有目标——所以需要继续前进

【2025FALL】全站祈福已开放~~来领祈福章，求offer得offer

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发表于 2006-8-4 22:24:42 |只看该作者

敬请指点, 必回拍!

https://bbs.gter.net/thread-508470-1-1.html

[ 本帖最后由 morallrey 于 2006-8-5 23:46 编辑 ]

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发表于 2006-8-4 22:46:13 |只看该作者

原帖由 fenghua9801 于 2006-8-4 09:18 发表
工具只能用于等身塑像，导致风格不同。或者：
正因为工具只能用于等身塑像，所以大小塑像风格不同。

你的这两个不是一样的吗？？？

恩，我先看77的提纲，觉得问题不大，写起来是一样的。
不过翻译成中文表示因果关系，你说得对，原文也是因果不可逆的。

我都没发现自己写一样的了，hoho，不好意思地说

:o

[ 本帖最后由 yogurt4 于 2006-8-4 23:20 编辑 ]

色不迷人人自迷。
天佑中华！！Bless bless bless

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发表于 2006-8-4 23:31:23 |只看该作者

斑竹忙的事情太多了啊，出现些minor problem 也是满正常的啊:lol

我也来帖我的文章：

提纲：
1 不能由发现了手和脑袋的模具推测出整个雕像都是由模具做出来的。
2 即使是大雕像是由模具制造出来的，不能推出那个时候的雕刻工具很少。
3 不能说大雕像价值会降低，而小雕像则会上升。因为他们存世的数目作者没有告知，而且收藏家的观点是否因为这个发现而改变也不知道

https://bbs.gter.net/viewthre ... e%3D3#pid1768910268

[ 本帖最后由 fenghua9801 于 2006-8-4 23:33 编辑 ]

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发表于 2006-8-8 11:41:44 |只看该作者

argument56.

Collectors prize the ancient life-size clay statues of human figures made on Kali Island but have long wondered how the Kalinese artists were able to depict bodies with such realistic precision. Since archeologists have recently discovered molds of human heads and hands on Kali, we can now conclude that the ancient Kalinese artists used molds of actual bodies, not sculpting tools and techniques, to create these statues. This discovery explains why Kalinese miniature statues were abstract and entirely different in style: molds could only be used for life-size sculptures. It also explains why few ancient Kalinese sculpting tools have been found. In light of this development, collectors should expect the life-size sculptures to decrease in value and the miniatures to increase in value.

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I don’t think life-size sculptures will decrease in value while the miniatures to increase in value. Because of the only development of some archeologist’s discovery is not enough to support the expectation of the collectors. Fist I would doubt on the archeologist’s discovery. Even the archeologist’s conclude is true, however, basically, the value of the life-size sculpture and miniatures are depends on multi-factors, it is not only based on the author’s assumption that is how the sculpture were made, by molds or by tools.

Suppose those archeologist really did find molds of human heads and hands on Kali, did the archeologist date the molds? How old is the molds? Were the molds made in the same time with those life size sculptures? The author failed to answer any of these questions. I simply don’t know. How could I believe the archeologist’s further conclude that the life-size sculptures were made by those molds? What if the mold was made before the age of the life-size sculpture, or after the age of the life-size sculpture? In that case, the mold had nothing to do with life-size sculpture. Even they happened in the same age, only the molds of heads and hands is not enough to convince me that life-size sculpture were made by those molds. Did the archeologist find the exact mold which exact match one of life-size sculpture? We don’t know yet. What about other part of the body, if they were made by molds, then where is the body molds? Without these evidences, it is possible that the body part of the life-size sculpture were not made by molds.

Even the life-size sculpture were made by molds, the author conclude that the miniature were not made by molds is unwarranted. What is the size of the people on Kali? Are they smaller than us? The archeologist failed to provide skeleton of the Kali people to show us the actually size of those people. It is entirely possible that Kali people have the size with the miniature. Or the people of the nearby tribe are smaller than the Kali people, Kali people use their neighbor as molds to made miniature.

Even the life-size sculpture were made by molds, as well as miniature were made by tools, the author failed to examine other factors that could affect the value of the sculptures. Such as the quantity of the available of the life-size sculpture and miniature. Less available of life-size sculpture will increase its value. The good quality of the life-size sculpture also will increase its value. Moreover the age of both the life-size sculpture and miniature will affect its value. The older age of the life-size sculpture will increase its value. Very important is: the culture value of the sculpture represent is a very important factor to determine its value. The author failed to examine any clue of the culture value the life-size sculpture represent and the miniature represent. Without evaluate those factors, it is hardly to say which one’s value will increase or decrease.

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发表于 2006-8-10 18:45:41 |只看该作者

TOPIC: ARGUMENT56 - Collectors prize the ancient life-size clay statues of human figures made on Kali Island but have long wondered how the Kalinese artists were able to depict bodies with such realistic precision. Since archeologists have recently discovered molds of human heads and hands on Kali, we can now conclude that the ancient Kalinese artists used molds of actual bodies, not sculpting tools and techniques, to create these statues. This discovery explains why Kalinese miniature statues were abstract and entirely different in style: molds could only be used for life-size sculptures. It also explains why few ancient Kalinese sculpting tools have been found. In light of this development, collectors should expect the life-size sculptures to decrease in value and the miniatures to increase in value.
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In this argument, the arguer concludes that the life-size sculptures are expected to decrease in value and the miniatures to increase in value. In order to reasoning that, the arguer cited the mold being found on this island and the specific miniature styles together with the few sculpting tools found on the island. The arguer's reasoning seams to be appealing, while clearly examine the author's reasoning, we may find that unconvincing. The argument contains many facets that are questionable.

First of all, the author's evidence are insufficient to support his/her conclusion that the ancient Kalinese artist used molds of actual bodies, not sculpting tools and techniques, to create these statues. The arguer cited archeologists have recently discovered molds of human heads and hands on Kali. No sign to deduce that the molds found on Kali are for sculpture use. The arguers failed to mention any relationship between the molds and sculptures. And no materials are given to illustrate the life-size clay statues are made of molds. It is possible that this the molds are used for some other use such as making scarecrows which is of the same size as mankind to expel birds from eating crops. It also can serve to make models for sculptors to create their own sculptures rather than invite some real models. Moreover, conceded that the molds found this time are for the sculpture use. We can not conclude that all the statures are made of such molds.

In the second, the arguer makes an oversimplified assumption that the life-size sculptures are not made by sculpting tools and techniques for the reason that miniature statues and life-size ones are not with the same style. As we all know, the smaller sculpture is the more sophisticated it should be. So, the phenomenon why miniature statues are abstract is due to difficulty in techniques. Further, the use of these two kinds of sculptures is not clear to us, how can we deduce that the miniature statues are not made by the same measure. In addition, the author attribute the absent of ancient Kalinese sculpture tools to the conclusion that Kalinese use molds for life-size sculptures rather than sculpting tools. In most instances, the sculpting tools are of much value, and they may be stolen by some thieves. And it can also be destroyed due to some reasons.

In addition, the arguer commits "after this, and therefore because of this" fallacy. The casual relationship between the sculpting measures of ancient life-size clay to the increase in value of miniature statues is unwarranted. If the collectors are interested in such life-size sculptures no matter they are made of mold or sculpting tools. And there might be some other forms of sculptures. Therefore, this is a fallacious reasoning unless the author can provide persuasive evidences to rule out any other possibilities.

To sum up, the conclusion lacks of credibility. Regardless of who the author is, he or she has overlooked or chosen to ignore many aspects of his or her conclusion. To strengthen the conclusion, the arguer should give more evidences about the above-mentioned possibilities.

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