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作者: apolloxp    时间: 2005-3-24 15:33:38     标题: [color=red]同主题写作第七期Issue138[/color]

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."
题目不难理解,没有难懂的词。译为“唯有通过犯错误,才会有发现和进步”


题目其实给的比较宽泛的,discovery/progress是可大可小的,大到科学上的重大发现,人类文明人类社会的进步,小到个人的小小进步,事业上的发展。同样的,mistake也可以分成很多种,可大可小。此外,题目中并没有任何词说明到底是谁犯错误,又是谁取得进步,个人?社会?全人类?这里也许可以做点文章。总的来看,本题自由度还是不小的。如果写成赞成,则可以在多个层面上进行论证,相反地,如果写成反对,也可以有比较大的余地找出反例。


注意到题目中的“only”,这是个关键词,有了这样一个词之后,写反对的同学可能会有不少。原题说,只有通过犯错误才会有发现有进步。这是一个非常绝对的论断,我们自己写AW的时候除非有十足把握,要尽量避免使用这么绝对的论断,因为要保持严密性,要使自己的文章无懈可击。然而当这样一个论断出现在我们面前时,我们也可以反过来质疑其合理性,我们可以给出获得发明和进步的另一个途径、另一种可能,从而驳倒原题的唯一性的论断。(比如说,因为人类可以理论指导实践,人类通过学习可以了解从未接触过得事物,所以有时候我们不必犯错仍然可以有发现有进步。诸如此类,大家可以自己想想)


呵呵,打算写成赞成的同学也不要泄气,写成赞成也是有办法的。关键是死死咬住一点,discovery/progress是离不开犯错的。如果某件事是注定办得成的,搞定它的过程中根本不会有问题,那么即使我把它办成了实在难以算得上是进步。反过来说,世界上哪有那么一帆风顺的事情,你就能保证取得进步和获得发现的过程中真的一丁点错误都不犯?咬住了这点,赞成就好写了。


对于写成部分同意、部分反对的情况,对赞同和反对两方面做好协调,有侧重点,更要注意不要自己weaken自己,这里我就不细说了。以上,我只讨论了对于题目的一些基本立场,对于不拘泥于同意不同意的观点也是完全可以的。


这题不算bt,也有一定的发挥空间,我就尽量少说点,主要留给大家讨论。下面是精华区里的来自嘉文博译的issue138,大家可以参考一下。这篇文章就不是简单的同意或反对的观点。





Sample Essay

“Failure is Mother to Success”, a more popular and more widely publicized version of “Only through mistakes will there be discoveries and progress”, has been advocated and championed as an adage of encouragement perhaps since our early childhood, by people ranging from kindergarten nurses, teachers of elementary through middle to senior high schools, to university professors, and even by employer to his employee in the moving story at IBM involving Watson and one of his vice presidents. Admittedly, it is totally possible for Paul Ehrlich, one of the few exceptionally talented scientists in the world, to discover—perhaps under the encouragement of his childhood axiom—a syphilis-curing drug (which he symbolically named “Formula 606” as an indication of his perseverance, for he failed for the first 605 trials in developing the drug), thereby making important contributions to the progress of medical science as a whole. Nevertheless, it should also be pointed out that it is seriously misleading to take this apparently encouraging remark as a lifelong principle and to live by this principle. Imagine how you would think if you, still committing mistakes in your great seniority, were approached and admonished with this “motto” by your grandson, who received it from his father to whom it was precisely you that had handed it down innumerable decades ago?

The process of “making mistakes”, especially when it is connected with “making discoveries”, strongly implies that a human agent, presumably a scientist, is engaged in an act of highly positivistic and empirical scientific research. However, with life being so transitory, we should keep in mind that the wealth of scientific knowledge accumulated by the scientists who precede us can help us effectively and directly head toward discoveries and progress by bypassing possible pitfalls and mistakes. The fact that we can exploit existing scientific findings in a more speedy and fruitful manner precludes us from the necessity to achieve scientific progress by resorting to mistake-making as a source of knowledge, as is advocated by the foregoing argument.

Moreover, the proposition that “only through mistakes will there be discoveries and progress” induces the illusion that, as long as researchers keep on undertaking trials and experiments regardless of efficiency and cost, victory will be there automatically and inevitably. The proposition that perseverance will ultimately lead to discoveries and progress further implies that every scientific effort would end up in success. There would never be such a thing as resignation or giving up halfway, as if success can always be guaranteed by an “anti-failure insurance company.” But there are instances in which certain scientific missions have to be terminated eternally because the prospect of a discovery is indeed bleak. If we allow ourselves to cherish the blind faith in an ultimate victory, two serious consequences would ensure thereof. On one hand, those mistake-makers would comfortably indulge themselves in committing infinite mistakes, and even blind mistakes. It would scarcely occur to them to make opportune reflections on their sustained failures and to seek fresh and more efficacious perspectives and methodologies. It is pathetic to expect the occurrence of the final miracle which in actuality might would occur. On the other hand, this will also give rise to the development of magnanimous but ill-fated tolerance on the part of the general public for mistake-making. In this case, the general public itself live under the illusory misconception that the perpetrator of constant mistakes would eventually evolve into a scientific genius, given enough time. It is absolutely conceivable that, by being exonerated for committing “innocent and necessary” mistakes, the perpetrator tends to contract inertia and indolence on one hand and become increasingly irresponsible on the other, thereby resulting in alarming physical wastes of materials and resources.

In connection with this consequence is the cost of making mistakes. Since making mistakes is generally negative, it carries the implication that a cost must be paid for every mistake. And when it comes to the point that the cost of making mistakes significantly dwarfs the possible benefits that can be derived from a trivial discovery, every sensible person would come to the conclusion that the practice of achieving minor discoveries through making costly mistakes should by no means be encouraged.

It might be assumed that, given the incessant emergence of changing circumstances and fresh challenges, making mistakes is ineluctable and hence excusable. This is, at least in part, an ill-founded pretext for being immature. For one thing, a person who commits mistakes under each changed circumstance or commits the same mistake in similar cases can only be characterized as incapable of maturity. Although a definite demarcation line between maturity and naivety can be identified sooner or later in a person’s lifetime, it is hardly logical to say that a mistake-committing senior citizen has not completed his evolutionary process of de-naivetization when he is virtually on his deathbed. Progress, either personal or social, is absolutely impossible in a state of lasting naivety.

As is universally acknowledged, human beings differ from other creatures in that they are rational. This faculty of rationality functions by endowing man with the ability to foresee and to predict, to make full preparations based on past experience and knowledge for the advent of potential adversities caused by changed circumstances. The capacity for foresight makes it possible for man to be prepared in advance for impending problems, thus eliminating and avoiding mistakes.

The proposed argument is seriously flawed on two accounts. In the first place, by the use of the word “only”, it posits the committing of mistakes as an absolute condition for accomplishing discoveries and progress, ignoring the foundational importance of the research performed by those scientists preceding us in leading to scientific discoveries and progress. In the second place, the argument is merely negative, based on the act of being erroneous and even fallacious. A more plausible and compelling explanation for human discoveries and progress is man’s intelligence as a rational being, his long-accumulated experience and knowledge that have been proved effective through practice, his sound judgments, his right methodologies in knowing himself and the world around him, and his correct decision-making in choosing the proper course of action.

(1548 words)

"唯有通过犯错误,才会有发现和进步。"


"失败乃成功之母",作为"唯有通过犯错误,才会有发现与进步"这一说法的一种流传更广、更加广为渲染的版本,或许自从我们孩提时代起就被反复倡导,当作一句激励人们不懈努力的话。无论是幼稚园阿姨,小学、中学和高中的老师,还是大学教授,甚至是你的雇主,无不对此津津乐道。在IBM那则涉及到总裁Watson和他的一位副总裁的动人故事中,我们可略知一斑。诚然,对于Paul Ehrlich这样一位世界上为数不多的几个具有非凡天赋的科学家来说,是全然有可能--在其或许是童年时代就已接触到的这一至理名言的激励下--去发现一种能医治梅毒的药物(他将其象征性地命名为"606配方",以表明其坚忍不拔的品格,因为他研发该药的最初605次尝试均以失败而告终),从而对整个医学进步作出重大贡献。然而,我们也必须指出,如果将这番视若予人鼓励的话视作一种终身的准则,并按此准则来度过一生的话,这无疑将产生严重的误导作用。确实有这样一些时候,亡羊补牢,已为迟也。试问,如果老态龙钟的您依然还在犯下一个个错误,您的孙儿来到您身旁用这句由您不知多少年前传授给您儿子,再由您儿子传授给您孙子的"人生箴言"来告诫您时,您又会作何感想呢?

"犯错误"这一过程,尤其当它与"作出发现"相联系在一起时,强烈地暗示出有某个人类主体--我们可不无道理地将其假定为一位科学家--正置身于一种极具实证主义和经验主义色彩的科学研究行为之中。然而,人生何其短暂,我们应该牢记,前辈科学大师们已为我们积累起了大量的科学知识,足以帮助我们绕过可能存在的诸多弯路和谬误,直接且有效地迈向科学发现和进步。我们能够以一种更为快捷和卓有成效的方式去利用既存的科学发现,这一事实本身足以使我们大可不必象上述题目中的论点所倡导的那样,去诉诸于犯错误这一行为,将其视作唯一的知识之源泉,藉以实现科学进步。

此外,"唯有通过犯错误,才会有发现与进步"这一命题会诱导这样一种错觉,即只要科研人员不断进行试验和实验,无论效率与成本如何,成功将会理所当然地、不可避免地在那里等着你。"坚持不懈终将导致发现与进步"这一命题进一步暗示,任何一种科学努力均会以成功而告终,故诸如放弃与半途而废这样的事情绝不会出现,仿佛成功总可以在一家"反失败保险公司"里得到保障一样。但在实际情形中,某些科学使命不得不被永久性地中止,因为得以作出一项发现的前景微乎其微。如果我们允许自己对一次终极的成功执迷不悟,盲目相信的话,两个严重的后果会随之而来。首先,那些犯错误者会心安理得地沉缅于没完没了地犯错误这一行为之中,即使所犯的是盲目的错误亦在所不惜。他们很少会意识到去对其持续的失败作出及时的反思,并去寻觅全新的和更有可能奏效的视角和对策。对实际上或许永远也不会发生的最终奇迹的发生满怀期待,这无疑是可悲的。另一方面,这也会导致在公众身上养成一种对犯错误行为"宽宏大量的"但却注定没有好结果的容忍。在这一情形中,公众本身就生活在一种虚妄的误解中,仿佛那恒久的犯错者只要假以时日,必将演化为一个科学奇才。完全可以想象的是,当犯错者因其所犯错误是"必要的和无辜的"而获宽宥时,他一方面易于陷入懒惰与惰性之中而不思进取,另一方面亦易于变得越来越缺乏责任心,从而导致物质和资源的惊人浪费。

与上述后果相涉的还有犯错误的代价这一因素。既然犯错误这一行为普遍地具有负面意义,这便意味着每犯一个错误就必须付出代价。但当事情发展到这样一个地步,即当犯错误这一行为的代价远远超过从一项微不足道的发现中所能获得的回报时,每个明智之士想必都会得出这样的结论,即通过犯下代价高昂的错误而获得一些无足轻重的发现,这一做法绝不应该予以鼓励。

有人或许会辩驳道,由于新情况、新挑战层出不穷,犯错误是不可避免的,因此理应获得宽宥。这一论点至少在部分程度上是一种站不住脚的借口,藉以为不成熟作辩解。这是因为,其一,每次情况有变便必犯错误,或遇到类似情形仍犯同样的错误,这样的人只能被形容为"长不大"。虽然成熟与幼稚之间的分界线在一个人的一生中总是可以被分辨出来,在有些人身上早一些,在另一些人身上迟一些,但如果有人说一个依然在铸错的老者在行将就木之际还尚未完成他从幼稚中蜕变的过程,这恐怕甚不合乎逻辑。进步,无论是个人的抑或是社会的,在一种持久性幼稚状态中是断无可能的。

众所公认,人类之所以有别于其他种类的动物,就在于人是有理性的。这种理性能力之所以有其效用,就在于它可赋以人类以预测、预知和预见的能力,以前人的经验和知识为基础,对由于环境变化而导致的潜在逆境的出现作好充分准备。前瞻能力使人类得以对行将降临的问题预先作好准备,从而消除并避免失误。

本文题目中所提出的论点由于二种缘故而存在严重缺陷。其一,通过应用"唯一"这一字眼,该论点将铸错设定为获得发现和实现进步的绝对条件,对前辈科学家们所从事的研究在导致科学发现和科学进步中的奠基性意义置若罔闻,熟视无睹。其次,该论点具有消极色彩,仅仅立足于"错误"与"谬误"这一行为上。关于人类发现和人类进步,一种更为合理和更为严谨的解释应该是人类作为理性动物的聪明才智,他长期积累起来的、且经由实践证明确是行之有效的那些经验和知识,其明智的判断力,他用以了解其自身和了解其周围世界的正确方法论,以及他在选择正确的行动方向时所作出的正确决策。
作者: nora0020    时间: 2005-3-24 15:44:12

先占个位,今天晚上就交
作者: xuding_god    时间: 2005-3-24 15:45:44

占坐先,明天交
作者: comingsoon    时间: 2005-3-24 16:09:31

占座先,明天交。快考了,正好也想练练这篇文章。
作者: isage    时间: 2005-3-24 16:29:31

占座,明天交~~~HOHO
作者: ijwtbk    时间: 2005-3-24 17:07:19     标题: 交作业来了,以前没考虑过这到题,现想的,大家狠拍吧

------题目------
Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress.
------正文------
In the modern society with the rapid development of science and technology, how to continue this progress has more and more complex and controversial. Does the mistakes the only way we can through to make discovery and progress? Different people hold different views due to their respective angles. Insofar as I can think, I tend to agree the speaker that only through mistakes can there be discovery and progress.

To begin with, as a Chinese old saying going, " The mistake is the mother of success." which tells as that the mistake can help us to find the reason of failure, then to process in the correct direction. We may all have this experience, when I solve a mathematic problem, once I get a wrong answer. Next I would ask myself why I commit this error. Is there something wrong with the comprehension to the item?
Or perhaps, whether I use a axiom exactly? Form these question, I would eventually find the correct way to solve this problem and gain a deeper understand of this relative principles and theories. It is just a little example, but though this, we would believe that mistake is really a method which can help us to discovery and make progress.

Furthermore, what we have done in the process, which leads to failure, is also a treasure to enrich the knowledge of human beings.  Take my experience for example, last term our laboratory planed to design a new software to deal with the cancer detect. We collect much information about the MI (magnetic image) and CT.  Whereas, because of the short of the understanding to the cancers diversity,  we failed to design such a software. However, we use the information and the technology we got in the procedure, we developed another software called medical image segmentation, which can help doctors to differ different parts of human body. Moreover, the mistake may sometimes bring us surprise. We need look no further to find the example of Flaming, who discovered the penicillin. Because of his inattention, Penicillin could get the change to kill the bacteria round them. This great miss save millions of people' lives.

Admittedly, there are some other ways, which can also lead to progress. For example, we may exchange ideas with others who hold the different opinions from ours. These different opinions, works like fresh air bring us another perspective to consider the same problem. On one in the world can master a problem comprehensively, what we see is just a corner of a giant iceberg. Everyone has his or her unique culture background, knowledge level, and world value. If we collect all these angles all together, we would make a more accurate decision.

To sum up, mistake is a powerful tool for us to discovery and progress. We should confront it bravely rather than frustrate. We would unstop to achieve one discovery and progress another if we rightly deal with the mistake, although the way to success is full of thorn.
作者: boancqu    时间: 2005-3-24 17:41:42

占位,明天交!
作者: 深谷幽兰    时间: 2005-3-24 18:01:04

占个座先
作者: franksky    时间: 2005-3-24 18:32:40     标题: 交作业

还是超时了,比较郁闷
Issue138  第4篇 让砖头来得更猛烈些吧!
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从2005年2月24日10时51分到2005年2月24日11时52分
------题目------
Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress.
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As the title above claims that people make discovery or progress, which present the reason that our society improves. Making mistakes just like falling down while a child first learn to walk, without falling, he may never learn how to walk on the ground, and sometimes, mistakes are necessary to discovery and progress.

In the first place, mistakes promote the progress of scientific technology and inventions. At the beginning, scientists acquire little about science and technology, especially in a completely new area, in such cases, they may fail to get a correct research result except a series of mistakes. But the mistakes are very useful, because the scientists realize which way is not correct through mistakes, thus rule out one possibility. Making mistakes is more common in the area of invention, Edison, for example, as an excellent inventor, he contributed to the world greatly with lights, tape-recorder, movie-maker, and so on. As we all know, he also encountered amount of failures and countless mistakes, take lights as an example, he was confused with the problem that the material could not bear high temperature thus damaged after a few hours. To find better lightening material he tries all kinds of materials that he could find, such as hair, thread, wool, wire, copper, and so on. Finally, he succeeded to find what he needed, therefore, citizens could make better use of electric lights. Currently, scientists even discover more lasting materials and invent different kinds of lights to meet different needs.

In the second place, the governments make out better policies to solve social problems through making mistakes. It is very significant for government to take proper measures to handle problems, but it is not always that the society can benefit from the measures, even cause more serious problems. Five years ago, our local government decided to solve poverty problem, and the committees set a fund in the budget that provide money per month to those live under poverty line. But one year later, there were still many poor in local place, and it seemed that their living condition did not improve even worse. As a result, the government carried out another plan, instead of directly allocate money to the poor, they open a part-time class, which designed to teach them with basic living skills and prepare them for some certain profession, this solution turned out to be effective than the former, for the percentage of poor declined dramatically one year later. Mistakes helps the officials to realize the essence of the rub, therefore, they can make policy according to the situation rather than subjectively.

And also, when people cooperate with people, they learn better how to communicate with people that have different background and distinguished character through mistakes. Naturally, when meet a stranger first time, one know little about his interests, career, favorite food, customs and may offend him without realizing that what may be affront in his culture. Clinton, for example, when he visited an African country, he made a gesture which means "OK" in English, but an offensive word in that country, thus had a bad effect on his character even though he did not realize at all, he would be more careful, when he decided to do such gestures in other countries.

In addition, with one learns more on a specific area, his experience accumulated bit by bit, and then he maybe make less mistakes or no mistakes.
To sum up, mistakes play an important role in the process of scientific progress and social development, however, this does not necessarily follow that making mistakes is the only way to find discovery and enhance progress.
作者: 天晴了    时间: 2005-3-24 19:04:29

------syllabus------
Agree
prologue
B1 不犯错不可能
1 discovery和progress 的复杂性和不可预见性决定要犯错
2 人的认知局限性决定要犯错
B2 犯错是有必要的 有助于discovery progress
1 犯错会打破固有的惯性 给DandP提供前提
2 解决问题就是进步
B3 犯的错要值 有些错不值得犯 对于D和P来说不值 是阻碍
epilogue


LINK:  https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258672
作者: deserteagle    时间: 2005-3-24 19:13:10

偶也占个座
作者: 猫猫624    时间: 2005-3-24 19:25:10

1从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一
2但是从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件,在艺术领域,艺术家的成就来源于自身对自然对社会的认识
3不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258973
作者: ZEALPALADIN    时间: 2005-3-24 19:47:01

先占位置啦,这几天状态不好
作者: 鬼谷子    时间: 2005-3-24 20:13:34

请大家注意一下,把提纲和文章的链接发在这里,文章单独发在外面
作者: ayrie    时间: 2005-3-24 20:38:43

1 定义mistake为unpredictable fault,
2 抓住unpredictable ,证明由于discovery是unpredictable 的,所以only through mistakes can make discoery
3 由于progress是可以预测的,所以不能用only.

个人感觉逻辑与题目扣的不错,拍拍~~

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258909
作者: 枫丹    时间: 2005-3-24 20:39:57

占位,明天交,每次完成一个类的作文的时候就象是在吐丝!!不知道这个比喻是否恰当!!
作者: boyjim    时间: 2005-3-24 21:35:57

也就最后一次同主题了~之前写过这篇~不怎么~改一下再放上来
鬼哥要帮我看啊~我的预感我会考这个~不知道为什么...
138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."
1失败总是难免的
2犯错误可以~但是我们需要认真的研究错误~成功往往在失败中找到蛛丝马迹
3稍微让步~里面写了乱七八糟的一些其他东西
这个东西是22号写的~当时写之前一个晚上就在想了~写的时候没有超时~不过要计算上想的时间~......超的好严重中~而且好像还是有点跑了....555这样的状态.....

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... 1327051#post1327051

优点是语言不错,问题是B1的作用不明显,B2的TS设计不是太好,开头观点中的反面问题没有在后面的文章中体现。
-by鬼谷子

作者: 寻梦    时间: 2005-3-24 21:59:32

刚回来,来晚了,偶占座
作者: likeying27    时间: 2005-3-24 22:24:58

Issue 138 同主题写作,1,2,3大家一起拍呀

  outline:
B1 自己会犯错,但可以从中吸取教训
B2  我们可以站在别人的肩膀上,吸取别人的错误,获取经验
B3  other ways( 偶然/社会的重视) 也可以


LINK:
http://211.151.90.54/bbs/showthr ... 1328709#post1328709
作者: goasuplease    时间: 2005-3-24 22:42:57

提纲(文章发在外面了),限时

b1.错误是创新的源泉,(科学领域为例)
b2.错误带来经验,(商业领域为例)
b3.应避免不必要的错误

thx

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258665
作者: viviansi    时间: 2005-3-24 23:24:39

好,明天写
作者: naiba369    时间: 2005-3-24 23:31:42

up
作者: hplrzdf    时间: 2005-3-24 23:42:27

Issue138: 511 words  45 minutes
Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress.

"Failure is mother to success", the proverb has propagated by generations, and get the admit of people. In human history, we can find many important discoveries or progress are obtained through the endeavor and incessant failure of ancestors. But we should realize that there are many ways to attain success not only through mistakes.

Admittedly, mistakes play a vital role in the development of human civilization. Since we were in childhood, our parents and teachers told us that through committing mistakes, you can find the right way to success. And in the books, we find many important discoveries and progress are related with failure. The well-known scientist Edison had said that, he known a thousand of ways to be failed in producing the light bulb, at the same time he known the only way to successfully to invent light bulb. Also as a postgraduate in biology, I deeply appreciate the position of failure in research. After many experiments which are failed due to many inevitable accidents or reasons, we find the correct method to accomplish my first step which is only one part of the whole task. The failure can make us maintain practical serious attitude towards what we are doing now, after carefully analysis of failure, we can discriminate the only correct way from many illusions and immature minds or behaviors.

At the same time, we must emphasize that it does not encourage people to commit mistakes actively. If people take action under this mind, the progress of society would be nonsense, and many discoveries are only under the cover of dust of history. We should discriminate the passive mistakes and active mistakes, the former is inevitable but the latter can be avoid by our endeavor and effort.

However, though the failure can facilitate us to progress and discover, we must know that in the world there are many kinds of methods that can promise us to make discovery or progress successfully. According to our experiences and knowledge that are handed from our ancestors, we can avoid unnecessary failure to finish our goal. For instance, under the guidance of knowledge, we can discover the new rules and principles in physics, chemistry and other fields; making circumspect and detailed plans before action can permit our science and technology progress rapidly. In the history of human civilization, we also can find many successful discoveries that correctly avoid the unnecessary failures. Under the direction of former theory in biology and thorough consideration in mathematics and chemistry, Watson and Crick proposed the famous spiral theory about the structure of nuclear acid. Therefore, without committing the unnecessary failure, human also can make great discovery or progress.

To sum up, people do not feel frustrated when they meet failure, because after the well-rounded analysis, they can find the breakthrough of these problems. And what need us more attention is that through our thorough consideration and profound knowledge and rich experience, people also can progress greatly, at the same time avoid committing mistakes.
作者: sblbasler    时间: 2005-3-25 07:58:27

占个坐
作者: comingsoon    时间: 2005-3-25 09:45:43

position:不同意
b1错误的确有助于发现
b2还有其他的方法可以发现
b3如果没有一些必要的技能,错误对发现将没有作用

连接:http://edu.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258727

说理还算清楚,不过具体的例子不够,影响了说服力。B1让步的内容太多了,削弱后文的力度了。B2B3可以调换位置。
--by鬼谷子

作者: annfaye    时间: 2005-3-25 11:01:58

失败是进步的主要途径,分领域
1 个人
2 社区
3 国家
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258744
作者: zzh_skystar    时间: 2005-3-25 13:34:03

一 同意through mistakes can there be discovery or progress.
二 反对only
是不是段落大少了?
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258802
作者: sblbasler    时间: 2005-3-25 14:47:22

交作业
TS:某种意义上说反错误可以有助于发现与进步,但当今社会没有人能通过大量犯错误而成功
B1:反错误可以有助于发现与进步。哥伦布,开普勒,爱迪生的例子。
B2:当今社会为了生存要避免过多的犯错误。
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... 1327572#post1327572

B1的例子是不错的,B2把论述偏离到了生活上面,不妥。论述的过程中某些地方不是很一致。
-by鬼谷子

作者: boancqu    时间: 2005-3-25 15:05:22

position:不同意
b1错误的确有助于发现
b2根据题目推出的问题
b3还有其他的方式

链接:
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258804

B1关于为什么mistake能够带来进步论述的不够清楚。B2支持和反对似乎有些矛盾。B3偏离到了避免mistake的论述上面。
-by鬼谷子

作者: Autosea    时间: 2005-3-25 15:54:06

提纲:同意
1,开发软件如此,编造的个人经历。
2,物理学如此,Galileo,Aristotle,Newton,Einstein,Bohr
3,哲学也如此,Marx,Feuerbach,Hegel

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258839
作者: W-sue    时间: 2005-3-25 16:19:00

今天偶写的这个,不过发上来实在是汗......,写的实在很烂了, 还抄了在同期上给的资料的,不过还有5天都要考了,再烂也希望大家拍一下, 抓紧最后的时间能进步多少就算多少了!! 不能放弃! 谢谢!
138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."
失败是成功之母
p: 同意.
1.错误帮助我们走出误区找到正确的方法
2. 害怕犯错误却会组碍我们尝试新的事物
3. 对于看待失败最好的态度不是去回避它而是在它身上学到东西
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258818
作者: neverfly    时间: 2005-3-25 17:15:28

写完了一点感觉都没有。希望自己会不断好起来
感谢同主题,等自己状态好的时候看看其他大侠的文章,对比学习...
提纲:
开头观点:失败会导致成功,反之未必
1。叙述失败对成功是有帮助的, 尝试新东西的时候失败是难免的, 失败意味着有些知识是忽略的或者不知道的
2。叙述有些失败只是由于粗心,并且是可以避免的。
3。 失败的代价有时候很高
结尾,对待mistakes 的态度


https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=1327778#post1327778
作者: 山坡羊    时间: 2005-3-25 18:15:04     标题: 请大家提提意见,也想请版主给个分。谢谢!

限时写的。
还有6天考,就改了约十个拼写错误就贴上来了。
请大家提提意见,也想请版主给个分。谢谢!

山坡羊.
提纲:
1 错误能帮助发现
2 转折一下。
3 偶然性也能帮助发现,不需错误
4 充分的准备也能带来发现,不需错误。
5 坚信只有错误才能发现会有很多问题
链接:https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258874

另外,抱歉我可能这几天内没有太多时间会改作文,但会牢牢记着的,4。1一定回拍。

抓住了only展开的思路不错,有些地方展开的还不够。
-by鬼谷子

作者: smartyr    时间: 2005-3-25 19:38:01

------提纲------
[B]我把范围限制在科学里[/B]

Position: 部分赞同:除了失败外其它很重的因素:个人努力和机遇
1.科学领域的任何发现和进步与科学家的不懈努力是分不开的
2.机遇也是很重要的
3.当然失败也是很重要:人会理性思考问题,会继承前人已有的成果,总结他们的教训;会从自己的失败中总结经验教训。
http://211.151.90.54/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258888
作者: ivyshoul    时间: 2005-3-25 20:01:55

提纲:
同意可以,但是不同意only
1: 我们的学习过程中,通过改正错误取得进步
2: 自然科学领域,赞同
3: 否定only,主要两个例子,语言学习,和physical progress

31号就考了,留链接,24小时回拍

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258869
作者: arhoo    时间: 2005-3-25 21:22:54     标题: 还有三天了 今天三遍之后逼出第一篇限时成功的东西

观点:在一定范围内同意

B1. 探索和发现当中试错的必要
B2. 错误对日常生活中的个人的进步的益处
B3.错误本省不是充分条件
B4.In Politics 错误要尽量避免因为society cannot afford mistakes

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258913

语言流畅,思路结构都比较清晰。例子丰富。尤其是AW的那个例子很精彩。推荐!
-by鬼谷子

作者: wicwawa    时间: 2005-3-25 22:41:15

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... 1328293#post1328293

position: As German poet Goethe once put it, man errs so long as he strives.  In my point of view, the progresses and discoveries are truly through process of trial-and error. However, the title statement could not serve as the pretext of serious mistakes made by people.

b1: the progress of people's growing from childhood to adolescence and from elementary schools to college campus is just a process they make self-development through trial-and error.
b2: the merits of mistakes not only limit in the youth, but also could find in adult world.
b3: Furthermore, in moral and political world, the merits of mistakes are also obvious.
b4: However, the title statement should not be presented as excuse for some serious mistakes and delinquency made by our government authorities as well as the society, since the expense of these mistakes are too high to take.
作者: xuding_god    时间: 2005-3-25 22:59:15

参考了孙远的提纲
agree
bi: making mistakes bring out valuable experience
b2: from mistakes we will find a new way to approch the success
b3: we should make mistake intellignetly
连接:https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258943 有砖必应
作者: deserteagle    时间: 2005-3-25 23:13:33

------题目------
Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress.
------摘要------
B1:经过失败然后的成功很常见的,举例…
B2:只有通过失败才能成功这个观点是片面的,举例…
B3:只有从失败中学习教训,才能成功
感觉提炼观点,说理不够,希望大家给点建议,谢谢了!
https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258947
作者: 枫丹    时间: 2005-3-26 01:53:48     标题: 感觉有些乱了.不知道算不算跑题?

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258980
我对题目的理解:结论型
只有失败导致成功
1, 题目得到结论的可能性原因:很多新的发现都是来源于失败, 但是这些成功都依赖于人对于克服失败,和从失败中汲取教训
2, 过度的强调失败的作用可能会带来更多的负面效果,因此人们更应该强调避免不必要的失败.
3, 有人提出对于失败的恐惧可能会舒服人们的积极性,从而减小发现的可能。但是如果人们更小心的避免不必要的失败, 他们可能会获得更多的机会。 缺个例子,实在不知道举什么好了。 大家给出个主意吧!!
作者: 鬼谷子    时间: 2005-3-26 09:56:17

UP一下
作者: 天晴了    时间: 2005-3-26 11:05:33     标题: [b]]写完觉得不踏实self-improved的提纲[/b]

Issue138

------syllabus------
Agree with concession
prologue
B1 不犯错不可能  【补充:只有经历犯错的过程 才能达到D,P】
1 discovery和progress 的复杂性和不可预见性决定要犯错
2 人的认知局限性决定要犯错
B2 犯错是有必要的 有助于discovery progress
1 犯错会打破固有的惯性 给DandP提供前提
2 解决问题就是进步
B3 admittedly 犯的错要值 有些错不值得犯 对于D和P来说不值 是阻碍 【表达不清楚 且自觉跑题 换成:但是有时即便经历了犯错的过程,也不是全能得出D,P的】
作者: 鬼谷子    时间: 2005-3-26 19:25:41

顶一下,单独发文的同学把提纲和链接贴进来吧
作者: nasha    时间: 2005-3-27 09:13:43     标题: 开始学习改作文

Position: It is well-known that mistakes play a beneficial rold in guiding our actions in life and science, however, the statament that only through mistakes can lead us to discovery or progress is somewhat overstated and misleading.
A.In the field of personal life, human being has to learn from countless experience, accompanying with a myriad of mistakes.(theory:Skinner; example:  our childrenhood and our educational experience)
B.In the field of science, making mistakes usually means getting one step closer to success for making one mistake implies excluding one more failure.(example: Carter invented plane, Columbia Incident好象有点牵强)
C.However, making mistakes is not the solely key element for progress or discovery.(Mrs. Courier discovered radium by accident, and other factors)
Ending:The statement overstates the significance of mistakes. After all, one would not attain accomplishments unless one correct it, otherwise, mistakes will necessarily bring about oppression and failure instead.

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259288
作者: skating_doll    时间: 2005-3-27 16:28:37

第一篇Issue
提纲:
一、背景+引题+观点:反对

二、错误不是必要条件,事实上,人们常常没有错误也能发现或进步。

1     by chance

2。后人的推进并不代表前人错误。

3。一个领域的进步常常可以联系到某些重大的发现、成果等等。

三、错误不是充分条件

4。仅仅有错误是不够的。

四、相信这一点是危险的。根据命题的逻辑,我们应该尽量犯错吗?

事实上,我们出发点应该是仔细谨慎。从对中一样能够学习

五、结尾
任何时候,错误都不能够代替学习分析的能力和勤奋

https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthre ... 1331168#post1331168
作者: ouzhang    时间: 2005-3-28 22:16:58

我的issue很烂
还请大家多多帮忙

In the era of the roaring development of society, people often talk about the mistakes. Are discovery and progress made only through mistakes, as the speaker asserts? In my view, mistakes are common thing, it could let us know our weakness and decrease the distance to success continually, but not all the discovery and progress made should through mistakes.
Admittedly, this world is filled with mistakes that emerged every time. Before we do a thing, we would have a explicitly goal, and then we could do it in our own ways. We can not predict the result of what we did. Success or failure is not only depending on someone’s abilities but also the objective of thing rather than only us. For supporting example, one needs look no further than my personal experience. When I was a child, I am very like planting flowers. I think that as long as I water them everyday, they could have grown very well. In fact, many flowers do not need too much water. But I do not know the characteristic of the flowers which is objective, even if I want them grow better. At last, a lot of flowers died for a few days. In short, mistakes is unavoidable because many things is can not change with our mind.
We often hear that failure is the mother of success. It just tells us that mistakes could promote the development of technology innovative, when we get education and training from mistakes. Consider, for example, how we progress in the scientific knowledge. Our scientific method is essentially a call for progress through trial-and error. Any new theory must withstand rigorous scientific scrutiny. One modern example involves a farm chemical named 666. Researchers who find the chemical failed 665 times. They get moral from every failure, and improve their methods continually. At 666 times, they succeed in researching this farm chemical, and therefore named it as 666.Consequently, provided we have right and active attitude toward mistakes, we could make some discoveries and progress.
However, not all discovery and progress made should through mistakes. For example, from the arts aspect, their progress come from themselves’ understand to the society and natural rather than mistakes. Like the impressionist printers, their prints reveal their resentful to the societies’ a variety of frightfulness phenomenon. The deeper they understand the more important problem they reveal. From the natural science aspects, their progress spring from their empirical observation and exploration to the natural. Darwin finds out the original of the species, through a lot of exploration and observation to the natural.
To sum up, when we encounter mistakes, we should have right and active attitude to it in order to making some progress. However, in some other fields, such as arts and natural science, we could also make progress directly rather that though mistakes. In the final analysis, I fundamentally disagree with the speaker’s assertion.
作者: situhuizi    时间: 2005-3-29 09:24:40

精华区里的来自嘉文博译的issue138  是我复习期间看到的最有思想的一篇文章了,考试写出这样的不是很现实,但是其思想深度和语言不由不暗暗敬佩啊~




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