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本帖最后由 gantian 于 2010-2-6 11:47 编辑
阶段性总结一:对于Argu的思考。
一、精华贴笔记:
1.给非非牛人的感想(https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=933101&page=1#pid1772470866)
个人很不喜欢模板,可以说很少用模板,所以也建议大家,那种所谓的A模板,写了500字其中350都是废话,没有一点内涵,你要清楚,改你的作文的是老美,他们每天阅读无数的作文,看一眼就知道你这篇文章有多少你自己的痕迹,有多少你的模板,而上面已经提到了,AW不是考语言,是考逻辑!所以对于A,我的观点是:不要从一个批判者的角的看,ETS不是想让你把这篇文章批驳得一无是处,而是想让你帮助这篇文章如何改进,所以不要说一些很肯定的反对之类的话语,而要委婉的提出他这个遗漏了啥,one may be more interested into the argument if theauthor should renderus..类似于这样的话,然后结尾我的建议是不要重复那些要改进啥,没有多大意义,这个我通常放在每段结尾捎带提下,结尾可以写下这篇a说服力不够(the argument lacks credibility) OR 肯定它的出发点是好的但是论证过程有问题(比如说想要人民更健康)itmay render us the appealing information aboutsth然后一句话点出这篇A还要仔细考虑从之类的话,最后加一个不这样做可能的结果。。
ps:特别注意哪些新东方教的逻辑错误,这是帮助你找到错误的第一步,但是千万别记住什么这是那个那个错误,什么什么用词,这样的语言千万别用,很死很干!!后面我附了一个我自己总结的新东方那些错误,关键是让你们知道都有哪些错误,只要自己会找就行,不用在意名词和术语!!
关于BODY的论证,个人强烈建议看看Imong的A论证三部曲,个人收获最大!!
另外,个人最后最大的感悟,你一定要在举了例子后好好分析这个例子为什么能支持你的TS,这个才是体现你的analytical 的地方,举例子谁不会,一举一大串,但是你加入个人的分析之后,整个段落完全不一样,就变成饱满而有逻辑的了。
还有很重要:最后一定要在AWP界面上练习想提纲[这个是在将Argu研究熟练后开始考虑的事情],因为你到时候考试的时候是面对着电脑不是纸啊)面对电脑那种random的想提纲,锻炼才是最有效的!!
2.Argu论证如何展开(https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/thread-175162-1-1.html)
by springy
The fact that experienced employees showed little improvement in theseareas cannot support that experienced workers have no progress afterthe retreat. In this memo, it seems that the speaker defined theimprovement only to be an increase of calls handled, and a decrease ofthe complaints from customers. However, the definition is quite limited because the speaker just focused on the number, butignored the quality. Maybe the calls handled by experienced employeesgave the customers more satisfaction than before, although the numberwas not added apparently, and the company hadn't noted the betterreflections from customers.
Another possibility also exist thatthe progress of those new employees the speaker had found was not thedirect result of the retreat. In fact, longer time in the work fieldand more thinking are always helpful for everyone to improve his workefficiency.
后面那个another possibility没看出来在说什么,不过前面关于quality和数量的区别的确给说了个清清楚楚。
再例如seeseafast提到的more patient之类的方面,都是比such as skills on other aspects要好得多。
by imong
In addition, the fact that experienced employees showed little improvements after the latest retreat does not necessarily follows that it is unworthy to send those experienced workers to all future retreats because in the latest retreat, what kind of training was given and for whom it was designed were not provided, and even worse, whether future retreat will be exactly the same of the latest one is not mentioned. [展开来说] For example, [other possiblity之对现在情况他因的解释]It is quite possible that the major purpose of the latest treat is to solve the question of experience, that is to say, to teach the trainees how to gain experience from the experienced workers, in this sense, it is natural that the already experienced employees would improve little compared with the novice. [other possiblity之还可能出现的其他情况]However, if the future treats are to focus on the creativity or originality of its employees, the result might be on the contrary.Under such circumstance, it is entirely possible that the experienced employees will improve greatly while the new employees achieve little. [整体结论,给出补救措施]Unless the arguer could confirm that the future retreats will not be designed for experienced employees as the latest one does, to exclude experienced employees from all future retreats will by no means be a wise practice.
很可惜的是并没有这个TS下面的ETS范文,不过参照范文我们也可以看出来一些端倪:
[TS]However, the citizens of Forestville are failing to consider other possible alternatives to the increasing car accidents after the raisein speed limit. [Alternative1]Such alternatives may include the fact that there are less reliable cars traveling the roads in Forestville, or[Alternative2]
that the agebracket of those in Elmsford may be more conducive to drivingsafely. [展开论述2]It is possible that there are more younger, inexperienced, or more elderly, unsafe drivers in Forestville than there are in Elmsford. 前面的age bracket在下一句得到了很好的阐述 [Alternative3]
In addition, the citizens have failed to consider the geographical andphysical terrain of the two different areas. [展开论述3]Perhaps Forestville'shighway is in an area of more dangerous curves, sharp turns, or hasmany intersections or merging points where accidents are more likely tooccur. 在这里,三个具体的反例用词一下子就说明问题了:很具体,而不是空泛的geographical difference.[总结] It appears reasonable, therefore, for the citizens to focus on these trouble spots than to reduce the speed in the entire area. 从而therefore得到对比就很顺利了,同时不忘交待对方:Elmsford may be an area of easier driving conditions where accidents are less likely to occur regardless of the speed limit.
另外一篇6分的:
Finally,[TS] there is absolutely no evidence provided that high quality(and presumably more expensive) gear is any more beneficial than otherkinds of gear. [展开论述] For example, a simple white t-shirt may provide the same preventative benefit as a higher quality, more expensive, shirtdesigned only for skating. Before skaters are encouraged to investheavily in gear, a more complete understanding of the benefit provided by individual pieces of gear would be helpful.很简单也很清楚明了,注意三句话各自的位置和功用。
而看看同一个题目下面6分和5分的对比:
6
[TS]The argument above is weakened by the fact that it does not take intoaccount the inherent differences between skaters who wear gear andthose who do not. It is at least likely that those who wear gear maybe generally more responsible and/or safety conscious individuals. Theskaters who wear gear may be less likely to cause accidents throughcareless or dangerous behavior. It may, in fact, be their naturalcaution and responsibility that keeps them out of the emergency roomrather than the gear itself.
5
[TS]However, the conclusion that protective gear and reflective equipmentwould "greatly reduce.risk of being severely injured" ispremature. [展开论述] Data is lacking with reference to the total population ofskaters and the relative levels of experience, skill and physicalcoordination of that population. It is entirely possible that furtherresearch would indicate that most serious injury is averted by theskater's ability to react quickly and skillfully in emergencysituations.
对比6分段落的详细分析而言,这里的it is entirely possible未免单薄一些。既没有上面的it may, in fact,be…句的对比总结,也没有it is at least… 的背景铺垫,相当于直接给出了the skaterswho…句(虽然内容上不尽相同)。而这一串total population of skaters, the relative levelsof experience, skill and physical coordination of thatpopulation并没有例如conscious individual这样的反例来得实在。
1.单独列出条目是不够的,如果说such as otherskills的话,为什么不写出来到底是什么skill?如果说improvements cannot be embodied(这个词用的有问题?) in their work,那到底体现在哪里了?如果说they actually MADE improvements,哪些方面,多大程度?etc.
2.从Daffi的段落里面可以看到非常具体的情景,更不用说范文里面for example的详细——而这样非常能够说明问题。False analogy总是虚的,而说清楚因为A地区成天种棉花B地区成天盖房子从而FALSE analogy才是具体的。同时不仅是场景,其中发展的过程也要给说清楚——看看段落里面在具体场景下面的动态描述(结合着对比),我想应该是很明显的。
3.当然啦,这不是说鼓励大家狂拽一气——GITER后面第二个段落未免太发挥到极致了。一句话能够说清楚的没必要啰嗦5句话,上面给出的一个6分段落就是3句话搞定的。问题仍然是:我必须把必要的内容给予充分的交代,把整个过程为什么出现fallacy分析清楚,这个分析就体现在例如上面提到的一些元素里(当然,也许不止)。大家看看范文,自己也可以琢磨一下:从范文里面能够找到什么样的体现论证充实深入的元素?
4.再次证明:这些元素都不是任何一个版本的号称普适的“模版”能够搞定的。
第一,逻辑要严密
对自己下的论断要有说明和阐述,除非显然正确
第二,要具体
如提到other possibilities,other reasons都要指出这些可能性原因
到底指什么
ARGUMENT需要一个严谨而充实的驳论过程,泛泛而谈很难有强大说服力的。而且不仅是指出原因,应该说要把动态的过程分析清楚(if necessary)。
3.Argu的开头和结尾(https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=134092&page=1#pid771949)
[Do not spend a lot of time summarizing the argument unless youthink it will effectively develop your critique. Readers know whichArgument topic you were assigned.]
Unless you think it will effectivelydevelop your critique,可是目前恐怕还没发现哪篇文章因为写了summary从而effectivelydevelop了critique
因此,我认为,开头画上一个段落4到6句话来summarize基本上没有积极的效果,还不如省省力气好好组织深入后面的内容,这种summary性质的文字撑死了一两句话。
Forestville 6
The agrument is well-presented, but not thoroughly well-reasoned. Bymaking a comparison of the region ofForestville, the town with the higher speed limit and therefore automobileaccidents, with the region of Elmsford, an area of a lower speed limit andsubsequently fewer accidents, the argument for reducing Forestville's speedlimits in order to decrease accidents seems logical.
人家commentary的重心都在identifying flaws in the argument / target on central flaws… 花那么大力气写一个垃圾开头没什么意义
Forestville 4
从里面摘出来了两个句子:
1.A logical pathis followed throughout the paragraph and the conclusion is expected.
2. If the twomissing pieces of information had been presented and were in the author'sfavor, then the conclusion that the author made would have been much more soundthan it currently is.
而commentary里面恰好有关于这两个句子的评判:
The first thirdand last third of the essay are relatively insubstantial, consisting mainly of general summary statements (e.g.,"A logical path . . . conclusion is expected" and "If the two .. . more sound than it currently is"). The real heart of the critiqueconsists of minimal development of the two points mentioned above.
[Relatively insubstantial],[general summary statement].这就是给出的评语。
国外6分学生对于AW的建议 (Paraphrase,Restate, not just summarise)
http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=305238&page=1#pid1647439
小结:
A考什么?请大家认真思考。上面的帖子已经给出答案。
A的时间是多少?30min,比Issue少15min,包括更长的题目,难题还需要更多的时间分析。
有限的时间要做最有价值的事。如果大家只有一天可活,大家肯定会觉得给父母说我爱你,要比在QQ上和一个没见过面不知性别的人拉扯好。优势火力要集中方向。很多板油的习作,在开头上面花费了大量的时间。大家重述改写题目就要一个思考的过程。有时候,一个不错的restate开头,可惜伴随的是3段没有充分展开的逻辑论证Body。
再来说结尾,北美的结尾经典2步式:1.指出作者未能支持结论。2.指出还需要哪些信息可以完善这些论证。
第一步,无可非议。结尾提出你的结论,当然第一步是必须走的。第二步呢?有没有必要再变相把每个body的TS都重复一次?个人觉得没必要。但是相对restate题目,复述我们的个人观点是合理的。因此,结尾复述自己的论证逻辑有意义,但相对于Body来说不显得那么重要。做不做,取决于大家的考场时间。似乎孙远提过,如果没时间结尾,宁愿不结尾,去攻击错误。同时,可以使用一句话结尾。那一句话?指出作者未能支持其结论。结尾,通常是两步式,我觉得加上第三步更好。指出作者的结论会带来的bad effect。同样,无时间,只要第一步即可。
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