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cheesechan 发表于 2017-1-8 18:32
yes, 但是這回輪到visa是問題了.

所以去美國的話可能還是要去CS....

请问为什么学统计visa是问题？

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huntercarl 发表于 2017-1-13 22:58
请问为什么学统计visa是问题？

you are an international students
=> the company need to sponsor you if they are going to hire you (after all those OPT)
=> they have to file the application of H1B for you.
=> this H1B lucky draw is a risky one (it is random at the end), so the company will try to avoid it by hiring those with US passport, or green card, or etc instead.
=> unless the field is really short of qualified applicant, (or unless you are good enough to fight for those company who don't care about these visa issue), many companies restrict their opening to those only have the correct visa.
=> you have much less opening to apply for.

why CS? truly, the gap of labour demand in CS is already decreasing, it is still better than statistics...(as STEM, stat is not bad indeed too, but it is still too risky for those who go with immigration purpose) and you can always go with something within between CS and stat with a CS master (e.g machine learning)

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cheesechan 发表于 2017-1-14 00:05
you are an international students
=> the company need to sponsor you if they are going to hire yo ...

All the facts are true, but stat majors do have a much better job market in the States (compared to Canada). Most of my friends in the US with stat-related majors succeeded in finding employers that are willing to sponsor H1B. The thing is US is a much much larger market than Canada. Even if the majority of employers are not willing to sponsor H1Bs, the rest still holds a large number of positions (open to foreigners). Meanwhile in Canada, some of my friends (mostly are stats major) also face a dangerous situation that their PGWPs are expiring but they didn't get a file number for immigration yet.
Main problem may be the lucky draw, but now STEM majors have two chances to be drawn. It is a relatively small chance that you are unlucky for both. For the lucky draw, CS majors face the same situation. In this sense, I don't really see any big difference between stats and cs.
BTW, stats do have positions in the research institutes/hospitals where you can get non-capital H1B and avoid the lucky draw.

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会飞的茄子 发表于 2017-1-9 09:04
统计的phd路过一下，现在授课型的很好申了，听同学讲她朋友国内不知名学校gpa七十多去了多大的授课统计，现 ...

请问现在加国统计硕士就业怎么样？在加国什么专业的就业好？

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kumababy 发表于 2017-1-14 02:00
All the facts are true, but stat majors do have a much better job market in the States (compared ...

谢谢，您提到美国统计有更好的就业市场。当然，同时美国也有更多的竞争者。所以想请问一下，美国统计的就业市场更好指的是绝对的体量大，还是对于个人来说，就业的难度更小？

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kumababy 发表于 2017-1-14 02:00
All the facts are true, but stat majors do have a much better job market in the States (compared ...

- concerning the question: how much employer are willing to hire international
i will suggest OP to investigate on job-seeking website him/herself before so.

- do agree that US has a much bigger job market than Canada.

- I am not interested in US, but this is what I heard: as STEM, the OPT is long enough for 3 H1B lucky draw. The prob of getting it each draw is now around 50% for master student, and thus the overall failure prob is around 1/8, after all the effort of fighting for a job (and expensive tuition). [disclaimer: reader please verify the number oneself, i bear no responsibility for that..]

- given OP has a finance and risk background, I guess it is costly / difficult if not impossible to get a role in those institution that dont need lucky draw.

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huntercarl 发表于 2017-1-14 11:03
谢谢，您提到美国统计有更好的就业市场。当然，同时美国也有更多的竞争者。所以想请问一下，美国统计的就 ...

终于可以打中文了哈哈。

美国的优势就是绝对体量大。具体到个人，我不觉得难度会变小。当然这也取决于你怎么看待“难度”。就我身边不大的样本（但是可以称得上样本了），美国的好处就是机会多，所以海投效率高，或者说海投比较doable。一个月全国范围投，你总能投出上百份，即使回复率不高（lets suppose 5%），你也能拿到几个interviews，然后继续进下一轮。在加拿大，可能对口的position数量是美国的n分之一（n远大于5），即使海投回复率相同，你收到的面试也会少很多。所以结果就是，美国找工作快。当然，finally大家基本上都找到了acceptable的工作。
加拿大的好处呢，节奏慢，加班少，一旦找到工作，就没事了。
以上都是个人观点。

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cheesechan 发表于 2017-1-14 19:04
- concerning the question: how much employer are willing to hire international
i will suggest O ...

当然了，楼主需要自己explore，我只是给出这种可能做参考。以我的经验（I hold 2 MS degrees and am pursuing PhD），没有太大必要concern方向的问题，特别是本科的方向。大把biostat的phd最后去了银行工作，反方向的少些，比如精算硕士博士没什么可能去医院。但本科读精算，研究生读统计的，我倒认识一个，第一份工作就是做biostat。当然，取决于楼主自己的志向和爱好。

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kumababy 发表于 2017-1-16 12:21
终于可以打中文了哈哈。

美国的优势就是绝对体量大。具体到个人，我不觉得难度会变小。当然这也取决 ...

I am not in US or Canada, but for curiosity, would like to ask:

都知道美國是加拿大的N倍, 不過想問一下, 美國找工作受location的影響有多大?
e.g. 在西岸讀書, 找midwest, 東岸的工作的難度是如何呢?

我在想的是, 如果整個美國和加拿大比, 當然大N倍, 但是如果只是和美國某個區域比, 這個N就可能沒那麼大了...

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cheesechan 发表于 2017-1-16 19:31
I am not in US or Canada, but for curiosity, would like to ask:

都知道美國是加拿大的N倍, 不過想 ...

我会觉得，in a sense，location在美国不像加拿大影响这么大。
西岸读书，找midwest工作的我听说的很少。我的朋友多半是midwest，东岸上学，STEM专业大部分找到了西岸的工作。无他，西岸的data scientist职位多啊！而且，美国的college town可比加拿大多太多了，那么多R1学校的毕业生，是不可能留在学校当地找工作的。我在midwest大农村某校呆过一年，认识的朋友们（各专业都有了），小部分留在了附近大企业，绝大部分找到了外州，主流是加州，然后是Texas，还有些零星其他州的比如俄勒冈，这个基本取决于业内大企业的location。毕竟sponsor H1B的，大半还是大企业。我能想到的location主要的影响，是面试方便程度，对于非STEM的专业影响还是有的。比如哥大那些reputation并不怎么样，传闻招生各种水的program，我小范围认识的朋友，没有找不到工作的，因为NYC／NJ的risk／finance工作机会实在是多。反而Rochester（算NY上州吧？）的finance，academically很好，知道的几个MSF都没有留在美国。
加拿大的主要问题大概是移民？毕竟很多人还是靠省提名的，不留在毕业的省份，有时候会有麻烦。所以AB毕业的学生，即使在ON的发展前景更好，很多人也选择在AB呆到拿到身份再relocate。
也许还有我没有考虑到的方面。但是以上是我的第一印象。我也希望移民局能把移民问题搞得更make sense一些，毕竟统计／金融类的毕业生困在草原省并不能说是什么好现象。

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再说一个吧，比如Waterloo区域号称加拿大的新硅谷，Montreal正在慢慢发展成machine learning的一个hub，然而，比起SF／Bay area的产业规模，我觉得这个类比简直是个joke。

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看到帖子所讨论的都是多伦多地区，想问一下去蒙特利尔的concordia读统计本科专业蒙城好就业吗？还是一定要读到硕士？现在正在等offer，不知道就业如何

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会飞的茄子 发表于 2017-1-9 09:04
统计的phd路过一下，现在授课型的很好申了，听同学讲她朋友国内不知名学校gpa七十多去了多大的授课统计，现 ...

hello层主，我今年刚被哥哈统计录取，还在纠结中。您最后去了吗，没去的话为何拒了呢？哥哈统计专业有什么问题吗？