issue47 是否 place enough emphasis问题

lakeqianUID：157560

Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect-that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.[issue47]
其实写写改改半天仍然觉得这篇写的不太好。有点实证代替规范啦。本文全部赞成原题。认为enough了。

TS:很难决定是否enough因为标准不同。基于满足日常使用这个标准，我认为对于XXXX的强调已经enough。
废段。。。跳过
B1艺术领域，从理解艺术的标准来说我们可以正常理解-->enough cognitive skill
B2科学领域people now possess enough cognitive skills enabling them to understand the current artifacts
B3reasoning is also emphasized enough in the light of the fact that considerate and impartial judgment in society is already built which is a sure outcome of enough reasoning ability.

从结果推原因是有点问题（还有别的论证办法吗？），但是应该一直扣住了论证enough问题吧？？？
另：这篇文章是事实型，因此似乎不必涉及其他需要社会强调的内容，只用说intellect这方面。
It is hard to determine whether the emphasis placed on intellect—reasoning and cognitive skills is enough due to different criterion about the issue. However, in order to cater to the everyday life, the emphasis placed on reasoning and cognitive skills is enough for average citizens.

Our society has already place enough emphasis on the cognitive skills and reasoning in that the society’s formal education fulfills its aim of teaching us the basic principles in many fields such as art and science, which secures adequate cognitive skills for our everyday use.

In the domain of art, the basic principles of different art schools in terms of art techniques are imparted to the average citizens. We are happy and reassured to find that civilized men and women are capable of understanding art works of its color use, canvas layout other techniques and finally the inner emotion the artist conveys via their works. Many of us can figure out the glimmering color in <sunrise> and the outrage of war in the painting of <pigeon>. Therefore, in terms of appreciating art, our cognitive skills are enough for us to cogitate art works.

Besides, in the field of science, people now possess enough cognitive skills enabling them to understand the current artifacts—implements and buildings though they may be not informed about them directly. Universities have taught us about the marrow of natural science is to deduce the unknown from the known and about the basic principles in different fields. For example, equipped with physics’ basic analytic method of force and balance, we can comprehend and evaluate the robust structure of edifice, the use of suspension cable used in bridge and the delicate equilibrium of the crane. In view of this, we can conclude that cognitive is enough for us to make everyday comprehension towards modern life.

On the other hand, reasoning is also emphasized enough in the light of the fact that considerate and impartial judgment in society is already built which is a sure outcome of enough reasoning ability. One who can reason will doubt why we are created inherently different as asserted by ancient mythology and other sources. Nazi alleged that Germany is genetically better than Jewish and other races. However, after reasoning about the evolution of mankind and consulting the genetics, we can deduce that all races are different due to different environment factors affecting us, while no priority and disparity is founded. Our sufficient reasoning ability precludes rumor and heresy deviating us from the rational.

In a word, the society has put enough emphasis on reasoning and cognitive skills, because we have already seen the fruitful outcome of such emphasis is enough for the everyday use.

gra cie0213UID：157500

感觉你这篇写偏题了，回应的是我们是不是已经拥有了足够的intellect，而不是重视的程度
看看这两个总结性的句子
In view of this, we can conclude that cognitive is enough for us to make everyday comprehension towards modern life.
Our sufficient reasoning ability precludes rumor and heresy deviating us from the rational.

lakeqianUID：157560

引用：回应的是我们是不是已经拥有了足够的intellect，而不是重视的程度
enough就是一个程度问题嘛。。。这道题讨论enough就要有标准--满足日常需求。enough for us to make everyday comprehension towards 。。。就说明足够了。

gra cie0213UID：157500

问题是，这题的enough不是本身的enough而是人类的重视，有主体的

cleonlxUID：172606

我也觉得lakeqian写偏题了…………
你应该论述当前社会评价人的时候主体是什么，是注重一个人的intellect，还是注重他的经验，学历…………
论人类够不够聪明……是跑了……
还有，英文中没有书名号哦。

lakeqianUID：157560

enough不是本身的enough而是人类的重视，有主体的
...那重视到多少才算enough还是要先有个标准嘛。
我是从效果来说明enough的：人们依靠intellect可以生活，因此算是enough。

社会评价人的时候主体是什么
好像与题没关系吧？不涉及评价，你是想说应该强调其他的？
论人类够不够聪明？？intellect=聪明吗？？？？？

lakeqianUID：157560

大家是觉得我从现象推原因从enough 到 place enough不行？
嗯。。。改改。大家有什么思路否？？

Michael7UID：57920

至少，我觉得lakeqian兄要在段末尾的总结句上扣住社会对其的作用情况；
个人认为从现象推原因当然可行，但是因果之间的联系可不能忽视。举例来说，在B3论述艺术方面，可以说社会一直就崇尚艺术的认知，从少儿的培养，到面向大众的博物馆，展览，甚至渗透到生活的各个方面，。。。B4,5也类似，不知你的看法。
BTW，我每天只有固定的时间上网，反馈总是不及时，见谅！

lakeqianUID：157560

在B3论述艺术方面，可以说社会一直就崇尚艺术的认知，从少儿的培养，到面向大众的博物馆，展览，甚至渗透到生活的各个方面...
这样不错，全面，但是。。。似乎不太容易扣上enough的问题吧？嗯，应该可以结合进去。。。博物馆是个好点。
再想想啦~~
3x

Michael7UID：57920

结合上你的效果不就ENOUGH了么

lakeqianUID：157560

嗯3x
谢谢各位！

DendisUID：158017

Society does not place enough emphasis on the intellect-that is, on reasoning and other cognitive skills.[issue47]
其实写写改改半天仍然觉得这篇写的不太好。有点实证代替规范啦。本文全部赞成（？）原题。认为enough了。（题目不是说does not place enough emphasis吗？）

TS:很难决定是否enough因为标准不同。基于满足日常使用这个标准，我认为对于XXXX的强调已经enough。
B1艺术领域，从理解艺术的标准来说我们可以正常理解-->enough cognitive skill（提纲有问题哦，结论是enough skill，但是论题强调的是enough emphasis）
B2科学领域people now possess enough cognitive skills enabling them to understand the current artifacts
B3reasoning is also emphasized enough in the light of the fact that considerate and impartial judgment in society is already built which is a sure outcome of enough reasoning ability. （独特的想法，具有历史维度感，赞一个！不过我猜你想要说这个意思：人类如今的理性文明、价值判断都是强调思辨的结果，对吗？但是从你的段落中意思阐述不太明显）

It is hard to determine whether the emphasis placed on intellect—reasoning and cognitive skills is enough due to different criterion about the issue. However, in order to cater to the everyday life,（这里用in order to我不太理解，看你提纲里是“基于满足日常使用这个标准”，不知道based on之类是否更合适）the emphasis placed on reasoning and cognitive skills is enough for average citizens.

Our society has already place enough emphasis on the cognitive skills and reasoning in that the society’s formal education fulfills its aim of teaching us the basic principles in many fields such as art and science, which secures adequate cognitive skills for our everyday use.
（不太明白这段的作用、结构，如果是论点的话过分单薄，不过是可以作为一个方面展开的。如果作为分领域阐述前的引子的话，为什么不在首段直接提出更为清晰？看你提纲里说废段。。。跳过，是指这个吗，那为什么写上来呢？困惑ing）

In the domain of art, the basic principles of different art schools in terms of art techniques are imparted to the average citizens. We are happy and reassured to find that civilized men and women are capable of understanding art works of its color use, canvas layout other techniques and finally the inner emotion the artist conveys via their works. （说实话，这句话没看懂，从句里是不是说understand art works of its color use、canvas layout other techniques、the inner emotion？不过canvas layout other techniques到底是什么意思？） Many of us can figure out the glimmering color in <sunrise> and the outrage of war in the painting of <pigeon>. Therefore, in terms of appreciating art, our cognitive skills are enough for us to cogitate（这个词用得不好，cogitate是沉思，meditate的意思，而艺术作品的cognition一般用appreciate，understand或apprehend等较合适） art works.（这里的结论有点看不懂，暴露出提纲里我提到的问题，其实你大可不必急忙下结论，而可以顺着例子阐明everyone of us has learned cognitive skills to appreciate art works，以全民学习例证enough emphasis。）

Besides, in the field of science, people now possess enough cognitive skills enabling them to understand the current artifacts—implements and buildings though they may be not informed about them directly. Universities have taught us about the marrow of natural science is to deduce the unknown from the known and about the basic principles in different fields.（这句话倒可以服务于上面那个“废段”） For example, equipped with physics’ basic analytic method of force and balance, we can comprehend and evaluate the robust structure of edifice, the use of suspension cable used in bridge and the delicate equilibrium of the crane. In view of this, we can conclude that cognitive（？cognition吧） is enough for us to make everyday comprehension towards modern life.
（怎么讲，这段的论点其实是和B1类似的，只不过涉及到不同的领域。结尾提及的所谓基于满足日常使用这个标准，我始终不太明白。所以也不太好说）

On the other hand, reasoning is also emphasized enough in the light of the fact that considerate and impartial judgment in society is already built which is a sure outcome of enough reasoning ability. One who can reason will doubt why we are created inherently different as asserted by ancient mythology and other sources. Nazi alleged that Germany is genetically better than Jewish and other races. However, after reasoning about the evolution of mankind and consulting the genetics, we can deduce that all races are different due to different environment factors affecting us, while no priority and disparity is founded. Our sufficient reasoning ability precludes rumor and heresy deviating us from the rational.
（因为我不太清楚你具体想说什么，所以对于你的两个例证感觉不是很到位。按照我所理解的那个论点来说，完全可以举例从古希腊本体论一直到笛卡尔所提出的认识论，再到当今的后现代思潮，都是人类对于自我的不断理性思辨的体现。人类从未中断过对于intellect的追寻可以被认作是enough emphasis。）

In a word, the society has put enough emphasis on reasoning and cognitive skills, because we have already seen the fruitful outcome of such emphasis is enough for the everyday use.
（这篇文章我看了很多遍，生怕有的地方会改错，但想来可能还是很多方面有理解的误区，也请lakeqian见谅了！

首先谈一下你的破题，好像你的切入点是设置“满足日常使用这个标准”作为判断是否enough的界定标准。但是究竟什么才是所谓的日常使用标准呢？全文根本没有界定，由于你之后又开始分领域阐述，对于不同的领域自然有不同的日常使用标准，由此也随之而来一系列的读者理解上的偏差。所以使用这样一个标准我个人感觉不是很合适，而且无论从你说的欣赏艺术作品还是理解房屋、桥梁结构，似乎与满足日常使用并无太大关联，就算不欣赏艺术作品或不知道物理结构同样可以满足日常使用，所以感觉这样一个标准的设置没什么太大的意义，反而有破坏全局结构的嫌疑。

大家说你偏题的原因在于你的全文的唯一所清晰展示的就是人们拥有sufficient cognition，这固然可以作为一个论据，但正如我在你的分析中所指出的一样，你要点名这样的sufficient cognition背后的人们对于cognition的重视才可以，否则一味强调现象而不注意结论的引导自然会产生偏题的倾向。其实你只要注意做好这样一个引导的工作就能扭转乾坤，加强论证！

Cleonlx所说的讨论人的主体其实是从反面来强调社会过分重视intellect。例如说：我们现在的人才招聘首要注意的就是文凭，这体现什么？就是对于intellect的过分看重，即enough emphasis。从对于人的评价方面也可以作为论证的一个方面

当然，对你这篇文章而言，我认为三个论点重新组合：即把废段作为B1，原来的B1和B2合并，原来的B3改换例子重新论证。如此而来可能会使全文的命脉更加清晰合理一点，不过也是我的个人意见，不知道你如何看？

说了那么多，不知道lakeqian是否都理解？可以看出你的进步，语言方面的锤炼已经很娴熟了，继续加油！关于论证我想可能和你Argument写的不多也有关系哦，反正你再仔细斟酌一下大家的意见，我们相信你会越来越强！）

imongUID：140258

开头就让人迷惑 到底是由于criteria不同而难以判断 还是就能够判断？
这俩好像不是however能接起来，而是对立的吧？

cater to这个词用得不好
has place enough emphasis on —— word里面还有线吗？

lakeqianUID：157560

汗。。。。。。。。。真是抱歉。。。无语。。。这么多问题。。。改改。。。
bow bow bow.....

lakeqianUID：157560

重写了正文两段：
Society, via formal education, has placed enough emphasis on the intellect because schools trained us extensively on reasoning and cognitive skills. The teaching method is always that teachers impart certain basic principles to us and leave some applied problems for us to solve. For instance, we are only taught about the abstract float theory. From the theory, we are encouraged to understand the theory and deduce a certain submarine with given weight and volume can actually float or sink. In the process of training, we use our cognitive skill to understand the theory and reasoning skill to deduce that in a concrete circumstance how can the theory work. In such process of drilling, the education inculcates the intellect into our mind.

Besides, society also demonstrates enough emphasis being placed on intellect. People with outstanding intellect always work as scientists and engineers. And these jobs are generally highly praised by the media and respected by the masses. Scientists such as Galileo, Einstein and Bohr are interpreted as heroes by mass media and acknowledged by the public and engineers, whether be electronic or mechanic engineers are among the most decent job with a handsome salary. Fame, high salary and public esteem reveal that intellect is an important feature appreciated by the society.

这段只改了点小错，还要再想想：Moreover(on the third hand?hehe…), reasoning is also emphasized enough in the light of that reasoning ability has already built considerate and impartial judgment. One who can reason aptly will doubt that we are created inherently different as asserted by ancient mythology and other sources. Nazi alleged that Germany is genetically better than Jewish and other races. However, after consulting about the human evolution and the genetics, we can reason ourselves into that all races are different only due to different environmental factors affecting us, while no priority and disparity is founded. Preclusion of rumor and heresy substantiates our sufficient reasoning ability.
感觉这次写的离enough远点了。。。但愿表达清楚点~~~bow

另外：至于：独特的想法，具有历史维度感，赞一个！不过我猜你想要说这个意思：人类如今的理性文明、价值判断都是强调思辨的结果，对吗？
不独特！280篇里copy来的。。。而且还没说清。