Issue110 很辛苦的熬了三个小时，请指教

onlyfishUID: 192741

Issue110  第10篇 让砖头来得更猛烈些吧！
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When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.
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How to define the terminology objective pursuit is the key to develop the given issue. Merely according to the statement the exploring of history is so-called a creative enterprise because we never know the past directly but construct it by interpreting evidence. Actually, that is nearly the same in exploring science. If we consider the study of science is objective which relies on a undoubtedly fact, then the processing of studying history is also an objective pursuit, for it shares the same main principle of science.

However, history which is only an explantion drawn from logical deduction only can be proved by facts, while science premise and presumptuous explanation can be examined in a systematic and scientific method ---- mathematics, and that is what makes different between the two.

It is so obvious in the study of entity in science, for it can be simply established by seeing them from the advanced equipment and with the developing technology, we indeed cannot deny the existence of some certain entities, in this way the discovery of a new element can strongly supported.  As to history, while there is no such technique to reflect the past time, there is no such a tangible image to become potent evidence to uphold it and make sure that every detail is correct.

Perhaps, the idea is not very proper, because the way of exploring history is more like the way to give an explanation rather than discover a new material. There is another kind of research in science which deals with the explanations of some nature phenomena. We use the similar way of studying history to beginning the study. To give an explanation, scientists first provide a likely premise theory according to some observed facts and other established theories like the historians give an explanation based on interpreting evidence. So far, it has been exactly the same as studying history, But in next step, they are different. In order to demonstrate whether the science theory is true or false, scientists use specific way to speculate the possible result of the mode whose result is known according to the theory. If the speculated result is coinciding with the fact, it means that the premise is correct; if not it means the premise needs to be revised. During this course, mathematics plays a important role. It is sheer logical thinking avoiding prejudice, which prevailingly exist in the thinking. It offers us a scientific method to demonstrate the science explanation, whereas the history cannot be demonstrated in such a justice way.

Vestiges which are rare are the sole objective evidence to support the discoveries of history, and some valuable sites are destroyed to large extent. But even those concrete entities, which preserved in good condition, cannot show all the details. Because each piece of evidence is just like an individual pearl, only accumulated in a enough number then the necklace can be made, but the method to make it varies from individual to individual and the thread is imagination. in this way, historians' explanation is formed by using limited facts to make up a whole history which is like the author to use some archetypes to develop a story. Both are need imagining as well deducing.

Sometimes the history is entirely story for historians used the pure stories such as sage legends to rebuild the history. They collect those legends and join them together like some story collectors , and there comes the history.

In conclusion, historians are storytellers, because there is no objective and systematic way to examine every step they deduce, nor there is no sheer just record to depend on when comes to the details. Historians rebuild the history on their own experience and perceptions. In this way, historians share the most important features of storytellers, and the most important factor in reconstructing is the imagination.

everystepUID: 168194

How to define the terminology objective pursuit is the key to develop the given issue. Merely according to the statement the exploring of history is so-called a creative enterprise because we never know the past directly but construct it by interpreting evidence. Actually, that is nearly the same in exploring science. If we consider the study of science is objective which relies on a an undoubtedly fact, then the processing of studying history is also an objective pursuit, for it shares the same main principle of science. 第一段最好能把观点和下面各段的走向暗示出来，我第一遍看还以为你支持是OBJECTIVE PURSUIT 呢，或者再起草一个开头放前面，我的建议

However, history which is only an explanation drawn from logical deduction only can be proved by facts, while science premise and presumptuous explanation can be examined in a systematic and scientific method ---- mathematics, and that is what makes different between the two.

It is so obvious in the study of entity 你这边的 ENTITY, for example,举个例子读者可能更好想一点，太抽象了in science, for it can be simply established by seeing them from the advanced equipment and with the developing technology, we indeed cannot deny the existence of some certain entities, in this way the discovery of a new element can strongly supported. As to history, while there is no such technique to reflect the past time, there is no such a tangible image to become potent evidence to uphold it and make sure that every detail is correct.，近代史呢，很多材料支持阿，或者大家是见证人

Perhaps, the idea is not very proper, 你自己都说不妥阿，呵呵because the way of exploring history is more like the way to give an explanation rather than discover a new material. There is another kind of research in science which deals with the explanations of some nature phenomena. We use the similar way of studying history to beginning the study. To give an explanation, scientists first provide a likely premise theory according to some observed facts and other established theories like the historians give an explanation based on interpreting evidence. So far, it has been exactly the same as studying history, But in next step, they are different. In order to demonstrate whether the science theory is true or false, scientists use specific way to speculate the possible result of the mode whose result is known according to the theory. If the speculated result is coinciding with the fact, it means that the premise is correct; if not it means the premise needs to be revised. During this course, mathematics plays aan important role. It is sheer logical thinking avoiding prejudices, which prevailingly exist in the thinking. It offers us a scientific method to demonstrate the science explanation, whereas the history cannot be demonstrated in such a justice way. 类比得出了结论：历史的研究手法不科学。呵呵，如果再加一句，带上最后要证明的历史学家是说故事的人就更好了

Vestiges which are rare are the sole objective evidence to support the discoveries of history, and some valuable sites are destroyed to large extent. But even those concrete entities, which preserved in good condition, cannot show all the details. Because each piece of evidence is just like an individual pearl, only accumulated in aan enough number then the necklace can be made, but the method to make it varies from individual to individual and the thread is imagination. in this way, historians' explanation is formed by using limited facts to make up a whole history which is like the author to use some archetypes to develop a story. Both are need imagining as well deducing.这一段论证得不错

Sometimes the history is entirely story for historians used the pure stories such as sage legends to rebuild the history. They collect those legends and join them together like some story collectors, and there comes the history.可以不写啊，也没证明，宁断一指不伤十指，个人意见

In conclusion, historians are storytellers, because there is no objective and systematic way to examine every step they deduce, nor there is no sheer just record to depend on when comes to the details. Historians rebuild the history on their own experience and perceptions. In this way, historians share the most important features of storytellers, and the most important factor in reconstructing is the imagination.

语言功底很强阿，几乎没什么大错误，注意an哦，别什么都a，呵呵
论证是基于假设上的，比较抽象，我不太理解，除了假设以外，论证得不错
再把文章组织组织，TS和开头加强一下，会更好
我一点点小意见，加油阿，写得真长阿，羡慕

everystepUID: 168194

我终于会变色了，嘻嘻

还有你第二段的过渡段不错，学习学习

指向大海UID: 158737

How to define the terminology objective pursuit is the key to develop the given issue. Merely according to the statement the exploring of history is so-called a creative enterprise because we never know the past directly but construct it by interpreting evidence. Actually, that is nearly the same in exploring science. If we consider the study of science is objective which relies on a undoubtedly fact, then the processingprocess of studying history is also an objective pursuit, for it shares the same main principle of science.

However, history which is only an explantionexplanation drawn from logical deduction only can be proved by facts, while science premise and presumptuous explanation can be examined in a systematic and scientific method ---- mathematics, and that is what makes differentdifferences between the two.

It is so obvious in the study of entity in science, for it can be simply established by seeing them from the advanced equipment and with the developing technology, we indeed cannot deny the existence of some certain entities, in this way the discovery of a new element can strongly supported. As to history, while there is no such technique to reflect the past time, there is no such a tangible image to become potent evidence to uphold it and make sure that every detail is correct.

Perhaps, the ideaanalogy,这样的话逻辑上是不是好一些,你是想说历史和科学的类比不很恰当对把? is not very proper, because the way of exploring history is more like the way to give an explanation rather than discover a new material. There is another kind of research in science which deals with the explanations of some nature phenomena. We use the similar way of studying history to beginning the study. To give an explanation, scientists first provide a likely premise theory according to some observed facts and other established theories like the historians give an explanation based on interpreting evidence. So far, it has been exactly the same as studying history, Butbut in next step, they are different. In order to demonstrate whether the science theory is true or false, scientists use specific way to speculate the possible result of the mode whose result is known according to the theory. If the speculated result is coinciding with the fact, it means that the premise is correct; if not it means the premise needs to be revised. During this course, mathematics plays aan important role. It is sheer logical thinking avoiding prejudice, which prevailingly exist in the thinking. It offers us a scientific method to demonstrate the science explanation, whereas the history cannot be demonstrated in such a justice way.

Vestiges which are rare The rare vestiges are the sole objective evidence to support the discoveries of history, and some valuable sites are destroyed to large extent. But even those concrete entities, which preserved in good condition, cannot show all the details. Because each piece of evidence is just like an individual pearl, only accumulated in a enough number then the necklace can be made, but the method to make it varies from individual to individual and the thread is imagination.这一句好好,你从哪学来的? in this way, historians' explanation is formed by using limited facts to make up a whole history which is like the author to use some archetypes to develop a story. Both are are去掉 need imagining as well deducing.

Sometimes the history is entirely storyan entire story for historians used the pure stories such as sage legends to rebuild the history. They collect those legends and join them together like some story collectors , and there comes the history.

In conclusion, historians are storytellers, because there is no objective and systematic way to examine every step they deduce, nor there is no sheer just record to depend on when comes to the details. Historians rebuild the history on their own experience and perceptions. In this way, historians share the most important features of storytellers, and the most important factor in reconstructing is the imagination.

呵呵,读完你的文章还是有些云里雾里,不知道你以前是否总用这种假设呢?很可能是偶水平不够,不过科学和历史扯一块有些……还有,文章的构思是不是有些中式化,层层下来,最后说重点很含蓄historians share the most important features of storytellers, and the most important factor in reconstructing is the imagination.第5段才提出的imagination是不是开头就可以说呢?

onlyfishUID: 192741

二楼，谢谢阿，我回去再找点例子，有的时候想到例子，但是专有名词不会写：（
这是我写过的最长的一篇一休了，真辛苦
一起努力！

bcomerUID: 182621

最初由 onlyfish 发布
[B]二楼，谢谢阿，我回去再找点例子，有的时候想到例子，但是专有名词不会写：（
这是我写过的最长的一篇一休了，真辛苦
一起努力！ [/B]

专有名词不会可以用GOOGLE搜啊
或着贴出来，MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU.
:)

onlyfishUID: 192741

以为我有的时候就是当场写，结果那天想了一个俄国诗人马雅可夫斯基，可是真是不会写，结果去google上搜了也没找到。
俄国人，可能比较麻烦：（

马雅可夫斯基

bcomerUID: 182621

……真的很有难度，俄国人还要找英文译名……

找了半天，GOOGLE本有一个网页写了，可惜过期了：（

指向大海UID: 158737

我觉得碰到这样的情况还是花更多时间在文章的论证上而不是例子上的好

fengboallanUID: 157405

onlyfish,我建议看看这篇文章吧，我觉得挺棒的。语言和说理都不错
http://211.151.90.54/bbs/showthr ... 1247035#post1247035