《GRE作文应对》6月19日寄托主题聊天纪录(钱坤强)

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对GRE作文的基本介绍：
*阿默对所有人说：钱老师将先介绍一下GRE作文的准备和写作思路
GRE writing is divided into two essays. One is called "Perspective on an Issue"
in which you have to express your own views concerning a given topic.
You can either favor, oppose or qualify a statement.
You express your own views. In another type of essay, the Argument, you comment
on how reasonable a statement is. The statement is always plausible.
It is wrong for the most part and you have to point out those logical errors
and indicate what is the correct logic.
At present, there is only one book on writing. I also said that I am preparing
another book. In my forthcoming book, I will provide 101 sample essays.
The difficulty with the argument is to discover at least two and best 3 logical
mistakes made.
Structure is one of the three main factors in ensuring a good GRE essay.
It is wise to take in November because by that time you can learn from the
experiences of others.

问：我们还需要考逻辑吗？
答：No. The analytical section is canceled.

问：我没复习过以前的逻辑，也无逻辑理论知识，需不需要在补一下，还是背范文就行
答：You can simply ignore the previous analytical section.
：No.

问：A改成AW后--以前的真题是否就此失去模拟价值--只能做练习题?
答：Yes, the original analytical section can be completely ignored.

问：钱老师，前后两种GRE考试对申请有何影响
答：At present, ETS or American admissions office will not discriminate.

问：有人说10月以前考的需要再考一个作文，是这样吗
答：NO

问：i have taken part in GRE test but writing you think is necessary for me to
take the writing test again
答：NO

问：you mean it will not influence me without writing score
答：Yes.

问：现在有没有关于逻辑作文的范文
答：There are some in the book by Sun Yuan. But I am developing another book.

问：你认为三个月作文能力能从TWE4.0提升到GRE5.0吗？
答：It is not enough. One month is enough.（此句费解）

问：钱老师，你觉得应该背新概念的哪一册呢
答：It is not wise to memorize New Concept.

问：背新概念有用吗
答；It is help, New concept 4

问：钱老师，您觉得是否应该背一些范文？背哪些？另外，能说一下为什么背新概念不好吗？
答：New Concept is not directly related to the type of writing required by GRE.

问：背范文是精选一部分后背的滚瓜烂熟还是多背一些寻找语感
答；You only have to memorize a few

问：Ｍr. Qian, you mean in the test, it is better to write the shorter sentence
than the longer
答：No. Most long sentence. A few short sentences.

问：钱老师，在托福作文里，选择哪钟观点不重要，关键说清自己的道理，还可套用固定句式，在
issue的文章里可以这样吗？
答：The topics in the GRE writing are always changing. All you have memorized
cannot apply. To some extent, you can apply the same technique in TOEFL as in
GRE. But GRE writing is much more difficult.

问：topics in the GRE 不都是来自pool吗？怎么会老是changing
答；GRE writing topics come from all subjects.

问：钱老师--考作文是否要增加词汇量?
答：No. Your GRE vocabulary is enough.

问：钱老师，准备G的作文，需要天天写作文吗？
答：No, you have to write only a few and when you have reached a satisfactory
level, you can take the test.

问：所有的题目都要写一边吗
答：NO

问：作文考到多少分才有用？
答：The ideal score should be 5.0

问：是不是早考会比较容易，阅卷也宽松
答：No. Do not cherish such illusions.

问：我十月考，是不是不好？
答：Oct Test has no advantage, unless you can get high score. But you might be
disoriented.

问：我十一月考，是不是不好？
答：It is wise to take in November because by that time you can learn from the
experiences of others.

问：两种作文有什么区别吗？
答：Issue essays should be more complicated, extended, more polished.

问：我明年三月考，应该如何准备？
答：start reading relevant writing books and try to write some short essays.

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*钱坤强对所有人说：hi, I am back.

问：所有的题目都要写一边吗
答：NO

问：我没复习过以前的逻辑，也无逻辑理论知识，需不需要在补一下，还是背范文就行
答：You can simply ignore the previous analytical section.

问：you mean it will not influence me without writtint score
答：Yes.

问：作文分数要多高？
答：if you get 5.0, you will have no difficulty applying for American
universities.

问：那么5.0不是比2400优势大多了？
答：2400 is not good.

问：有作文成绩是优势吗
答：When all the students are required to take writing test, a good score will
have advantage.

问：作文5。0和2400比较，美国学校选那个？
答：5.0


问：你能分析一下argument文章中常见的逻辑错误吗？
答：The common errors are: false analogy, wrong supposition, false
argumentation, wrong conclusions.


问：我们主要靠自己复习有什么资料推荐
答：if you prepare on yourself, you have one book by Sun Yuan and mine is in
the process of developing.

问：What's name of your new book?
答：It is not named yet.

问：when and where can we get your book? i am prepare for oct.29
答：I cannot tell the exact date of the publication. We want to make it very
good.

问：请推荐一些除了新东方专门针对考试的作文书外的阅读材料，因为虽然临阵磨枪不亮也光，但
毕竟水平的提高才是长久之计答。
答：at present there is no other book specifically. I said I am developing a
book which will offer 101 sample essays.

问：Whether your new book can be bought in SHANGHAI FOREIGN LANGUAGE BOOK STORE?
答：Yes.

问：你的书与孙远那本有何不同
答：I will offer analysis of how an essay should be written.

问：你的书比孙远的会更权威吗？这两本书足够了是吗
答：you can synthesize

问：your book is the key to writing the GRE?
答：I dare not say so. But it will be valuable.

问：钱老师，您的书什么时候能出版呢？我12月考释，还等的着么？
答：by that time, the book might be out.

问：我十月考等得着吗
答：perhaps not. But I will try.

问：如果我们知道了它的逻辑错误，是不是需要把它改正过来阐述答
答：You only have to point out the mistakes and state what is right in your own
opinion.

问：作文准备多久最佳
答：one month is enough for preparing writing

问：钱老师，在isssue类文章里，观点重要吗？有更重要的注意事项吗？
答：as long as your opinions are relevant, they will be ok.

问：钱老师，那么学习以前的逻辑体，会有助于逻辑写作么？还是一点关系都没有？
答：there will be some help, but not too much.

*阿默对所有人说：为了让更多的gter有机会提问，今天的聊天活动将延长半小时，到8点半结
束。请大家注意提问速度，等钱老师回答完再问！

问：我现在还没开始复习，那么对于那么一小点的学习逻辑的优势，是不是就可以放弃了，完全放
弃逻辑。因为我现在甚至连逻辑要靠写什么还不知道呢
答：you only have to analyze those argument essays to see what to write.

问：issue类文章，可以象托福作文一样，套用固定模式？
答：Yes, you can. But you must have better patterns. also, your essays are read
by human readers. Not copy too much.

问：The issue topics showed in the ETS are all topics or changing?
答：Perhaps ETS will change topics in Oct.

问：钱老师，GRE作文是机器评分吗？如果也有题库的话，那我想，是否可以考大家的总结，也总
结出WRTIING的机经？因为机器评分应该有模式的，还有，TOPIC有重复的可能吗，就是说啼哭有
碰到的希望
答：There is a fixed pool. But we do not know whether the pool will change in
the future.

问：Do u think jj will have effect after 1th,oct?
答：jj will be useful because it will tell us whether ETS has changed the pool.


问：如果作文是用手在纸上写的，是不是就只有人工判卷了？
答：According to ETs, writings are read by human readers.

问：作文既然是手写和键盘输入皆可,那么手写文章的话中国学生一般都没有经过英文书法训练,在
鬼子看来可能会感觉很幼稚,那么是否评分时和键盘输入的考生相比会公平呢?
答：I suggest that you type.

问；Mr. Qian, you mean the ETS will choose the topic from the pool?
答：YES

问：pool不会有变吧。有新的范文吗
答：In computerized test, there should be change.

问：but the topic which had been wrote are not in the pool according to your
book and sunyuan?
答：four steps: imitate, write, ask others' opinion and keep improving.

问：作文分数会当场出来吗
答：NO

问：那么我们只采取一种mode?
答：it will be a different mode.

问：作文中的逻辑难度与以前的逻辑题比有什么变化
答：writing test tests your analytical skills and writing skills. The
difficulty will be less.

问：How to score new type ?
答：the score is decided by two human readers.

问：钱老师，在argument里是不是找的逻辑错误越多越好？
答：No. three is enough

问：观点最重要吧
答：Opinions only account for 30%.

问：其他是什么
答：The another 30% is structure and another is language.

问：Mr.Qian, the language means what?
答：You should use standard English.


问：what's the whole score for 3 sections?
答：You only have two sections plus writing.

问：You said 800,800,6 is the whole score?
答：RIGHT

问：逻辑难度降低了，那么如果复习了以前的逻辑题，重点就在于写作功底是把
答：You are absolutely right.

问：文科理科的学生题目都一样吗？
答：the computer won't know whether you are a science or a humanity student.

问：题目到底是怎么样出的呢？
答：The topics are picked at random. You have a choice. In Issue essays, you
are offered two topics and you can choose one.

问：如何运用ets喜欢的语言？多一些gre单词?
答：Use the language in GRE Reading Comprehensions.

问：是不是要背一些专业词汇
答：not necessary.

问：那么gre的阅读可以参考了?
答：Very correct.

问：could you give us some advice on the guide books of writing, pls? such as
your new book they mentioned?
答：if you like.

问：Wish you could often exchange with us on the net
答：I have my own website: www.proftrans.com.cn

问：有人说，作文所用的词汇深度占1分，对吗？
答：At least.

问：is there an abstract of it on GTER?
答：NO

问：我们如何有效的提高词汇深度
答：ou don't have to make extra efforts. Use the GRE vocabulary that you have
to memorize.

问：是不是多用一些难词好，分数会高一些
答：If other aspects of your writing are equally good.

问：钱老师，你说imitate，是指仿写GRE范文吗？
答：YES

*阿默对所有人说：聊天活动还有5分钟就要结束了，请大家抓紧提问。对今天没有回答到的问题钱
老师将会在寄托天下开辟专栏连载文章进行系统论述，请大家随时关注我们网站的通告。
：I will open a special column on gter.net and I will offer detailed analysis
of writing sameples.

问：句子结构的变化性是不是 很重要
答：Very important.

问：什么书提供比较好的谚语？
答：You can buy the Dictionary of Quotations.

问：语法和结构哪个更重要一些？
答：Structure is more important. Of course, you should not make too many
grammatical mistakes.

问：照搬句子可以吗
答：There is danger in doing that.

问：字数是关键吗
答：500 words is enough.

问：never less than 500 you mean?
答：yes, try to exceed that limit.


*钱坤强对所有人说：It seems that we have to end. you can visit my website:
www.proftrans.com.cn

[许多人同声谢谢钱老师]

*阿默对所有人说：聊天活动就要结束了，对今天没有回答到的问题钱老师将会在寄托天下开辟专
栏连载文章进行系统论述，请大家随时关注我们网站的通告。

*阿默对所有人说：今天聊天到此结束，谢谢钱老师的支持，谢谢大家的参与。今天的聊天记录我
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