issue36 jingjing【kito】

jingjingtousUID: 2164820

TOPIC: ISSUE36 - "The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
WORDS: 574          TIME: 0:45:00          DATE: 2006-2-16
(this composition has been revised one time)

提纲：
1 在大多数领域后人比同时代的人对个人的成就能给予更准确更直观的评价
A 科学领域
B 政治领域
C 政治领域
2 只有在经济领域，个人成就容易被公众承认并影响当代社会。

Should the greatness of individuals merely be decided by those who live after them rather than their contemporaries? There are diversified voices on this controversial issue. Taking into account various dimensions, I am inclined to concur with the speaker that, except for a few certain fields which the great figure's accomplishment can be recognized immediately, for most of fields the achievements of great persons can be more accurately and objectively evaluated by the descendants.

To begin with, I believe that in almost all of realms greatness of figures should stay up with test of time to be finally acknowledged by the mundane public. For that matter, it is the descendants who understand the profound influence and benefits of the greatness could evaluate the accomplishment precisely and justifiably. To illustrate this viewpoint, we could look into the three fields, which could best delegate the truth.

From the science perspective, it is apparent that descendants, compared to the individual's contemporaries, possess more affluent knowledge, skills and superior equipments to assess the greatness of individuals. As we known, numerous creative and talent ideas always transcend the existing principles and theories of that era, in many cases, they began as a challenge or even an outrageous to the accepted concepts. Therefore, most of them cannot be recognized by the contemporaries and even worse, they have frequently been considered as the abuse or desecration to the wise authorities. For the supporting examples, one needs to look no further than Copernicus' heliocentric cosmology. Under the cruel spiritual dominance of Roman Catholicism in Italy, most of new creative theories would be rejected or abandoned by the public as long as it was against the authorities-Copernicus' theory is one of them which opposed the earth centric theory by the Catholicism and thereby cannot be acknowledged by the public of that period. However, with the development of technology and science, this great and original idea has been gradually accepted by the people who after Copernicus and become the truth when the descendants used their advanced equipments and experimental methods to substantiate it. Therefore, unlike the contemporaries, people living after him can evaluate one's greatness more precisely and justifiably based on their enriched knowledge and skills.

To the politics perspective, there is no denying that one sagacious and foresight political leader and his/her strategies could be evaluated accurately by the descendants. Why not the people live with them contemporaries? some detractors may ask. I just demonstrate my ideas in the two following aspects: for one thing, although some superficially wise policies of a politician could have certain impacts on the society, they may not profoundly influence the descendants and the following society after them. Thus, I insist that descendants could be the better commenter in that they own the best criterion-time. With the fleeting of time, many policies or strategies which ostensibly seem good to the society fade their colors gradually. For another thing, the public at the individual’s time seems always to cater to the powerful leaders or charm celebrities who lead the tendency of that epoch and sometimes were confused by the superficial phenomenon while losing their objective judgments toward the ideas and principles of the figures. Joseph Stalin is an apt example to illustrate the point. In his period of time, he concentrated the great power to convince the Soviet people that all his strategies will serve well to the public but not his private ambitions and greed. However, the descendants gradually realized his irrational strategies and abandon all of them ultimately. Therefore, in the politics realm, the contemporaries were so greatly being influenced by the celebrities that they cannot make an evaluation precisely and impartially.

To the art or philosophy perspective, it goes without saying that there are so many eminent artistic works and transcendent philosophies had never been noticed for their distinctiveness and talents until the descendants proved them truth and valuable. History was replete with such scenarios, for instance, Van Gogh's odd stylish vision of impressionism, Picasso's paintings of cubism, Cervantes's Don Quixote, Kant's transcendentalism and etc. All these artistic masterpiece and critical ideas went ahead of their time and cannot be accepted by the public immediately. It is the descendants who recognized their greatness, evaluate them once again and eventually give them appreciations and respects. However, when it comes to the economy field, things go with the exception. As far as I know, none of the great economic accomplishments of individuals requires their descendants to give values and objective assessment. From Bill Gates' Microsoft to Jack Welch' GE, all of them brought tremendous impacts on our modern society and benefited human beings all around the world. The contributions of these figures were rapidly and generally acknowledged by the public and nobody would doubt the justification of these judgments. Thus, especially in the economic realm, I hold that there is no need for descendants to evaluate the greatness of figures again because their contemporaries could give an explicit and impartial comment to them.

To sum up, except for the economic field, I strongly agree with the statement that descendants who possessed more affluent knowledge and skills and superior equipments and technologies could evaluate the greatness of individuals more accurately and objectively than their contemporaries.

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kito9695UID: 209685

To begin with, I believe that in almost all of realms greatness of figures should stay up这词组是熬夜的意思 with test of time to be finally acknowledged by the mundane public. For that matter, it is the descendants who understand the profound influence and benefits of the greatness could evaluate the accomplishment precisely and justifiably. To illustrate this viewpoint, we could look into the three fields, which could best delegate the truth.

Van Gogh's odd stylish vision of impressionism, Picasso's paintings of cubism, Cervantes's Don Quixote, Kant's transcendentalism and etc.
梵高是不被同时代的认可，但其他即可几个最后还是被同时代所接纳了吧

From Bill Gates' Microsoft to Jack Welch' GE, all of 应该是both ofthem brought tremendous impacts on our modern society and benefited human beings all around the world.

语言和句式还是一样的好，很棒了！个别的词性用错，我没改过来。除此，就是写经济领域的那一段，我觉得可以独立出来，这样显得层次更清晰一些。

leedgenUID: 160823

这是我看过的最长的issue了，佩服得五体投地

jingjingtousUID: 2164820

梵高是不被同时代的认可，但其他即可几个最后还是被同时代所接纳了吧
那有没有不被时代认可的呀？能告诉我些例子吗？

jingjingtousUID: 2164820

原帖由 leedgen 于 2006-2-16 15:44 发表
这是我看过的最长的issue了，佩服得五体投地

老大，提点意见呀？

jingjingtousUID: 2164820

这是我以前写的，看完了感觉，唉，越写越罗嗦
Can the achievement of individuals only be decided by their descendants but not their contemporaries, as the speaker contends? Although I agree that people who live after those individuals can evaluate their accomplishment more accurate and objective, there is many immediate recognitions by their contemporaries.

I agree with the statement insofar as descendants have several advantages to assess the greatness of their forerunners. In the science realm, important theories always generated as outrageous or at least uncomfortable attacks to challenge the accepted wisdom. Most residents were influenced by the existing ideas or authorial celebrities in that era– consciously or unconsciously. The great impacts from the accepted wisdoms strongly affect their attitudes to the innovated ideas or inventions. Besides, their comments to them were restrained by the poor technologies and equipments of experiments. On the contrary, people who live after the figures possess more advanced scientific techniques and sufficient knowledge of可以吗 the evolution of the new theory and even its practicality. They can use superior methods to confirm it by numerous distinct experiments. Consider, for example, people in the modern world can use various superior measures such as quantum spectrum or electron collision experiment to substantiate it while individuals at that time can only make some inference on it. Based on the reliable statistics from the effective experiments, people who live after the figures can evaluate their greatness more completely and efficiently.

In the politics realm, it is particularly manifest that some valuable ideas need time to prove their truth. Whether a policy is supposed to serve the general public, or just satisfy the greedy ambitions of the leadership cannot be determined by the contemporaries but by the descendants. Consider Adolph Hitler, his acclamations for bringing the citizens of Germany excessive resources and superficial living conditions obsessed almost all the Germanys at that time. However, to achieve his private aggression for politics, the whole Germany was plunged into the disaster-the Second World War which was proved a massacre in the human history. After all, our descendants have better understanding of the deduction of our society and the evolution of our political mechanisms. Additionally, they undertake far more influences of the previous strategies made by the former political leaders so that their comments of the greatness of the forerunners are more justifiable and objective.

In the philosophy realm, a person's accomplishments can be recognized only in retrospect, by those who after the figure. Take Kant-one of the most famous philosophers in the world, for example. His grand ideas(,) which were against the typically accepted metaphysics in his era(,) have ever been consider as the desecration for the dominant religious faith. However, until his death had the truth of his critical theories been recognized by the descendants whose views toward the philosophy became more(咦？这里是没写完吗？)（这个词我不知道用哪个比较合适啊？comprehensive
On the other hand, people who live in the same time with those figures also can put high light on their accomplishments. We do not require a retrospect to confirm some artistic greatness-whether in music, painting, or literature, because the talent artists and their accomplishments can be recognized immediately. History is replete with examples of artistic accomplishment immediately which were immediately recognized, then later confirmed. Shakespeare's works such as Hamlet are prevailing in the era of Naissance and even today's readers prefer reading them than other literatures. Beethoven was regarded as the most influenced composer and musician at his life time(lifetime) and his works, for example, Hero, were constantly praised by people in the modern world.

In sum, though the descendants indeed have several advantages to assess the achievements of their predecessors in some realms, to determine the individuals' greatness is not merely hinged on the evaluations of them but also (of) people who live with those figures at the same era.
谢谢army我又改了一遍，那个词我想的是全面的，不知道comprehensive可以不？

bunnymz2005UID: 2146758

赞不绝口哦~~~进步巨大无比^-^
加油，决定了，你是我偶像~~~

kito9695UID: 209685

原帖由 bunnymz2005 于 2006-2-16 17:26 发表
赞不绝口哦~~~进步巨大无比^-^
加油，决定了，你是我偶像~~~

也是我的偶像:p

kito9695UID: 209685

原帖由 jingjingtous 于 2006-2-16 16:15 发表
梵高是不被同时代的认可，但其他即可几个最后还是被同时代所接纳了吧
那有没有不被时代认可的呀？能告诉我些例子吗？

汗...我也不太知道，梵高是最贴切的了吧

HonaleeUID: 2177128

好强啊，但是45分钟能写这么多么？

HonaleeUID: 2177128

原帖由 kito9695 于 2006-2-16 20:28 发表



汗...我也不太知道，梵高是最贴切的了吧

Dali 和 Millet 好像也不太被同时代的人认可吧
另外McClintock 刚刚提出转座子的概念的时候，所有的同事都不认可，但她坚持己见，最终被证明是正确的而且获得了Nobel Prize, 但已事隔30多年

喝茶时间UID: 2257761

楼主，好强！！