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发表于 2005-8-11 11:17:13 |显示全部楼层
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4、"No field of study can advance significantly unless outsiders bring their knowledge and experience to that field of study."
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Who contribute to a field more significantly, the experts or the outsiders? Because of the discoveries make by the outsiders are always unpredicted, some people, like the speaker, would hold that the outsiders are more crucial in the advancement of a field. However, the experts, who have been long working in their own field, actually do more than the outsiders to the development of the field.

Admittedly, there are some significant discoveries which are made by the outsiders of a field. The outsiders have less experience and without much influence by the general working procedures of the field usually surprise the experts. Taking Mendel, who is considered to be the father of modern genetics, for example, it was Mendel, a monk with hardly systematic education in biology, who discovered the two basic laws of genetics, thanks to his knowledge in statistics. Before Mendel, hardly a biologist has even considered that applying statistics method into the experiments of biology. Thus, the contribution of Mendel is not only the discovery, but actually he brought a new era in biology by giving a powerful tool to his fellow biologist. Without being restrained by the so-called rules and regulations in a field, using the method the experts never thought of, that's why the outsiders sometimes brought momentous change into a field.

However, most of the significant advancements and progresses in a field are promoted by the experts. For the experts have great knowledge and deeper understanding of the field, which are gained through their longtime devotion to the study of the field. These kinds of advantages, which are exceedingly vital for great discoveries, are what make the experts surpass the outsiders.  And, in most cases, the outsiders just inspire or give a hint to the experts, and assist them to make the breakthrough. One needs to look no further than the discovery of the genetic code to see it is true. The concept of genetic code was originally put forward by Schrodinger, a famous physicist. Schrodinger got the idea of a code from physics and he assumed that the living creature was determined by a similar code. But raising a suggestion was all Schrodinger could do, it is the biologist who found the code and revealed the secret of heredity and variation. An inspiration is important, for it can accelerate the discovery, but the knowledge and experience as well as devotion is even more important.

In addition, it is usually the experts of a field who take the method and knowledge of other fields into their own, not as the speaker claims, the outsiders will voluntarily bring their knowledge. Experts, with their experience and deep understanding of their field, are more sensitive to the knowledge or methods that could give a hand to their studies. Considering the using of x-ray, x-ray was a traditional diagnostic method for fracture, but the chemists brought it into their field to analyzes the three dimensional structure of a molecular. And the same method, introduced in to the field of molecular biology by the biologists, directly led to the discovery of the double helix structure of DNA.

All in all, although the contribution of the outsiders can not be denied, the advancement in a field is generally promoted by the experts, for they have more knowledge and experience in their own field.


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4、"No field of study can advance significantly unless outsiders bring their knowledge and experience to that field of study."
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How can a field of study significantly advance? Who contribute more to the progress, the experts in that field or the outsiders? Some people hold that a field of study can never advance significantly unless outsiders bring their knowledge. In my view, there are some situations that the knowledge of the outsiders directly leads to the great breakthrough of a field. But in general, the outsiders’ knowledge just serves as a hint to the experts, and it is usually the experts who select and bring the knowledge from other fields into their own.

Admittedly, sometimes outsiders contribute greatly to a field of study, and made great discovery of another field themselves. Take Mendel, who is considered the father of modern genetics, for example. Mendel was a monk and did not receive systematic education in biology, but it was him who discovered the basic laws of genetics, thanks to his knowledge in statistics. His contribution to biology was not limited in his discovery, he also brought the method of statistics into the field of biology, thus create a new era in the study of biology.

However, people should be aware that Mendel and similar others are just exceptional. Most of the significant progresses in a field were and still will be promoted by the experts in that field. And the knowledge out of that field just inspires them or gives them a hint. Some philosophers claim that the world was under the control of a single theory and everything functions according to a same rule, thus every field of study is the same in the sense the things in the world obeys the same rule. This kind of assertion may sound a little bit arbitrary, but some discoveries in science support it. And that is partly why sometimes the knowledge of a field can be uses into another field. However, admitting the underlying theory of all the disciplines are the same, it does not mean people can use the same method to solve the problem in every disciplines, maybe in the future but not now. The experts are the people who have more knowledge and experience of their own fields; they understand the field much better than the outsiders. Generally, the experts rather than outsiders contribute more to a field of study. Considering the discovery of genetic code, the concept of the genetic code was originally put forward by Schrodinger, a famous physicist. Schrodinger got the idea from physics and assumed that animals share the same rule. But except suggesting this Scrodinger can do nothing more. It is the biologists finally found the genetic code and revealed the secret of life. Therefore, without the effort of the experts, the advancement of a field is generally impossible, the knowledge of the outsiders usually just serve as a hint.

In addition, more often than not, it is the experts of a field select and bring the knowledge of other field inside their own field. Not as the speaker claims that the outsiders will voluntarily bring their knowledge. The experts are more sensitive to the outside knowledge which may be useful to their own study, and are more likely to get better use of them.

All in all, in some situation, the outsiders may greatly promote a field of study by bring their knowledge into a field. However, generally the experts of a field contribute more to the advancement of their own field, not the outsiders.


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发表于 2005-8-11 16:50:15 |显示全部楼层
你这几天好勤奋阿
拍了你的issue150不知道你看到没有,也没有回复
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:09:10 |显示全部楼层
看到了~~大谢 呵呵
不勤奋不行了 sigh……现在去写回复……前一阵子网络不稳定 本来写好然后无线突然没信号……
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:16:21 |显示全部楼层
4、"No field of study can advance significantly unless outsiders bring their knowledge and experience to that field of study."
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How can a field of study significantly advance? Who contribute more to the progress, the experts in that field or the outsiders? Some people hold that a field of study can never advance significantly unless outsiders bring their knowledge. In my view, there are some situations that the knowledge of the outsiders directly leads to the great breakthrough of a field. But in general, the outsiders’ knowledge just serves as a hint to the experts, and it is usually the experts who select and bring the knowledge from other fields into their own.

Admittedly, sometimes outsiders contribute greatly to a field of study, and made great discovery of another field themselves.时态不对,要不就全用一般时 Take Mendel, who is considered the father of modern genetics, for example. Mendel was a monk and did not receive systematic education in biology, but it was him who discovered the basic laws of genetics, thanks to his knowledge in statistics. His contribution to biology was not limited in his discovery, he also brought the method of statistics into the field of biology, thus create a new era in the study of biology.没有分析透彻,为什么outsiders会有大发现?是运气?是角度不同?还是别的?不过例子很好。(虽然我并不知道)

However, people should be aware that Mendel and similar others are just exceptional. 看来你说的是运气了Most of the significant progresses in a field were and still will be promoted by the experts in that field.一样,我觉得应该再解释一下why And the knowledge out of that field just inspires them or gives them a hint. (Some philosophers claim that the world was under the control of a single theory and everything functions according to a same rule, thus every field of study is the same in the sense the things in the world obeys the same rule(你说的应该是哲学吧). This kind of assertion may sound a little bit arbitrary, but some discoveries in science support it. And that is partly why sometimes the knowledge of a field can be uses into another field. )这些好像和这段的主题句没什么关系,如果当作是这段的一个让步的话,有点让得太长了,如果放到上一段直持“门外汉能有大发现”也不好,发现更多的是从具体的工具,想法得来的,哲学讲的是抽象的方法论当然都试用,哎呀,不行,我自己晕了,我这学学得不好,你自己好好想想,反正我觉得这段不合适However, admitting the underlying theory of all the disciplines are the same, it does not mean people can use the same method to solve the problem in every disciplines, maybe in the future but not now题目可不是这个观点!. The experts are the people who have more knowledge and experience of their own fields; they understand the field much better than the outsiders.原来解释在这里,呵呵 Generally, the experts rather than outsiders contribute more to a field of study. Considering the discovery of genetic code, the concept of the genetic code was originally put forward by Schrodinger, a famous physicist. Schrodinger got the idea from physics and assumed that animals share the same rule. But except suggesting this Scrodinger can do nothing more. It is the biologists finally found the genetic code and revealed the secret of life. Therefore, without the effort of the experts, the advancement of a field is generally impossible, the knowledge of the outsiders usually just serve as a hint.

In addition, more often than not, it is the experts of a field select and bring the knowledge of other field inside their own field. Not as the speaker claims that the outsiders will voluntarily bring their knowledge. The experts are more sensitive to the outside knowledge which may be useful to their own study, and are more likely to get better use of them.如果能有例子就丰满了

All in all, in some situation, the outsiders may greatly promote a field of study by bring their knowledge into a field. However, generally the experts of a field contribute more to the advancement of their own field, not the outsiders.
我认为B3问题比较大,B3前面扯的有点离题,还好后面又回来了。个人意见,供参考,你也反馈反馈意见吧,我也能学习一下~~~~加油!!

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发表于 2005-8-11 17:28:21 |显示全部楼层
那个扯得有点远……的确 当时限时所以想到什么就写什么了……的确是一种哲学观点---存在一种支配全宇宙的终极真理……
你觉得我的文章如果这样组织可不可以

1 有一些basic rule在各学科间共同所以outsider可以贡献力量(还用Mendel的例子我可以把它扯到basic rule层面)
2 但最终其决定的是expert因为他们的了解更深(Schrondinger的例子)
3 in addition 同原文(这个例子很难想~~)

我限时还有点困难 也就500左右徘徊 还有n语法错~~~
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:35:04 |显示全部楼层
又想了一下
你是想说方法都试用,所以outsiders能将知识用于各种领域,然后有发现
但这种方法只是哲学抽象的方法论,而用于发现的方法都是具体的方法,比如x-ray衍射发现DNA的结构,而x-ray衍射是常用在物理的方法,并非生物
晕晕晕,我又晕了,你好好再看看题目,反正感觉怪怪的
要不你解释一下吧
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:40:43 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by alcestis at 2005-8-11 17:28
1 有一些basic rule在各学科间共同所以outsider可以贡献力量(还用Mendel的例子我可以把它扯到basic rule层面)
2 但最终其决定的是expert因为他们的了解更深(Schrondinger的例子)
3 in addition 同原文(这个例子很难想~~)

我限时还有点困难 也就500左右徘徊 还有n语法错~~~

我觉得1不好,扯到basic rule层面,那么什么是basic rule,比如数学、天文、生物、历史等等等等有什么basic rule???又要说哲学了
还是不要提basic了
想想为什么outsider会带来发现
是因为他们是外行,所以没有经验,会从很多角度想问题,包括专家忽略并且轻视认为根本不行的方法。。。。。。或者还有什么别的原因
从这个角度,比较好写,也容易分析
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:44:12 |显示全部楼层
忘了说了,我限时从没上过500,而且几乎从没限成功过,句子也很单调
考前一周一篇也没写出来
考试的时候还提前10分钟写完了,然后又加了一段
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:45:02 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by fircatty at 2005-8-11 17:35
你是想说方法都试用,所以outsiders能将知识用于各种领域,然后有发现
但这种方法只是哲学抽象的方法论,而用于发现的方法都是具体的方法,比如x-ray衍射发现DNA的结构,而x-ray衍射是常用在物理的方 ...


理解正确!!!哎呀dna的例子太好了!!!

那个哲学统一论我琢磨了一下还是不要写上了 毕竟未被证明
干脆直接说学科间有交叉就好了,outsider的贡献在于向专家指名交叉点 但是多属时候只有专家能做出实质性贡献
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:47:28 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by fircatty at 2005-8-11 17:44
考试的时候还提前10分钟写完了,然后又加了一段


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发表于 2005-8-11 17:49:12 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by alcestis at 2005-8-11 17:45

干脆直接说学科间有交叉就好了,outsider的贡献在于向专家指名交叉点 但是多属时候只有专家能做出实质 ...


不错
不过主要要找例子了
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期待看到你的修改版
好好改改
完了给我发消息,我再去学习一下:)
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:50:10 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by fircatty at 2005-8-11 17:40

是因为他们是外行,所以没有经验,会从很多角度想问题,包括专家忽略并且轻视认为根本不行的方法。。。。。。或者还有什么别的原因


en 有启发~~
可以把那个新手搞出伟大发现 的题目结合进来
太感谢了 哈哈!!
我去吃饭了 回来重新写过 哈哈
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发表于 2005-8-11 17:54:14 |显示全部楼层
对,还有一个刚想到的
也许他们没想发现这个,是想发现别的,然后碰巧又发现这个
呵呵,好像又和一个发现是偶然的题有点联系。关键例子不好找~~
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发表于 2005-8-11 20:38:42 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by fircatty at 2005-8-11 17:54
对,还有一个刚想到的
也许他们没想发现这个,是想发现别的,然后碰巧又发现这个
呵呵,好像又和一个发现是偶然的题有点联系。关键例子不好找~~


是啊,例子~~~

写完;P  庆祝
这个又限了一次时~~~~
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发表于 2005-8-11 22:20:25 |显示全部楼层
Originally posted by alcestis at 2005-8-11 20:38


写完;P  庆祝
这个又限了一次时~~~~

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