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发表于 2009-6-20 01:44:18 |显示全部楼层
A purely objective observation does not exist in this world. In my opinion all obseravation is subjective which is under the control of the observaer's expectations or desires.

First of all, the definition for 'purely objective' is extremely difficult. However someone gives a definition for 'purely objective', the definition may suffer an subjective thinking. 'It is difficult to cater for all tastes', so it is with the defition of 'purely objective'. Unless the differences between people disappear one day, the debate for 'purely' and 'perfect' will last for a long time.

Secondly,it is the physical limitation of the human brain decides that we could only percept the world by our own interpretation or the knowledge generated in this way.The obeservations toward the world is based on observer's own subjective percept. It can be seen from the origin of the classical western philosophy system-materialism. Lucretius, who was famous for his explanation of atomicmaterialism,once observed that dust flew around everywhere and collide with other when you see the sunshine through the window,then he gave a emperical conclusion that 'atom is always moving'. The imperical proof is disprofed by  Issac Newton.  Thus observations is always guided by the observer's expectation or desires.

Finally, even granted that a purely objective observation does exist, it will cost  us a lot to achieve it. Whether the outcome could bear the expection is questionable. Though many people thinks that subjective observation is not so  accurate however in most cases it is quite effective. Generally speaking, people would regard 'effective' as 'efficient', but in encyclopedia it is quite different. 'Effective is generally described as how to find the way toward and goal' while 'Efficient is not only how to find the way out but find a way with the lowest cost toward the goal'. To be an efficient observer just as find a 'purely objective observation' may cost a lot of time especially in a society domain,  however take a 'subjective observation' is quite effecive and could lead us infinitely approximate the expected result.

To sum up ,subjectiveness moderate the heavy cost of achiving the goal 'immediately' thus allow human to choose the best option during a specified period of time and objectiveness is what we are looking for, but it is never what we can attain.

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发表于 2009-6-20 13:42:57 |显示全部楼层
我也是新手。和楼主一起讨论吧。:)

A purely objective observation does not exist in this world. In my opinion all obseravation (observation) is subjective which is under the control of the observaer's (observer’s) expectations or desires. (第一段除了复述一遍题目,没什么有效信息。开门见山的开头并不错,但是完全没有给出作者支持这一论断的任何理由/背景。)

First of all, the definition for 'purely objective' is extremely difficult. However someone gives a definition for 'purely objective', the definition may suffer an subjective thinking. 'It is difficult to cater for all tastes', so it is with the defition (definition) of 'purely objective'. Unless the differences between people disappear one day, the debate for 'purely' and 'perfect' will last for a long time. (
这一段貌似是说purely objective是难以定义的,但未能提供深入论述。)

Secondly,it is the physical limitation of the human brain decides (It is owing to the physical limitation of human brains) that we could only percept (perceive) the world by our own interpretation or the knowledge generated in this way.The obeservations toward the world is based on observer's own subjective percept (perception). It can be seen from the origin of the classical western philosophy system-materialism. Lucretius, who was famous for his explanation of atomicmaterialism,once observed that dust flew around everywhere and collide (collided) with other when you see the sunshine through the window
(
?什么意思), then he gave a emperical (empirical) conclusion that 'atom is always moving'. The imperical proof is disprofed
(disproved) by  Issac Newton.  Thus observations is always guided by the observer's expectation or desires.
(这一段论述人的主观感知和思维会影响观察结果的客观性,但例子没有针对论点充分展开,并不能支撑论点。)

Finally, even granted that a purely objective observation does exist, it will cost  us a lot to achieve it. Whether the outcome could bear the expection is questionable. Though many people thinks that subjective observation is not so  accurate however in most cases it is quite effective. Generally speaking, people would regard 'effective' as 'efficient', but in encyclopedia it is quite different. 'Effective is generally described as how to find the way toward and goal' while 'Efficient is not only how to find the way out but find a way with the lowest cost toward the goal'. To be an efficient observer just as find a 'purely objective observation' may cost a lot of time especially in a society domain,  however take a 'subjective observation' is quite effecive and could lead us infinitely approximate the expected result. (
花了很多笔墨写effectiveefficient的区别,但并没有有力说明为什么一个带有主观性的观察就能efficient)

但三个论证段落之间断裂感比较明显,缺乏逻辑上的关联。每一段的论述中,句子与句子之间联结不顺,也不能有力支持本段的论点。

To sum up ,subjectiveness moderate the heavy cost of achiving the goal 'immediately' thus allow human to choose the best option during a specified period of time and objectiveness is what we are looking for, but it is never what we can attain.


感觉这篇文章的框架有点过分模板化,甚至比模板更简单。此文的拼写和语法问题也稍微多了一点,不能一一尽改,建议楼主写完以后最好自己检查一遍。大家一起努力,争取快快进步吧。:)
来不及,来不及呀。
这一梦太长。

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发表于 2009-6-22 14:05:20 |显示全部楼层

A purely objective observation does not exist in this world. In my opinion all observation is subjective which is under the control of the observer’s expectations or desires.

First of all, the definition for 'purely objective' is extremely difficult. However someone gives a definition for 'purely objective', the definition may suffer an subjective thinking. 'It is difficult to cater for all tastes', so it is with the definition of 'purely objective'. Unless the differences between people disappear one day, the debate for 'purely' and 'perfect' will last for a long time.
(这一段观点很新颖,如果能很好的展开,将会是很有力度的,毕竟连观测的定义如果都是主观的,那就更不谈别的了)

Secondly,it is the physical limitation of the human brain decides that we could only percept the world by our own interpretation or the knowledge generated in this way. The observations toward the world are based on observer's own subjective percept. It can be seen from the origin of the classical western philosophy system-materialism. Lucretius, who was famous for his explanation of atomic materialism, once observed that dust flew around everywhere and collide with other when you see the sunshine through the window, then he gave a empirical conclusion that 'atom is always moving'. The empirical proof is disproved by Isaac Newton.  Thus observations is always guided by the observer's expectation or desires.
(感觉这个例子说没有接着说下去就结束,推不出作者的论点、所以要再展开一些)


Finally, even granted that a purely objective observation does exist, it will cost us a lot to achieve it. Whether the outcome could bear the expectation is questionable. Though many people think that subjective observation is not so accurate however in most cases it is quite effective. Generally speaking, people would regard 'effective' as 'efficient', but in encyclopedia it is quite different. 'Effective is generally described as how to find the way toward and goal' while 'Efficient is not only how to find the way out but find a way with the lowest cost toward the goal'. To be an efficient observer just as find a 'purely objective observation' may cost a lot of time especially in a society domain,  however take a 'subjective observation' is quite effective and could lead us infinitely approximate the expected result.
这一段缺乏事例的支持,而且论证比较抽象,expected result到底是指什么?读者肯定会产生疑问

To sum up ,subjectivity moderate the heavy cost of archiving the goal 'immediately' thus allow human to choose the best option during a specified period of time and objectiveness is what we are looking for, but it is never what we can attain.

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发表于 2009-6-22 19:55:58 |显示全部楼层
A purely objective observation does not exist in this world. In my opinion all obseravation is subjective which is under the control of the observaer's expectations or desires.哇,我要颁个最简洁奖给你……保留下我的看法,嘿嘿。至少范文没有这么简洁的……

First of all, the definition for 'purely objective' is extremely difficult. However someone gives a definition for 'purely objective', 句号the definition may suffer an subjective thinking. 'It is difficult to cater for all tastes', so it is with the defition of 'purely objective'. Unless the differences between people disappear one day, the debate for 'purely' and 'perfect' will last for a long time. 说实话,这段我真没看明白……这种有点逻辑辨证的问到在啊。

Secondly,it is the physical limitation of the human brain decides这边的单复数觉得诡异 that we could only percept the world by our own interpretation or the knowledge generated in this way.我觉得你这句前面其实可以加一个objective的自己的定义,因为你上面说了“objective”不好定义,然而你下面却开始论述objective和subjective了。然后上下衔接会更好。我觉得写Issue但用“第一”“第二”的感觉会很薄弱。The obeservations toward the world is based on observer's own subjective percept. It can be seen from the origin of the classical western philosophy system-materialism. Lucretius, who was famous for his explanation of atomicmaterialism,once observed that dust flew around everywhere and collide with other when you see the sunshine through the window,then he gave a emperical conclusion that 'atom is always moving'. The imperical proof is disprofed by  Issac Newton.  我觉得这边举身边的事情会更好。Thus observations is always guided by the observer's expectation or desires.

Finally, even granted that a purely objective observation does exist, it will cost  us a lot to achieve it. Whether the outcome could bear the expection is questionable. Though many people thinks that subjective observation is not so  accurate however in most cases it is quite effective. Generally speaking, people would regard 'effective' as 'efficient', but in encyclopedia it is quite different. 'Effective is generally described as how to find the way toward and goal' while 'Efficient is not only how to find the way out but find a way with the lowest cost toward the goal'. To be an efficient observer just as find a 'purely objective observation' may cost a lot of time especially in a society domain,  however take a 'subjective observation' is quite effecive and could lead us infinitely approximate the expected result.我觉得后面的论证没有再展开论证你的ts。那段encyclopedia要证明什么东西我也不明白。

To sum up ,subjectiveness moderate the heavy cost of achiving the goal 'immediately' thus allow human to choose the best option during a specified period of time and objectiveness is what we are looking for, but it is never what we can attain.


觉得整篇文章论证都是很新颖的观点,但是没有论述好,嘿嘿

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