Issue169，政治类，是否高频我不知道
169."Those who treat politics and morality as though they were separate realms fail to understand either the one or the other."任何认为政治和道德是两码事的人是既不懂政治又不懂道德的.
政治和道德的确是两码事，虽然关系非常密切。成熟的态度是区别而又联系的对待二者。
1．相通之处：政治和道德的表现方式——政权和宗教/信仰——密切相关，有时甚至合而为一。
2．分歧之一：道德准则相对稳定，政治手段和形势变化万千
3．分歧之二：道德偏意识形态（如一个主义，一种信仰）；而政治很现实。
Are politics and morality two separate realms? Surely they are. But it will be a more mature attitude to treat they as two different realms with close relationships. They are just like mouth and teeth - separating from each other while also depending on each other.
To begin with, let us take a look towards their similarities. Politics with the cloth of state power, policies and tactics, has a very tight relationship with morality which often takes a certain kind of religion or belief as its form. In many occasions, politics and morality cannot be divided exactly. For intense, people in the western society almost believe in the Christianity. So the governments there usually take the doctrines of the Christianity as moral norms to confine people's ideas for the sake of carrying out their government decrees more smoothly. While in China, many people join the Communist Party, then the government would rather dominate people with the doctrines of Communism. Hence, it is easy to find that such two realms are mutually dependent if only the cooperation could do good to the development and prosperity of society as well as its stability.
However, in actual practice, the great divergence of such two realms emerges. In a simple word, morality is steady, whereas politics is changeful. That is, morality, which is displayed as moral standard, is often handed down from thousands of years ago so that it has more stability than politics. On the contrary, politics, which should be well understood as the state power or policy, is highly complicated and changeable according to the behalf of every separate country and the different demands in different circumstance. For instance, there are only several kinds of religion form such as Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. All of them have been existing for thousands of years and will change a little if there is any. While as for politics, the political situation changes from time to time in that there is too much competition and interests struggle among the countries. Allies may turn into enemies, and adversaries may also become cooperators. No one can forebode what would change in the next minute. Seeing from this angle, it is obvious that politics and morality are two separate realms.
Furthermore, another great difference between politics and morality is that the former is pragmatic while the latter is idealistic. The interesting relationship of the United States and China is a case in point. It is known to all that the United States is always averse to the condition of the human rights in China. Some of national policies of China such as the birth control are cited as the proof of Chinese government’s autocracy. While in plenty of international affairs, it would rather choose China as its partner because of China’s extensive political influence and strong political power. In a sense, morality is just an idealistic and necessary fiction which is used by a state power to limit its people’s minds and fulfill its political goals. When facing with realistic profit, those moral standards are so frail to be broken out and cast away. Only when it really masters the core spirit of politics and morality, can a government or a politician be effective to protect the stability of its country and lead its people forward to the more prosperous society.
All in a word, with a deeper and wider comprehension to politics and morality, people should understand that the attitudes to take them as two isolate realms or a whole are both one-sided. To be a wise and mature observer and commentator towards the two realms, people should be aware of their difference as well as relation.
又是持我一贯的中庸态度，大家看看怎样？
:D 借鉴了smilehaha家那位牛爸爸的思路！ 欢迎一切形势的占座，哈哈！
接下来，我要努力还债了，这两天到处挖坑，结果把人家的帖子弄得坑坑洼洼的，现在要一个个的去填咯：） 占个座 呵呵，练的怎样了？？我觉得还是把每题的提纲弄出来比较重要！！ 马上看。Are politics and morality two separate realms? Surely they are. But it will be a more mature attitude to treat they as two different realms with close relationships. They are just like mouth and teeth - separating from each other while also depending on each other.观点很清楚哦。
To begin with, let us take a look towards their similarities. Politics with the cloth of state power, policies and tactics, has a very tight relationship with morality which often takes a certain kind of religion or belief as its form. In many occasions, politics and morality cannot be divided exactly前面第一句说相似性，这句又说联系性，到底哪个市TS？. For intense, people in the western society almost believe in the Christianity. So the governments there usually take the doctrines of the Christianity as moral norms to confine people's ideas for the sake of carrying out their government decrees more smoothly. While in China, many people join the Communist Party, then the government would rather dominate people with the doctrines of Communism. Hence, it is easy to find that such two realms are mutually dependent if only the cooperation could do good to the development and prosperity of society as well as its stability.我总觉得道德和宗教信仰不是一码事，所以觉得这段有些离题。
However, in actual practice, the great divergence of such two realms emerges. In a simple word, morality is steady, whereas politics is changeful. That is, morality, which is displayed as moral standard, is often handed down from thousands of years ago so that it has more stability than politics. On the contrary, politics, which should be well understood as the state power or policy, is highly complicated and changeable according to the behalf of every separate country and the different demands in different circumstance前面说道德的稳定是从时间上来考虑，政治的多边性也应该从时间上说吧？不然没有可比性，不同国家的道德观也不同哦. For instance, there are only several kinds of religion form such as Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. All of them have been existing for thousands of years and will change a little if there is any. While as for politics, the political situation changes from time to time in that there is too much competition and interests struggle among the countries. Allies may turn into enemies, and adversaries may also become cooperators. No one can forebode what would change in the next minute. Seeing from this angle, it is obvious that politics and morality are two separate realms.
Furthermore, another great difference between politics and morality is that the former is pragmatic while the latter is idealistic. The interesting relationship of the United States and China is a case in point. It is known to all（这个短语太绝对了，有点主观。）that the United States is always averse to the condition of the human rights in China. Some of national policies of China such as the birth control are cited as the proof of Chinese government’s autocracy. While（whereas更好） in plenty of international affairs, it would rather choose China as its partner because of China’s extensive political influence and strong political power（中国的政治力量越强对美国越不利呀，不如从经济方面考虑）. In a sense, morality is just an idealistic and necessary fiction which is used by a state power to limit its people’s minds and fulfill its political goals. When facing with realistic profit, those moral standards are so frail to be broken out and cast away. Only when it really masters the core spirit of politics and morality, can a government or a politician be effective to protect the stability of its country and lead its people forward to the more prosperous society。
All in a word, with a deeper and wider comprehension to politics and morality, people should understand that the attitudes to take them as two isolate realms or a whole are both one-sided. To be a wise and mature observer and commentator towards the two realms, people should be aware of their difference as well as relation.
如果是我的话，倒愿意从同意角度来写，那样我觉得更轻松些。 https://bbs.gter.net/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179693
也帮我看看吧，谢谢！ 谢谢yifeng，把你的提纲贴出来学习一下啊：）
Re: Issue169，政治类，是否高频我不知道
169."Those who treat politics and morality as though they were separate realms fail to understand either the one or the other."任何认为政治和道德是两码事的人是既不懂政治又不懂道德的.
政治和道德的确是两码事，虽然关系非常密切。成熟的态度是区别而又联系的对待二者。
1．相通之处：政治和道德的表现方式——政权和宗教/信仰——密切相关，有时甚至合而为一。
2．分歧之一：道德准则相对稳定，政治手段和形势变化万千
3．分歧之二：道德偏意识形态（如一个主义，一种信仰）；而政治很现实。
Are politics and morality two separate realms? Surely they are. But it will be a more mature attitude to treat they as two different realms with close relationships. They are just like mouth and teeth - separating from each other while also depending on each other.
To begin with, let us take a look towards their similarities（这个词有问题，相似与联系是不同的，你下面说的是联系哦）. Politics with the cloth of state power, policies and tactics, has a very tight relationship with morality which often takes a certain kind of religion or belief as its form. In many occasions, politics and morality cannot be divided exactly. For intense, people in the western society almost believe in the Christianity. So the governments there usually take the doctrines of the Christianity as moral norms to confine people's ideas for the sake of carrying out their government decrees more smoothly. While in China, many people join the Communist Party, then the government would rather dominate people with the doctrines of Communism. Hence, it is easy to find that such two realms are mutually dependent if only the cooperation could do good to the development and prosperity of society as well as its stability.（道德和宗教有联系，但是否等同还值得推敲）
However, in actual practice, the great divergence of such two realms emerges. In a simple word, morality is steady, whereas politics is changeful. That is, morality, which is displayed as moral standard, is often handed down from thousands of years ago so that it has more stability than politics. On the contrary, politics, which should be well understood as the state power or policy, is highly complicated and changeable according to the behalf of every separate country and the different demands in different circumstance. For instance, there are only several kinds of religion form such as Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. All of them have been existing for thousands of years and will change a little if there is any. While as for politics, the political situation changes from time to time in that there is too much competition and interests struggle among the countries. Allies may turn into enemies, and adversaries may also become cooperators. No one can forebode what would change in the next minute. Seeing from this angle, it is obvious that politics and morality are two separate realms.
Furthermore, another great difference between politics and morality is that the former is pragmatic while the latter is idealistic. The interesting relationship of the United States and China is a case in point. It is known to all that the United States is always averse to the condition of the human rights in China. Some of national policies of China such as the birth control are cited as the proof of Chinese government’s autocracy（道德被政治利用，这不是说他们的相互联系吗？）. While in plenty of international affairs, it would rather choose China as its partner because of China’s extensive political influence and strong political power. In a sense, morality is just an idealistic and necessary fiction which is used by a state power to limit its people’s minds and fulfill its political goals. When facing with realistic profit, those moral standards are so frail to be broken out and cast away. Only when it really masters the core spirit of politics and morality, can a government or a politician be effective to protect the stability of its country and lead its people forward to the more prosperous society.（虽然道德的差异没实际利益来得迫切，但并不表示忽视它）
All in a word, with a deeper and wider comprehension to politics and morality, people should understand that the attitudes to take them as two isolate realms or a whole are both one-sided. To be a wise and mature observer and commentator towards the two realms, people should be aware of their difference as well as relation.
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喂，8楼的兄弟，抄袭我的签名，罚你以后修改我的每一篇文章！！！:D 占各座先~ 占座。这个题目我关心，小渔女我也很关心。西西。 占座 169."Those who treat politics and morality as though they were separate realms fail to understand either the one or the other."
任何认为政治和道德是两码事的人是既不懂政治又不懂道德的.
政治和道德的确是两码事，虽然关系非常密切。成熟的态度是区别而又联系的对待二者。
1．相通之处：政治和道德的表现方式——政权和宗教/信仰——密切相关，有时甚至合而为一。
2．分歧之一：道德准则相对稳定，政治手段和形势变化万千
3．分歧之二：道德偏意识形态（如一个主义，一种信仰）；而政治很现实。
Are politics and morality two separate realms? Surely they are. But it will be a more mature attitude to treat they as two different realms with close relationships. They are just like mouth and teeth –[--] separating from each other while also depending on each other.
To begin with, let us take a look towards their similarities[后面讲得好像不是相同点] . Politics with the cloth of state power, policies and tactics, has a very tight relationship with morality which often takes a certain kind of religion or belief as its form. In many occasions, politics and morality cannot be divided exactly. For intense , people in the western society almost believe in the Christianity. So the governments there usually take the doctrines of the Christianity as moral norms to confine people's ideas for the sake of carrying out their government decrees more smoothly. While in China, many people join the Communist Party, then the government would rather dominate people with the doctrines of Communism. Hence, it is easy to find that such two realms are mutually dependent if only the cooperation could do good to the development and prosperity of society as well as its stability [最后这个句子限定的有点武断。政治和道德的关系更多的是为统治阶层服务，不一定就是为了社会繁荣。].
However, in actual practice, the great divergence of such two realms emerges. In a simple word, morality is steady, whereas politics is changeful. That is, morality, which is displayed as moral standard, is often handed down from thousands of years ago so that it has more stability than politics. On the contrary, politics, which should be well understood as the state power or policy, is highly complicated and changeable according to the behalf of every separate country and the different demands in different circumstance. For instance, there are only several kinds of religion form such as Christianity, Muslim [这个是回教徒，伊斯兰教是Islam/Islamism], Buddhism and so on[这个例子举的不好，因为现在世界上各种各样奇怪的信仰每时每刻都在新增。举个例子吧，2002年在阿根廷出现了“马拉多纳”教。至少要加上限定才行]. All of them have been existing [直接用existed] for thousands of years and will change a little if there is any. [这个观点我极度怀疑。中国的人们大多不信教可能会这么想，但是美国的判卷老师一定对于基督教从创始至今经历的巨大的变动历程非常熟悉。其他各教派也一样。] While as for politics, the political situation changes from time to time in that there is too much competition and interests struggle among the [去掉the] countries. Allies may turn into enemies, and adversaries may also become cooperators. No one can forebode what would change in the next minute[挺武断的哦]. Seeing [去掉更好] from this angle, it is obvious that politics and morality are two separate realms.[我个人不赞同这一段的观点，感觉没有说服力。两个事物要说明其分离，应该从关系上说；要说明其不同，应从其本质上说。选的角度是变和不变，不太赞同。]
Furthermore, another great difference between politics and morality is that the former is pragmatic while the latter is idealistic. The interesting relationship [这个词后面应该跟between … and] of the United States and China is a case in point. It is known to all that the United States is always averse to the condition of the human rights in China. Some of national policies of China such as the birth control are cited as the proof of Chinese government’s autocracy. While in plenty of international affairs, it would rather choose China as its partner because of China’s extensive political influence and strong political power[是不是应该换过来说，先说实力再说影响力]. In a sense, morality is just an idealistic and necessary fiction which is used by a state power to limit its people’s minds and fulfill its political goals. When facing with realistic profit, those moral standards are so frail to be broken out and cast away. Only when it really masters the core spirit of politics and morality, can a government or a politician be effective to protect the stability of its country and lead its people forward to the more prosperous society.
All in a word, with a deeper and wider comprehension to politics and morality, people should understand that the attitudes [用单数] to take them as two isolate realms or a whole are both one-sided. To be a wise and mature observer and commentator towards the two realms, people should be aware of their difference as well as relation.
又是持我一贯的中庸态度，大家看看怎样？
借鉴了smilehaha家那位牛爸爸的思路！
[写的挺好的了。不过body2的观点我不赞同。Body3很难写到实处，不过你写的还不错。
Body1,2是否都将道德和宗教信仰联系的过多了？其实是不可同一而语的。你认为宗教是道德的载体之一没有什么大的问题，但是完全取代，不太可取] Are politics and morality two separate realms? Surely they are. But it will be a more mature attitude to treat they as two different realms with close relationships. They are just like mouth and teeth –[--] separating from each other while also depending on each other.
To begin with, let us take a look towards their similarities[后面讲得好像不是相同点] (relationship). Politics with the cloth of state power, policies and tactics, has a very tight relationship with morality which often takes a certain kind of religion or belief as its form. In many occasions, politics and morality cannot be divided exactly. For intense , people in the western society almost believe in the Christianity. So the governments there usually take the doctrines of the Christianity as moral norms to confine people's ideas for the sake of carrying out their government decrees more smoothly. While in China, many people join the Communist Party, then the government would rather dominate people with the doctrines of Communism. Hence, it is easy to find that such two realms are mutually dependent if only the cooperation could do good to the development and prosperity of society as well as its stability [最后这个句子限定的有点武断。政治和道德的关系更多的是为统治阶层服务，不一定就是为了社会繁荣。]. (Hence, it is clear that such two realms are mutually dependent on each other. To be more exactly, morality is often an instrument handed by the government to solidify its domination and safeguard the stability of society as well as its prosperity. 这样如何？)
However, in actual practice, the great divergence of such two realms emerges. In a simple word, morality is steady, whereas politics is changeful. That is, morality, which is displayed as moral standard, is often handed down from thousands of years ago so that it has more stability than politics. On the contrary, politics, which should be well understood as the state power or policy, is highly complicated and changeable according to the behalf of every separate country and the different demands in different circumstance. For instance, there are only several kinds of religion form such as Christianity, Muslim [这个是回教徒，伊斯兰教是Islam/Islamism], Buddhism and so on[这个例子举的不好，因为现在世界上各种各样奇怪的信仰每时每刻都在新增。举个例子吧，2002年在阿根廷出现了“马拉多纳”教。至少要加上限定才行]. All of them have been existing [直接用existed] for thousands of years and will change a little if there is any. [这个观点我极度怀疑。中国的人们大多不信教可能会这么想，但是美国的判卷老师一定对于基督教从创始至今经历的巨大的变动历程非常熟悉。其他各教派也一样。] While as for politics, the political situation changes from time to time in that there is too much competition (哦！记下来了。) and interests struggle among the [去掉the] countries. Allies may turn into enemies, and adversaries may also become cooperators. No one can (Anyone cannot，呵呵) forebode what would change in the next minute[挺武断的哦]. Seeing [去掉更好] from this angle, it is obvious that politics and morality are two separate realms.[我个人不赞同这一段的观点，感觉没有说服力。两个事物要说明其分离，应该从关系上说；要说明其不同，应从其本质上说。选的角度是变和不变，不太赞同。](想了想，儒家思想怎么样？自从孔子创立它以来，儒家思想就是中国历代政权青睐的对象。经历了几千年，其精髓仍然没有大的变化，可是那些利用它的人却打着它的幌子，采取各种手段来达到自己的目的。好像又说晕了，看来这个分论点是要好好想想。)
Furthermore, another great difference between politics and morality is that the former is pragmatic while the latter is idealistic. The interesting relationship [这个词后面应该跟between … and] of the United States and China is a case in point. It is known to all that the United States is always averse to the condition of the human rights in China. Some of national policies of China such as the birth control are cited as the proof of Chinese government’s autocracy. While in plenty of international affairs, it would rather choose China as its partner because of China’s extensive political influence and strong political power[是不是应该换过来说，先说实力再说影响力](好的). In a sense, morality is just an idealistic and necessary fiction which is used by a state power to limit its people’s minds and fulfill its political goals. When facing with realistic profit, those moral standards are so frail to be broken out and cast away. Only when it really masters the core spirit of politics and morality, can a government or a politician be effective to protect the stability of its country and lead its people forward to the more prosperous society.
All in a word, with a deeper and wider (right!) comprehension to politics and morality, people should understand that the attitudes [用单数] to take them as two isolate realms or a whole are both one-sided. To be a wise and mature observer and commentator towards the two realms, people should be aware of their difference as well as relation.
又是持我一贯的中庸态度，大家看看怎样？
借鉴了smilehaha家那位牛爸爸的思路！
[写的挺好的了。不过body2的观点我不赞同。Body3很难写到实处，不过你写的还不错。
Body1,2是否都将道德和宗教信仰联系的过多了？其实是不可同一而语的。你认为宗教是道德的载体之一没有什么大的问题，但是完全取代，不太可取](你说的对，我的思路的确局限了，body2需要大手术。呵呵，主要是比较懒，看到smile的爸爸说的很有道理，就一股脑挪过来了。)
(嘿嘿，最喜欢看needleMM改的文章了，详尽无比，殚心竭虑之作啊！感动ing……) 最初由 fishergirl 发布
(Hence, it is clear that such two realms are mutually dependent on each other. To be more exactly, morality is often an instrument handed by the government to solidify its domination and safeguard the stability of society as well as its prosperity. 这样如何？)
好多了。不过mutually和each other重复吗？我不知道。我还从来没有用过这个词。后面一个句子写得挺好的。
最初由 fishergirl 发布
No one can (Anyone cannot，呵呵)
没什么区别啊！一样都是全盘否定了
最初由 fishergirl 发布
[我个人不赞同这一段的观点，感觉没有说服力。两个事物要说明其分离，应该从关系上说；要说明其不同，应从其本质上说。选的角度是变和不变，不太赞同。](想了想，儒家思想怎么样？自从孔子创立它以来，儒家思想就是中国历代政权青睐的对象。经历了几千年，其精髓仍然没有大的变化，可是那些利用它的人却打着它的幌子，采取各种手段来达到自己的目的。好像又说晕了，看来这个分论点是要好好想想。)
我主要反对的是你这一段的观点，变和不变。而且，变和不变都是相对的，变还好说，不变你怎么说的清楚呢？有什么是不变的吗？儒家思想？孔子的和朱熹的那就是两码事儿。没有不变的。
最初由 fishergirl 发布
(嘿嘿，最喜欢看needleMM改的文章了，详尽无比，殚心竭虑之作啊！感动ing……)
My pleasure:)，希望对大家有益处才好，很多说的不对的地方也需要和大家讨论。我其实从看文章学了很多东西的。
BTW，天天被叫做needle JJ，忽然被小渔女叫做MM，都不习惯了，呵呵。//pad fishergirl，小孩子：）
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