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smiles11UID: 2232631

TOPIC: ARGUMENT142 - The article entitled 'Eating Iron' in last month's issue of Eating for Health reported that a recent study found a correlation between high levels of iron in the diet and an increased risk of heart disease. Further, it is well established that there is a link between large amounts of red meat in the diet and heart disease, and red meat is high in iron. On the basis of the study and the well-established link between red meat and heart disease, we can conclude that the correlation between high iron levels and heart disease, then, is most probably a function of the correlation between red meat and heart disease.

提纲：
1，高铁盒心脏病的关系是否成立：研究仅仅来源于据报告--不够科学，也不知道是否正确；还有高铁，到底多高也很模糊；
2，即使二者有关系，也不能推出是红肉的原因，其他食品中也含有铁。
3，即使能推出， 其他原因也有可能导致心脏病：不一定是铁，比如其他蛋白质和胆固醇之类的；有可能是烹调方法；还有大量是一个模糊概念，红肉中到底有多少铁还不知道！


The correlation of red meat and heart disease deduced by the relation of high levels of iron and heart disease is not as perfect as the arguer assumes. Although at first glance, the cause-and-effect analysis seems quite cogent, yet it can not bear close reexamination.

What comes first is the relation of high levels of iron in the diet and increased risk of heart disease cited by the editor is open to doubt.  Based on reported information—just an issue of Eating for Health, not a scientific or medical paper, the arguer fails to provide such information about who fulfilled this study and how the study did. Maybe it is just an assumption to be substantiated by other scientist or doctors. Whether it is correct or incorrect is not known. Or it is just deduction from some patient of heart disease. Moreover, we are not informed about what on earth the word "high levels" means. The vague information presented by the arguer seems nonscientific.  Actually, many other factors relates with hear disease such as heredity, the exercises; even the startle may cause heart disease for that kind of people who has weak heart.

Even if high level of iron is related with heart disease, it does not follow that it is the red meat that leads to heart disease. There are so many foods which contain iron other than red meat. It is highly possible that some other proteins which have iron such as eggs, pork, or chicken which is almost the everyday food for the people, and the quantity accumulated to a certain extent may cause high iron then the heart disease. It is still possible that there are irons in some vegetables. Or even the iron pan may bring some iron to the food which then leads to heart disease. There are so many means that the people could get the iron rather than the red meat.

Furthermore, it is unwarranted that the arguer draws the conclusion of red meat and heart disease the relation of iron and heart disease. Given the well- established link between large amount of red meat diet and heart disease, other possibility may cause heart disease. There is not a single iron that red meat contains as we all know other components also have influential role once being digested by the people. For instance, some particular protein that red meat contains is the substantial root of heart attack. It is still likely that its deleterious function stems from the methods used to cook the red meat or the side-ingredient. Provided the iron of red meat caused heart disease, we are also not informed large mounts of meat means. How much iron does one pound of red meat contains? All of them are absorbed? Maybe the iron the red meat has, as a kind of metal, is not easy to absorb and most of them are secreted outside of the body. Therefore, the argument is not so power to get the relation of red meat and heart disease from the relation of high iron and heart disease.

In sum, the argument is not very persuasive. After all, healthy is such important to many people and the red meat is one of their main foods. Without scrutinizing more considerate information and providing more convincing evidence to substantiate the conclusion, the arguer can not quote a vague study to draw any conclusion.

[ 本帖最后由 smiles11 于 2006-7-29 07:34 编辑 ]

dychangfengUID: 2216148

TOPIC: ARGUMENT142 - The article entitled 'Eating Iron' in last month's issue of Eating for Health reported that a recent study found a correlation between high levels of iron in the diet and an increased risk of heart disease. Further, it is well established that there is a link between large amounts of red meat in the diet and heart disease, and red meat is high in iron. On the basis of the study and the well-established link between red meat and heart disease, we can conclude that the correlation between high iron levels and heart disease, then, is most probably a function of the correlation between red meat and heart disease.

提纲：
1，高铁盒心脏病的关系是否成立：研究仅仅来源于据报告--不够科学，也不知道是否正确；还有高铁，到底多高也很模糊；
2，即使二者有关系，也不能推出是红肉的原因，其他食品中也含有铁。
3，即使能推出， 其他原因也有可能导致心脏病：不一定是铁，比如其他蛋白质和胆固醇之类的；有可能是烹调方法；还有大量是一个模糊概念，红肉中到底有多少铁还不知道！


The correlation of red meat and heart disease deduced by the relation of high levels of iron and heart disease is not as perfect as the arguer assumes. Although at first glance, the cause-and-effect analysis seems quite cogent, yet it can not bear close reexamination.（我理解作者的结论是红肉与心脏病导致了高铁与心脏病的关系。。。咱们理解的好像有点不一样，题目最后一句话）
What comes first is the relation of high levels of iron in the diet and increased risk of heart disease cited by the editor is open to doubt.  Based on reported information—just an issue of Eating for Health, not a scientific or medical paper, the arguer fails to provide such information about who fulfilled this study and how the study did. Maybe it is just an assumption to be substantiated by other scientist or doctors. Whether it is correct or incorrect is not known. Or it is just deduction from some patient of heart disease. Moreover, we are not informed about what on earth the word "high levels" means. The vague information presented by the arguer seems nonscientific.  Actually, many other factors relates with hear disease such as heredity, the exercises; even the startle may cause heart disease for that kind of people who has weak heart.

Even if high level of iron is related with heart disease, it does not follow that it is the red meat that leads to heart disease. There are so many foods which contain iron other than red meat. It is highly possible that some other proteins which have iron such as eggs, pork, or chicken which is almost the everyday food for the people, and the quantity accumulated to a certain extent may cause high iron then the heart disease. It is still possible that there are irons in some vegetables. Or even the iron pan may bring some iron to the food which then leads to heart disease. There are so many means that the people could get the iron rather than the red meat.

Furthermore, it is unwarranted that the arguer draws the conclusion of red meat and heart disease the relation of iron and heart disease. Given the well- established link between large amount of red meat diet and heart disease, other possibility may cause heart disease. There is not a single iron that red meat contains as we all know other components also have influential role once being digested by the people. For instance, some particular protein that red meat contains is the substantial root of heart attack. It is still likely that its deleterious function stems from the methods used to cook the red meat or the side-ingredient. Provided the iron of red meat caused heart disease, we are also not informed large mounts of meat means. How much iron does one pound of red meat contains? All of them are absorbed? Maybe the iron the red meat has, as a kind of metal, is not easy to absorb and most of them are secreted outside of the body. Therefore, the argument is not so power to get the relation of red meat and heart disease from the relation of high iron and heart disease.

In sum, the argument is not very persuasive. After all, healthy is such important to many people and the red meat is one of their main foods. Without scrutinizing more considerate information and providing more convincing evidence to substantiate the conclusion, the arguer can not quote a vague study to draw any conclusion.
在这篇中，我跟你的理解差距有点大，下面是我的，我觉得最主要的攻击点就是红肉与心脏病的关系并不确定，这是论断的前提，如果它不成立，结论就没有什么意义了。
其次是证据，一个调查，这点文章攻击的很好
最后是就算前提和调查都成立，结论也不一定成立，很多是无中都有铁，这点作者也论证的很好。
我觉得argument因该注意的是攻击顺序，我是倾向于按照重要性来排列的
个人意见，不对了咱们讨论啊

[ 本帖最后由 dychangfeng 于 2006-7-30 21:23 编辑 ]

eyemeiUID: 205999

感觉有顺序更好，但是考试的时候还能考虑顺序真的挺奢侈的
感觉顺序方面北美范文多一点的说，呵呵，开始我也想，后来真是对自己降低要求了
仔细看过ets的范文，感觉没有多少考虑顺序的说，呵呵至少没有明显的看出来
感觉就从简单的写起比较实际，呵呵

感觉写的时候可以围绕论据是否可以推导出结论这样的对应着写哦，
感觉好像那个流冰的范文就是那样思路，感觉写的蛮省劲的，又讨巧
是不是可以写的简单一点啊
感觉smile写的真的好难好难啊，太给ets面子了哦。

smiles11UID: 2232631

On the basis of the study and the well-established link between red meat and heart disease, we can conclude that the correlation between high iron levels and heart disease, then, is most probably a function of the correlation between red meat and heart disease.

我们理解的差异就在於这句话：
上一期的《健康饮食》杂志上刊登的题为《食铁》的文章报导说最近一项研究发现饮食中铁的含量过高与心脏病发病率增加有关联。而且，我们已经知道饮食中大量的牛羊肉和心脏病是有联系的，牛羊肉中铁的含量很高。基于以上研究和牛羊肉与心脏病之间的已知联系，我们可以得出结论，高铁含量与心脏病之间的关联最有可能是牛羊肉与心脏病之间关联的作用。
------这是中文翻译

我也糊涂了，不知道是谁推出谁了？