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发表于 2005-4-8 17:55:49 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
147"Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them."   

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I fundamentally disagree the assertion since the author separates the correlation between tradition and modernization. It is ridiculous that only one of them can survive. Quite to the contrary, a combination and interaction of they two is indispensable.

The intrinsic nature of human determines a modernization without tradition is impossible.  Since traditional value, concepts are influential on human, no matter whether one are conscious of its existing. With globalization, youngsters in China, Japan which are relatively traditional are indulged into the fashion affairs such as dancing n Disco through the whole night, drinking Coca-Cola instead of tea. They seem to be so reluctant to dress themselves in tradition. But in fact, after satisfying their curiosities, the deeply rooted value system will effect on their behaviors. They will be boring of the superficial imitation of western modernization and return back from Discos, some of them even feel regret of throwing their own traditional life style during that period. It is tradition that can not be abandon by human-beings. Modern life styles, matters and objects without traditional effects is just surface and will not last long.

On the contrary, the demands of human-beings to make progresses urge modernization as a necessity. Holding the tradition tightly and ignoring the new development only lead to stagnant daydream. In retrospect of chinese history, several emperors of Qing dynasty, rejected any new things, fresh ideas and foreign concepts since they blindly adored the splendid history of thousands of years. Ironically, it was cannons and firepower which seemed to be the ancient discoveries of chinese tradition that knocked the closed door of China. Only reminding the "good old days" without going forward dooms to be retrogression, just the same as boating against reversal wash.

In addition, traditions can survive better with the assistant of modernization which can help them escape the destiny of extinction.  We can look no further than the damages of ancient architectures of Italy. Without modern technology, some of them will be ruined by history.  

In sum,  not only do they not mutually exclusive, but they also need each other. It is not excessive to regard tradition as the foundation of modernization, meanwhile, treat modernization as renascence of tradition.
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发表于 2005-4-8 19:12:12 |只看该作者
147"Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them."


I fundamentally disagree the assertion since the author separates the correlation between tradition and modernization. It is ridiculous that only one of them can survive. Quite to the contrary, a combination and interaction of they two??倒不一定错,但决得不是很好 is indispensable. 看完ETS6分的文章的一个感觉就是他们的开头大多也是在证明,似乎是把论点“证”出来,也就是你看了他们的前面你就会觉得,理所应当是这个结论。而你这个方面就差一些,但这个东西好说不好写

The intrinsic nature of human有点唐突,可能是由于前面的铺垫不够吧,看看下面吧 determines a modernization without tradition is impossible. Since traditional value,为什么加逗号 concepts are influential on human, no matter whether one are conscious of its existing. With globalization, youngsters in China, Japan whichwho are relatively traditional are indulged怎么是纵容呢 into the fashion affairs不好 such as dancing n Disco through the whole night, drinking Coca-Cola instead of tea. They seem to be so reluctant to dress themselves in tradition. But in fact, after satisfying their curiosities, the deeply rooted value system will effectaffect on their behaviors. They will be boring of the superficial imitation of western modernization and return back from Discos, some of them even feel regret of throwing their own traditional life style during that period.这是你在说不是事实在说话,没有根据呀,你要用人们的共识作为论据才有说服力 It is tradition that can not be abandon by human-beings.为什么 Modern life styles, matters物质?? and objects物体?? without traditional effects is just surface and will not last long.又是为什么,难道仅仅因为年轻人自己觉得They will be boring of the superficial imitation of western modernization and return back from Discos, some of them even feel regret of throwing their own traditional life style during that period么
你在这一段就犯了我那篇所说的错误了,就是说你不是在证明,而是在强奸(虽然这个词有点不恰当,我用这个词没有别的意思,只是想说你是在强迫他人认同你的观点)别人的思想。你的例子首先就不是很有说服力,而你例子后面的“论证”完全是一种陈述,根本没说为什么,如果照你这样说我是不是可以说没了传统世界会灭亡呢

On the contrary,the demands of human-beings to make progresses urge不错 modernization as a necessity. Holding the tradition tightly and ignoring the new development only lead to stagnant daydream停止的白日梦好象有点双重否定的意思,但不强烈,不过最好改一下. In retrospect of chinese history, several emperors of Qing dynasty, rejected any new things, fresh ideas and foreign concepts since they blindly adored the splendid history of thousands of years. Ironically, it was cannons and firepower which seemed to be the ancient discoveries of chinese tradition that knocked the closed door of China.这个例子举的不错,至少老外应该知道这段历史,而且应该让他们反省一下 Only reminding the "good old days" without going forward dooms to be retrogression, just the same as boating against reversal wash. 有了这个例子似乎就不用讲为什么他能支持你的论点了,例子已经比较充分了,而且你在例子中也基本把这个问题说明白了

In addition, traditions can survive better with the assistant of modernization which can help them escape the destiny of extinction. We can look no further than the damages of ancient architectures of Italy. Without modern technology, some of them will be ruined by history.首先,传统就仅仅指古建筑么,你就一个例子就能有说服力么,你自己觉得充分么

In sum, not only do they not mutually exclusive, but they also need each other. It is not excessive to regard tradition as the foundation of modernization, meanwhile, treat modernization as renascence of tradition.其实你可以借鉴一下ETS范文中专通才的那篇文章的双without的结尾,即可以总结全文,又可以深化主题
你这篇文章主要的问题就是在对于传统这个概念的定位上缺乏深度,你似乎只是停留在了表层,我觉得传统如果往深了说可以说成tradition helps individuals to  explore the basic psychological need for their identities,such as rituals, mores, attitudes,beliefs and the like. when a people's tridation becomes extinct the result is a diminished sense of pride, dignity, and self-worth.

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发表于 2005-4-8 19:33:56 |只看该作者
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“个人愚见,继续讨论”

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发表于 2005-4-8 19:56:49 |只看该作者
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[B]147"Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them."

The intrinsic nature of human有点唐突,可能是由于前面的铺垫不够吧,看看下面吧 determines a modernization without tradition is impossible. Since traditional value,为什么加逗号 concepts are influential on human, no matter whether one are conscious of its existing. With globalization, youngsters in China, Japan whichwho are relatively traditional are indulged怎么是纵容呢 into the fashion affairs不好 such as dancing n Disco through the whole night, drinking Coca-Cola instead of tea. They seem to be so reluctant to dress themselves in tradition. But in fact, after satisfying their curiosities, the deeply rooted value system will effectaffect on their behaviors. They will be boring of the superficial imitation of western modernization and return back from Discos, some of them even feel regret of throwing their own traditional life style during that period.这是你在说不是事实在说话,没有根据呀,你要用人们的共识作为论据才有说服力 It is tradition that can not be abandon by human-beings.为什么 Modern life styles, matters物质?? and objects物体?? without traditional effects is just surface and will not last long.又是为什么,难道仅仅因为年轻人自己觉得They will be boring of the superficial imitation of western modernization and return back from Discos, some of them even feel regret of throwing their own traditional life style during that period么
你在这一段就犯了我那篇所说的错误了,就是说你不是在证明,而是在强奸(虽然这个词有点不恰当,我用这个词没有别的意思,只是想说你是在强迫他人认同你的观点)别人的思想。你的例子首先就不是很有说服力,而你例子后面的“论证”完全是一种陈述,根本没说为什么,如果照你这样说我是不是可以说没了传统世界会灭亡呢

以下省略...... [/B]


sblbasler很切中我的要害!!  拍的很爽! 

发现自从超级陷入专业学习之后 就有强奸别人思想的潜在企图  
这个不仅体现在AW上 平时也有!!!
硬伤啊~~

想在某些特殊的点上 在本来就没什么例子支持的地方做文章
最后就变成了强制他人接受


需要大改  这篇!! 
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发表于 2005-4-8 20:08:23 |只看该作者
改完在PM我也可以,反正我最近不是很想写,虽然马上就考了

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发表于 2005-4-8 20:20:46 |只看该作者
没问题`~
ps  调整一下心态 不想写就改改以前的东西 觉得会收获更大的

sblbasler 哪天考?
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发表于 2005-4-9 03:37:17 |只看该作者

重新看了范文 不知道这样写如何

Tradition and modernization do co-exist with harmony in reality. Furthermore they interact with each other. Therefore, tradition can be modernized, while modernization is of tradition.

At the beginning we can take a look at the pottery in China as an introduction. With its material and craft handed down from ancestors, artists in the present society are passionate to make a modernization by either reducing the decorations on forms or unifying the surface colors and textures. It is the modern aesthetics that bases on traditional crafts.

Moreover, compatibility between the two is the requirement by human's intrinsic psychological needs. On one hand, people always enjoy recalling the “old good days”; on the other hand, an inclination of making progress and innovations is also come with the birth of human. For example, Christmas, as a traditional western festival, is developed rather than eliminated by modernization. Getting together with family members and exchanging presents are ever-lasting customs and routines, although the specific entertainments are not restrained within eating and chatting and the particular presents also break the rule of old things, such as toys or sweets. It is human who are greedy for not only maintaining the old,but also capturing the new.

In addition, a presumptuous separation between the two elements may lead to undesirable result. We can draw the lessons from history.

Without tradition preservation, the modernization will face an awkward situation for a great loss of heritage treasures. During the famous "Cultural revolution" initiated by Mao Ze Dong government, a myriad of books about Confucius were burnt to ashes, which proved to be a wrongheaded decision for the so-called modernization. Ironically, the modernization was ever criticized by European journalists as a ten-year retrogression/ degeneration / decay/ decline in newspapers in history.

Similarly, merely holding traditions tightly, although splendid it was, dooms to be a backward destiny. The emperors of Qing dynasty just fixed on the history treasures rigidly instead of promoting or just welcoming modernization. It is quite ridiculous that the closed door of china was ultimately knocked open by foreign cannons and firepower which were just Chinese traditional discoveries.

In sum, without tradition, modernization may be only rest on superficial level and easily to be subverted by history; without modernization, tradition may lose its significance of existence and wait directly for its terminal.
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米占上,加油!!
我的目标:永不止步!

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发表于 2005-4-15 13:22:35 |只看该作者
Tradition and modernization do co-exist with harmony in reality. Furthermore they interact with each other. Therefore, tradition can be modernized, while modernization is of tradition.Furthermore。。。。。。Therefore ,你是如何由前面这两句推出这个 结论的呢,这三句的逻辑关系似乎不是这样的啊?后面似乎是前面的细化啊?

At the beginning we can take a look at the pottery in China as an introduction. With its material and craft handed down from ancestors, artists in the present society are passionate to make a modernization by either reducing the decorations on forms or unifying the surface colors and textures. It is the modern aesthetics that bases on traditional crafts.这个例子写的很清楚。不错

Moreover, compatibility between the two is the requirement required 是不是好一些,你用by代表方式,前面用被动会好一些by human's intrinsic psychological needs. On one hand, people always enjoy recalling the “old good days”; on the other hand, an inclination of making progress and innovations is also comeis 去掉 with the birth of human. For example, Christmas, as a traditional western festival, is developed rather than eliminated by modernization. Getting together with family members and exchanging presents are ever-lasting customs and routines, although the specific entertainments are not restrained within eating and chatting and the particular presents also break the rule of old things, such as toys or sweets. It is human who are greedy for not only maintaining the old,but also capturing the new.这个例子就差点了,你说Christmas是现代还是传统,现在存在的东西就是现代的吗/??你是如何定义传统和现代的呢?     这段讲compatibility 来自于人的本性需要。

In addition, a presumptuous separation between the two elements may lead to undesirable result. We can draw the lessons from history.

Without tradition preservation, the modernization will face an awkward situation for a great loss of heritage treasures. During the famous "Cultural revolution" initiated by Mao Ze Dong government, a myriad of books about Confucius were burnt to ashes, which proved to be a wrongheaded decision for the so-called modernization. Ironically, the modernization was ever criticized by European journalists as a ten-year retrogression/ degeneration / decay/ decline in newspapers in history. 我认为你缺的如何通过例证对你的观点进行支持,首先这个历史老外不明白,其次你似乎应该说这样做的后果到底是如何 make people face an awkward situation 的呢?仅仅through the words of European journalist 远远不能支持你的观点的。这段讲没有传统不行

Similarly, merely holding traditions tightly, although splendid it was, dooms to be a backward destiny. The emperors of Qing dynasty just fixed on the history treasures rigidly instead of promoting or just welcoming modernization. It is quite ridiculous that the closed door of china was ultimately knocked open by foreign cannons and firepower which were just Chinese traditional discoveries. 这一段不错的。没有现代不行。

In sum, without tradition, modernization may be only rest on superficial level and easily to be subverted by history; without modernization, tradition may lose its significance of existence and wait directly for its terminal.
你的思路和清晰,想的也很透彻,但是例证对观点的支持力度不够大,导致你在表达自己的观点的时候很难深入进去。我个人认为这需要很深入的思考和锤炼。总的来说很不错的,感觉你下了不小的功夫,用词也不错,继续努力,如果还有哪篇需要我改给我发悄悄话。:
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