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本帖最后由 cheesechan 于 2015-8-7 18:14 编辑

one of SYU / HSMC / OUHK ?
math part: if you are still in HK, take the diploma for graduate in mathematics from UoL international......(Abstract mathematics + Further linear algebra + Further calculus + Advanced mathematical analysis + Optimisation theory + Advanced statistics: distribution theory + Advanced statistics: statistical inference)

econ part: where is your intermediate micro / macro / econometrics ? you also need to find a way to take it back somehow as most solid econ master will look into this also seriously too.

the keypoint for a course to be accepted as taken is: examination. How well you master the knowledge of the course must be formally assessed through an creditible approach.

Alternative solution
1. if you are not in a job / are willing to take few weeks off, you can consider a on-campus summer school somewhere in US/UK. cost is a concern but not the biggest one as the opp. cost for going to study is much bigger.

2. get a "water" master in economics somewhere (e.g. HKU MEcon, JHU MS Applied econ, ....) which indeed only teach economics at senior bachelor level (and thus they have lower admission requirement on your math & econ requirement), and use it as springboard to a more solid one. The biggest concern is indeed.....your background is not strong enough (both uni and gpa) to get into a "water" one from a famous university......

Q1. be honest are you really interested in academics economics? [as you seems don't have any exposure to it before (into level micro / macro, business MSc for sure don't count)]

Q2. please list out all the math (if any), stat, econ course taken.

Q3. which schools you had been looking into till now?

P.S.1. and indeed.........paper being sample in a business MSc = it shows nothing, since 1. it is a business MSc, and thus your peer group are not well trained in academics. 2. it is PolyU only, academics is a very competitive field.)

P.S.2. your undergradate GPA is a very very big concern, i.e. need something else to show your academic ability (GRE is not useful for this purpose). I had heard of someone from this level of university getting admission from master of level at UK top 5 or eqv., but he/she is the top of the class for sure.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-8-7 17:14
one of SYU / HSMC / OUHK ?
math part: if you are still in HK, take the diploma for graduate in math ...

Firstly, I'm just so honored to get your reply..I have to say your words really discourage me...but this is exactly why I'm writing this post, to set myself into the right position. So, thanks a lot!!!BTW, you are right, I'm in one of the three Us.

It is not easy to figure out a dream career path, but I'd really love to dedicate my time to do economic research. But yes, I don't have the chance to get a econ-related degree, and systematic training. I tried to apply for master econ programmes in HK, but failed. So I wonder if my undergrad GPA will stop me from econ study forever...

So are there any chances I could be admitted to any Us in the US that offering a master econ programme for PhD, given that I finish taking foundation math and econ courses with an excellent grade? If no, to what extent will it help if I take a "water" econ programme?

If there is a way, I will follow it anyway, no matter how many years it will take...so please at least give me some instructions on what I can do now...many thanks!!!

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羅小沈发表于 2015-8-7 18:32
Firstly, I'm just so honored to get your reply..I have to say your words really discourage me...but this is exactly why I'm writing this post, to set myself into the right position. So, thanks a lot!!!BTW, you are right, I'm in one of the three Us.

It is not easy to figure out a dream career path, but I'd really love to dedicate my time to do economic research. But yes, I don't have the chance to get a econ-related degree, and systematic training. I tried to apply for master econ programmes in HK, but failed. So I wonder if my undergrad GPA will stop me from econ study forever...

So are there any chances I could be admitted to any Us in the US that offering a master econ programme for PhD, given that I finish taking foundation math and econ courses with an excellent grade? If no, to what extent will it help if I take a "water" econ programme?

If there is a way, I will follow it anyway, no matter how many years it will take...so please at least give me some instructions on what I can do now...many thanks!!!

A1. Life is like that. If one's background is not enough, i.e. far from the goal, one have to think twice if one really want it or not as the cost (time and $$) towards it is high.
A2. not high GPA + not related discipline + not famous uni = very big problem to be solved, but nothing stop you forever.......at the worst case you have the solution of doing another bachelor.
A3. there're many university in US, from the best to the worst in the world, i.e. you always have chances to be admitted. the only uncertainty is........if the program is good enough for preparation for a good enough PhD. I guess still difficult. (but given your profile, be honest, things will be difficult anyway...)

Q1. are you working full time now?
Q2. what's your expected budget for the period before you get PhD studentship? and time frame?
Q3. which school had you applied and planning to apply?

P.S.1 the general picture is an exception rather than the norm that US university offer an academic master in economics, since their PhD consider BSc applicant directly, which is not the case for most other part of the world. most US master is for professional purpose
P.S.2 "water" master indeed not much use, but just only for those student who want a name on CV to find a job, and if one plan to go for PhD, a place for getting good reference if one comes outside the network but with solid preparation, i.e. guess not a good solution for your case.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-8-7 18:57
A1. Life is like that. If one's background is not enough, i.e. far from the goal, one have to ...

I'm full-time preparing all these things now, and I really don't care too much about the costs.

Alright, I get your point. Let me just focus on those things I have to do, and then give it a try. Maybe at last I will fail, but I won't regret it anyway. At least, I really did the best I can.

Thanks, seriously.

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羅小沈发表于 2015-8-7 20:44
I'm full-time preparing all these things now, and I really don't care too much about the costs.
...

given you have no time and budget constraint, there are many choice anyway.........

two main part have to make up:
math: multivariate calculus, linear algebra, probability, and statistics is a must. it is nice to have analysis (but really abstract), and a bit more applied math course (e.g. stochastic, optimization, time series, differential eqn) will help too.
econ: for a solid one, intermediate micro and macro is a must. econometrics is assumed. in general a bit more topic course in economics helps but not something that must be there.
I suppose you have statistics and econometrics already in bachelor but not others. Theses among to around 1.5 year of coursework at normal speed in university I guess.

P.S. (there are others solution for sure, but I am more familiar with the UK one)
- UoL internation dip for math to make up the mathematics part (but beware: exam is really as strict as on-campus one and no support.....) for 15-17.
- LSE summer school for intermediate micro, intermediate macro and intermediate econometrics for 16 summer.
- find your previous professor to see if there are any RA/TA available.
- and then apply for fall 2017 admission. (apply for 2016 is a bit too rush unless you can have all the things ready by end of this year, but can still try it for sure if you want)

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我的建议是在你决定大笔投入时间和金钱进行这样一项浩大的工程之前，先去看一看Econ PhD们到底都在干什么。Ms和Undergraduate的paper和研究能力几乎对于你是否能成为good researcher没有任何预见能力。坦白的说，我自己以前写的很多东西也一样，都是一些garbage。因为你的背景是相对来说较弱的的，而且我本人因为也有BBA Degree所以我知道商院到底有多水，所以我的建议是你去MIT OCW这样的网站找一找他们PhD的课程，然后一步一步根据Prerequisite倒推回去，看看要到哪一门基础课你才能看懂。然后按照3-4门课一学期的速度计算一下自己大概要多久才能达到PhD Econ的基础要求（满足Prerequisite很多时候不保证你就具备了搞定一门课的基础，但是这是best guess）。如果你是一个普通的Econ学生，只是欠缺一些背景，我很鼓励大家去尝试一下。但是因为你从来没有过相关的训练，我的建议是你先去详细了解一下到底Econ PhD将经历什么样的学习和研究过程再下决心来读PhD。我认识一个和你差不多背景的PhD同学，他28岁才进入PhD项目，而且这个人的数学水平和研究能力其实是很高的，只是背景不好就把他挡在PhD门外整整6年。

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bsyben 发表于 2015-8-7 21:54
我的建议是在你决定大笔投入时间和金钱进行这样一项浩大的工程之前，先去看一看Econ PhD们到底都在干什么。 ...

我的建议是你先去详细了解一下到底Econ PhD将经历什么样的学习和研究过程再下决心来读PhD。

100% agree.
I know quite some people feel that they are interested in economics during their secondary school and thus want to be an economist, and go to economics major in university, and then find that it is not something they expected..

bsyben 发表于 2015-8-7 21:54
然后一步一步根据Prerequisite倒推回去，看看要到哪一门基础课你才能看懂。然后按照3-4门课一学期的速度计算一下自己大概要多久才能达到PhD Econ的基础要求（满足Prerequisite很多时候不保证你就具备了搞定一门课的基础，但是这是best guess）。
我认识一个和你差不多背景的PhD同学，他28岁才进入PhD项目，而且这个人的数学水平和研究能力其实是很高的，只是背景不好就把他挡在PhD门外整整6年。

without taking the level of university in account, but just talk about making up the coursework gap back academically, I guess it take around 4 year for OP:
- multivariate calculus, linear algebra, elementary analysis, elementary analysis, probability, intermediate micro, intermediate macro, probability, statistics & econometrics
- stochastic process, statistical inference, optimization, time series, real analysis, and a bit more math/stat/econ....i.e. basically doing another bachelor in math & econ but just kick away those general requirement (e.g. language and general education)
- master year 1: core micro X2, macro X2, metric X2
- master year 2: other econ course and thesis

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楼主你好，感觉目前你对经济学博士申请准备不是很充分，希望最大的也就是你现在就读的学校，看看教授能不能因为了解你的水平录取你，其他机会不多。还有就是网上数学课基本上用处很小，如果一定要弥补，除了修读数学学院课程，也可以考虑以后参加数学的暑期学校，比如LSE的实分析。还有就是，为什么要读经济学博士，你申请管理类的，也不是没有机会

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如果连最基本的微积分、线性代数和概率论都没有的话，summer school也很难弥补。Poly的那个credit based比较靠谱。我身边的同学（PhD同学）也有这么干的。

相比数学课不够我觉得更重要的一点是，基于你的background，你是否知道现代经济学研究是怎么样一个情况，如果不知道的话，在知道以后还是否想从事这方面的工作？

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bsyben 发表于 2015-8-7 21:54
我的建议是在你决定大笔投入时间和金钱进行这样一项浩大的工程之前，先去看一看Econ PhD们到底都在干什么。 ...

感谢版主的这个建议。总感觉那一年的master有些浪费时间，偏离了我的目标。但事已至此，也只能专注于现在了。我看到版内有人说master是最后一次转专业的机会，那如果我补齐了数学和经济的基础课，先读一个香港的经济master，再审美国的跳板master，这样机会会多一点吗？其实我也是做好了用6年准备PhD的打算，，，只是不知道最后的结果是怎么样。但无论如何，我还是想试一下。

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