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标  题: 一个坏消息
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu Nov 16 17:06:22 2000)

昨天让mm去问Caltech的EE系主任关于申请的事情

被人狠狠的羞辱了一通.... //sigh

那个腚说了以下几点：

1、中国学生的GPA很让人怀疑，高的高得不象话。过来一看，水平非常
低，最基本的微积分都不通。

2、中国学生的reference很多是自己写的，而不是教授写的。

3、各个学校，尤其是清华，所有申请的人都是top 5%，不论
那个系多么的小。

4、中国人的英语水平和GRE分数根本不成比例，他手下的一个据说
在中国牛X死了的博士，过来以后跟着本科生上了一年的英语补习，
而那个家伙GRE 2350

他最后的结论是中国人prefer cheating，没什么好人。

偶mm的感叹是，中国人自己堵死自己的路。上面好多的东西都是过去
了的中国人告诉这个腚的。而且中国学生弄虚作假的的确太多了。

标  题: 造假的后果--转载自今日未名空间
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Tue Nov 14 19:19:35 2000)

发信人: cardspirit (penny), 信区: Overseas
标  题: SOS 级求救！
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Nov 13 22:43:59 2000) WWW-POST

偶现在一学校读 Ph.D ,因交男友不慎，告吹后，
把帮我签
recommendation letters 的事捅到 graduate school 那去了
。
Boss 已被 graduate school 找过，今天也找我谈过  了
。他本意
要留我。但 graduate school 说要查到底，我急是因
为有个
老师，我没打招呼就自己写的 .
我该咋办？？？？？？
                                       标  题: 假成绩上MIT的故事
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Wed Feb 16 14:36:04 2000)

很多年前清华物理系一个学生就是用伪造的文件（成绩单，推荐信等）
被MIT录取并给了全奖，但是他入学后教授发现他并没有那么出色，
于是检查他的成绩单发现可能有诈，但是好像还是80年代，MIT和
清华还没有很多联系，经办此事的教授认识杨振宁，知道他是Tsinghua
University毕业的，就把所有文件寄给杨，杨博士当时就觉得颜面扫地，
赶紧把文件寄回清华。。。。结果这个学生被开除，据说还上了黑名单（
不知是否真有）使其无法在所有的正规美国大学入学。后来这个人的
下落就无人可知了。

还有一件事，王大中前几年到MIT物理系（也可能是核工程系）
访问，其系主任问王校长清华应用物理系（也可能是工程物理系）一届有多少学生
王答3个班不到100人，该系主任说按照申请的学生数量和他们推荐信上
写明的名次百分比，清华物理系应该有300人以上。

【在 prig (闷饭) 的大作中提到: 】
: 恩，等着被鬼子驱逐吧。GRIN
标  题: 为什么我们的名声会那么差？
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu Mar 28 23:07:32 2002)

前一段时间，因为一个偶然的原因，认识了一个
医学院的来自大陆的教授。后来谈到申请，他说
他是他们系的招生委员会的成员，但现在每年招生
都觉得很尴尬：
1。开始时，他特别喜欢向委员会推荐来自大陆的学生，
毕竟自己也来自大陆。但有些大陆学生在联系的时候，
很会陶瓷，三天两头写信表示非常感兴趣。但是发了
Offer之后，就再也没有音信，不去了，连封回信也
没有。刚过4。15时，他们还以为信或email出错，
所以还接着等一阵，结果自己损失不小。
2。最严重的是有些人纯粹是拿他们当跳板。由于
众所周知的原因，读基础医学和生物的人通常很难
找到工作，很多人出来之前就打定主意转学。
而且他们医学院的排名只是在40名左右，
不是很好，这种现象尤其严重。有些人甚至在他们
学院待一或两个学期就走人了。美国是挺讲自由的，
走的时候通常所有的人，无论是导师还是系里的人
都会很客气，也不会为难你，说不定还会笑容满面
的祝福你。但你如果你多了解一点美国，就知道
那些祝福和客气是多么的虚伪。
3。有些学生为了逃申请费，把自己的生活描述的很
悲惨，出身在多惨的家庭，每天吃饭如何如何，政府
也没补助等等。使美国的有些教授都认为中国是个
多么贫困和可怜的地区。这个教授说的他左右为难，
说这些人不对，就等于说中国人的诚信，但又实在不
想他的同事这样看中国。
现在他们学院的有些系已经明确不招来自中国大陆的
学生了。我无意对有些人进行批评，只是希望那些拿
到Offer的同学，如果不去的话，至少写个 email通知
一下。对于那些打定主意要转学的同学，请三思一下
你的行动对后来人的影响。当你不想交申请费时，
用不着把自己写的那么惨，因为实在是这一招没有用，
太老太老了，如果他们可以接受没申请费，
用不着这么写，如果他们不接受，也不会因为这么写
就会接受你。

来了美国你就会知道，很多人都认为中国人很“精明”，
真希望以后我们不再那么精明。

标  题: 教授的一封信--来自EE major， U OF MICHIGAN
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Tue Apr  7 08:11:02 1998)

I would like to inform you of the situation relevant to Chinese
graduate students here, at least at our department, which makes
it very difficult for us to accept graduate students from China
in the future.

Over about one year period, we have had 6 Chinese Ph.D. students
quit their RAship and Ph.D. studies. The reason for them to leave
was not that they could not continue, it was rather because they want
to have a job now (a higher salary, with a hope that the companies will
apply for their green card status). They came with thier promises to
pursue their Ph.D. degrees, we paid tuition for them to take courses for
their Master degree, and we taught and helped them in their research
capabilities. Once they got their M.S. degree in Electrical Engeering,
because of the excellent job market in the U.S. at this time, it is
relatively easy for them to find a job. In a way we felt that we were
used as a step for those Chinese students to come here, and get their
master's degree, then get their jobs. We pay approximately $45-50 K/year
for each Ph.D. student, including the tuition, health insurance, various
fees, lab and computer fees, and monthly salary, we also put a lot of time
and efforts for them. They (most of them) also did good research work as
assistants. However, we don't get credit because we don't produce PH.D's,
which is one of our major purposes as an institution of high education.
On the other hand, they have their particular interests which are also
understandable, for example, financial pressure, and wishes to have their
green card applications on the way asap.

This situation also happened to my Chinese Ph.D.student. He is very
talented and did a good job in research. However, after he got his M.S.
in EE, he resigned very recently. We still let him stay here presently
(with salary) for one more month, otherwise he will have to repay his
tuition, which is over $10K. Although we are very considerate for those
students, the consequencies are obvious:

(1) It greatly degraded the reputation of Chinese graduate students who
apply for admission. Some professors address those as "very unethical",
"you really cannot trust them when they promise you to pursue their
Ph.D. degrees under your supervision", " you feel you are so stupid
as cheated by your own student". It really created some resentment.
Actually, I know, as of this time, there are a couple of more students
looking for a job or already got a job offer, but not telling their
advisors. They will quit at the last minute before they leave.
This situation will certainly get backfired, and the damadge will mostly
be transferred onto the future applicants from China.

(2) Some professors or research scientists have already made their
decisions not to consider Chinese student applications. Although it should
not and cannot be a policy, it is the individual's decision in selecting
future Ph.D. students with preference, and in my opinion, with good
reasons. It will make it much more difficult for us to bring in Ph.D.
students from China. For example, as you know, I was looking for one or
two Ph.D. students later this year, and I have a vacancy for a Ph.D.
student now. But I will not consider Chinese applicants. At the same time
I feel truely sorry, for I know, especially many graduate students from
Tsinghua University of very high qualifications sent email applications to
me (and to other professors), including yourself. Now I have to inform you
that please try your applications elsewhere, or other professors.

In our department, many Chinese graduate students know me and we have a
very friendly relationships. The faculty members know that too. One told
me: "You try to help them, then they screw you up!"

I spent time to write this email message, for your information and
considerations, as to how this situation may be somehow alleviated.
You may discuss this with your close friends and classmates, I am
not sure you should broadly propagate this message. But I did present
a fact and an opinion.

标  题: 出国过程中,最重要的到底是什么...
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Tue Jan  2 15:18:46 2001)

我从去年开始联系,今年还在努力.一直我就很努力,我付出了
很多,但是我越来越发现付出和收获是不一定成正比的.我身边
同样也有同学在联系,和他们相比我的条件比他们好,我GT成绩
最高,GPA比他们强,因为我比他们更加投入.但是他们相继那到
OFFER,退学,出国,而我现在还在苦苦挣扎.

从事后的询问中，我才知道他们很会陶瓷，从他们的材料中,
我看到了那么多的虚假成分,还有成绩单我不知道他的真实度到底有
多少,因为他是学校子弟,所以关系很发达的那种.他们的成功对我的
触动很大.也许出国不是实力的竞争,更是手段的竞争.这一次的
联系我看到很多东西,他们可以把中等的成绩说成是TOP 1;他们可以
告诉你就申请了五六个学校,其实寄走几十个学校;他们可以把你的
PS, RESUME不动声色的借鉴,美其名曰互相交流,但对自己的材料
却一味推脱没有写完;他们可以把你掏得干干净净,而对自己讳莫如深.

也许着也是一种能力,但是我不具备,我只会通过自己的实力去竞争.
其实他们每一个人的成功对我来说都是一种打击,有一段时间,但是我
后来想通了,那也是一种能力,好象在哪个地方生存都要用到的手段,
花上一年两年的时间学,很正常.也许从中学到的东西可以让我终身收益.

社会就是这么现实.出国在某种程度上早已变质.
标  题: Re: 呵呵这样的OFFER让人好尴尬
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu Mar  2 09:49:26 2000)

所以说中国学生已经成为lemon啦
以前我说过的

【在 yw (xiao feng) 的大作中提到: 】
:  In general, evaluation of applicants from China is difficult
: because almost everyone who applies to our program has very good test
: scores and grades. But our experience has shown that many students from
: China may not be interested in physics, despite what their personal
: statement says; they transfer from physics to other fields or look for
: other schools within a year or two of their arrival. This problem exists
: not just for our department, but for all physics departments in the US.
: Clearly, not every student from China falls into this category, but
: enough students do to severely reduce the chances of new applicants to
: gain acceptance. Therefore, I hope that you will help the
: chances of future applicants by not coming to a graduate program in
: physics unless you fully intend to remain there until you get your
: graduate degree.
: 呵呵UMASS的OFFER
: 一针见血