6.4 1000, pass 全过程

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发信人: ayila (兰塔塔), 信区: Visa      
标  题: 6.4 1000, pass 全过程
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Wed Jun  4 21:00:47 2003), 转信

我的背景：
major：evolutionary biology,
univ.:yale
visao：大概是美男，有头发。不过实在谈不上帅，所以偶也怀疑是八哥。

8：20进场，
前面已经排了好多的人，一直等到快10点才轮到我。 今天开的窗口不少，2－9全开，
大tt在5号，9号是hfmm，3，4号都有头发，3号瘦一点，4号胖一点。拿了浅黄牌，
排在了4号的头一个，但是倒数第二个才上的，所以亲眼目睹了3、4号几乎把前面
的所有的申请者一路全部拒掉。无论是探亲还是做生意还是f1,我这队的f1不多，
但是感觉前面几个探亲和生意人理由都挺充分的，房产证明，户口，这边的店铺的
营业证，。。。统统拒。不过无论是我签的时候，还是看别人签的时候，签证官都
是给申请者时间说话的，不会打断，也看到3号visao心平气和的给一个f1被拒者
advice，告诉她next time应该怎么怎么。

终于轮到我了：
me：good morning sir!
vo: good morning,how r u?
me: fine. &u?
vo: fine. what will u do in us?
me: I will study ecology and evolutionary biology in Yale U.
vo: why not harvard?
me: havard rejected me.
vo: lalalalalala, 关于yale好还是harvard好的评论，没太听懂。you adviosr?
me: ***, he is very famous in this field, do you know him?
vo: no. why yale?
me: because it is very famous, and my advisor excellent.....
vo: how many univ. do you apply？
me：totally 6.
Vo: how many admitted u?
me: only one, yale.
vo: O?
me: because as soon as I received the offer letter from yale at the
    begining of March, I withdrawed some of other application.
vo: why study evolutionary biology?
me: as the biologist dobezasky said: nothing in biology makes sense
    except in the light of evolution. I am interested in this field.
vo: what will you do after graduation?
me: I will come back to the ecology institude in Beijing Normal University.
vo: why you persuit further degree in US?
me: as far as I know, there is no institute about evolutionary
    ecology in China.
vo: How can you come back to work? --There is no institute of
    evolutionary ecology in China.
me: yes, there is not. but I did learn something about evolution in my
    corrent college. Because, the director of ecology institute in BNU,
    Professor *** affect me great, I took his lectures and communicate with him.
    I will come back to develop our institute. would you like to see his
    support letter for me?
vo: no.
me: my plan has two parts, first, I will come back to be a reseacher
    and teacher; second, I will pay attention to the ecosystem of
    my hometown, Inner Mongolia. I edited a booklet about it.
vo: show it to me!
me: 把我昨天作的3页画册给他，里面有desert, pasture，intermediary zone,
    配着简短的解释。
vo: 看了几眼还给我。give me your toefl and GRE.
me: here you are.
vo: 看完了，扔出来。please wait a moment. 拿着我的ds表走了。
3分钟，这时我把我yale advisor 的介绍拿出来。vo回来后，表情轻松，没等偶开口，
就做出要看看的样子。我一边递给他一边解释:
me：this is yale's bulletin for awareding my future advisor Bass professor.
    He is the chair of the department.
vo看完了，开始敲键盘。一边搭腔：he is what?
me: the chair. 少等片刻，继续：I am the only one from Asia, and this program
   takes in only 6 phd students this year.
vo大点其头，一边嗒嗒塔键盘敲个不停。
。。。。。silence
vo：I am pleased to give your visa. have a nice time in US, and xue xi yu kuai!
me: thank you. have a nice day! 等他把护照还给我。
vo: get your passport and i20 in window 10.

总结：
1. 一定要放慢语速，你说得快，vo会说得更快。我犯了一个错误，一上来没注意就
跟着vo跑起来了。这样自己稍有停顿他就当作你说完了，不会再等，紧接着下一个问题。
剩下理由就没机会说了。如果去的不是yale， 结果可能就不一样了。但是据我观察，
一般情况下，vo的节奏不是太快，常会瞪大眼睛，凑近玻璃，来听applicant解释。
2. 自信。这是最重要的。vo每天都要看到几十个人，早就可以察言观色了。自信的姿态
相当于已经挖了一条河，就等vo顺水推舟。人和人之间肯定是可以互相影响的。
3. 多在自己的专业上找些闪光点，毕竟咱f1是出去学习的。其他的都只是参考而已。
4. 回国计划是关键。一个没有特点的plan很难让人信服。其实专业和回国
计划是扯在一起的，多淘淘idea。
5. 签证处管排队的几个同胞倒是态度十分蛮横，情绪别受他们的影响。
6. 偶见到的签过的：2个ssgg（身高绝对有1.80m），1个英语专业的mm，不知到是不是
nnonono? 1个学营养食品的农大ppmm。然后就没有f1模样的了，不知道偶走了以后情况
有没有好转。签过率可能在1/3左右。


好了，想起来再补充吧。
bless!

加菲熊UID: 103463

发信人: DavidRiver (river~~且行且珍惜), 信区: Visa      
标  题: 6.4 1000, pass 全过程[案例分析by David]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Wed Jun  4 21:32:52 2003), 转信

权且分析几个漏洞，呵呵

【 在 ayila (兰塔塔) 的大作中提到: 】
我的背景：
major：evolutionary biology,
univ.:yale
visao：大概是美男，有头发。不过实在谈不上帅，所以偶也怀疑是八哥。

8：20进场，
前面已经排了好多的人，一直等到快10点才轮到我。 今天开的窗口不少，2－9全开，
大tt在5号，9号是hfmm，3，4号都有头发，3号瘦一点，4号胖一点。拿了浅黄牌，
排在了4号的头一个，但是倒数第二个才上的，所以亲眼目睹了3、4号几乎把前面
的所有的申请者一路全部拒掉。无论是探亲还是做生意还是f1,我这队的f1不多，
但是感觉前面几个探亲和生意人理由都挺充分的，房产证明，户口，这边的店铺的
营业证，。。。统统拒。不过无论是我签的时候，还是看别人签的时候，签证官都
是给申请者时间说话的，不会打断，也看到3号visao心平气和的给一个f1被拒者
advice，告诉她next time应该怎么怎么。

终于轮到我了：
me：good morning sir!
vo: good morning,how r u?
me: fine. &u?
vo: fine. what will u do in us?
me: I will study ecology and evolutionary biology in Yale U.
vo: why not harvard?
me: havard rejected me.
vo: lalalalalala, 关于yale好还是harvard好的评论，没太听懂。you adviosr?
me: ***, he is very famous in this field, do you know him?
vo: no. why yale?
me: because it is very famous, and my advisor excellent.....
   这个回答太general，显得学习目的不很明确
vo: how many univ. do you apply？
me：totally 6.
Vo: how many admitted u?
me: only one, yale.
vo: O?
me: because as soon as I received the offer letter from yale at the
    begining of March, I withdrawed some of other application.
vo: why study evolutionary biology?
me: as the biologist dobezasky said: nothing in biology makes sense
    except in the light of evolution. I am interested in this field.
vo: what will you do after graduation?
me: I will come back to the ecology institude in Beijing Normal University.
可以继续延伸，往自己的plan上引
vo: why you persuit further degree in US?
me: as far as I know, there is no institute about evolutionary
    ecology in China.
vo: How can you come back to work? --There is no institute of
    evolutionary ecology in China.
me: yes, there is not. but I did learn something about evolution in my
    corrent college. Because, the director of ecology institute in BNU,
    Professor *** affect me great, I took his lectures and communicate with him.
    I will come back to develop our institute. would you like to see his
    support letter for me?
这一段简直是比较糟糕，前面的那个中国没有Eco Institute和自己的plan回答冲突。
后来给出的归国理由既没有涉及比较有说服力的具体技术，也没有涉及具体规划，而且
有点答非所问。
vo: no.
vo其实已经对你很不满了
me: my plan has two parts, first, I will come back to be a reseacher
    and teacher; second, I will pay attention to the ecosystem of
    my hometown, Inner Mongolia. I edited a booklet about it.
这段话早就该说了。要是vo不给你机会说你也就说不了了。
vo: show it to me!
vo此处对你的这个东东很感兴趣！
me: 把我昨天作的3页画册给他，里面有desert, pasture，intermediary zone,
    配着简短的解释。
vo: 看了几眼还给我。give me your toefl and GRE.
但是看完以后还是比较失望，于是只能把话题往别处引。
me: here you are.
vo: 看完了，扔出来。please wait a moment. 拿着我的ds表走了。
3分钟，这时我把我yale advisor 的介绍拿出来。vo回来后，表情轻松，没等偶开口，
就做出要看看的样子。我一边递给他一边解释:
me：this is yale's bulletin for awareding my future advisor Bass professor.
    He is the chair of the department.
vo看完了，开始敲键盘。一边搭腔：he is what?
me: the chair. 少等片刻，继续：I am the only one from Asia, and this program
   takes in only 6 phd students this year.
vo大点其头，一边嗒嗒塔键盘敲个不停。
你给自己找了个很好的台阶，也给vo找了个很好的放你的台阶。
。。。。。silence
vo：I am pleased to give your visa. have a nice time in US, and xue xi yu kuai!
me: thank you. have a nice day! 等他把护照还给我。
vo: get your passport and i20 in window 10.
一句话：Yale是你致胜最大的法宝。
总结：
1. 一定要放慢语速，你说得快，vo会说得更快。我犯了一个错误，一上来没注意就
跟着vo跑起来了。这样自己稍有停顿他就当作你说完了，不会再等，紧接着下一个问题。
剩下理由就没机会说了。如果去的不是yale， 结果可能就不一样了。但是据我观察，
一般情况下，vo的节奏不是太快，常会瞪大眼睛，凑近玻璃，来听applicant解释。
2. 自信。这是最重要的。vo每天都要看到几十个人，早就可以察言观色了。自信的姿态
相当于已经挖了一条河，就等vo顺水推舟。人和人之间肯定是可以互相影响的。
3. 多在自己的专业上找些闪光点，毕竟咱f1是出去学习的。其他的都只是参考而已。
4. 回国计划是关键。一个没有特点的plan很难让人信服。其实专业和回国
计划是扯在一起的，多淘淘idea。
5. 签证处管排队的几个同胞倒是态度十分蛮横，情绪别受他们的影响。
6. 偶见到的签过的：2个ssgg（身高绝对有1.80m），1个英语专业的mm，不知到是不是
nnonono? 1个学营养食品的农大ppmm。然后就没有f1模样的了，不知道偶走了以后情况
有没有好转。签过率可能在1/3左右。


好了，想起来再补充吧。
bless!
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