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[经典批改讨论] issue110 偶也发storyteller,草稿50多分钟,细致的改了两次!大家砌长城啊! [复制链接]

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发表于 2003-7-26 21:41:33 |只看该作者

偶也发storyteller(issue110),草稿50多分钟,细致的改了两次!大家砌长城啊!

110"When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers."

I wholly agree that the work of studying and exploring history is more of a creative undertaking than an objective pursuit, although some historical affairs can objectively and factually reflect the original situations, which can be well proved. As a result, all historians can not escape the fact that they will inevitably regarded as storytellers more or less.

First and foremost, the materials constituting of the history books and records are somewhat creations contrived by the past historians and collected, compiled and possible distorted by contemporary historians. Some of the materials originated from the folklores or anecdotes, which were passed by generations to generations. True as they might be at first, they are gradually modified, embellished and even misinterpreted. This is why all history books always present us the dominating merits concerning some heroes and personalities and without any words about their shortcomings, one can not go very far to see that some heroic and historical stories are overstated and even wholly falsified; Other materials of history books completely come from the imagination and creation of present-day historians since some valuable and relevant historical materials already disappeared, so it is impossible for historians to reappear some factual history events to today's people, the only means they can employ is to induce and infer them according to those proved fragmentary facts before or after those events.

In addition, no all historians are equipped with abundant knowledge, which includes not only history knowledge but also artistic, linguistic and archaeological knowledge as well, and no all of them are equipped with rich experience about reorganize the history facts. As known to all, to research and explore history needs deep understanding concerning people's artworks, literatures, customs, mores, beliefs, languages in past time, and sometimes needs necessary archaeological knowledge as well to study the artifacts they unearthed, which can give some information to study and prove the authenticity of some history events. Experience is of the tantamount importance. When meeting with a new-discovering history materials and artifacts, seasoned and sophisticated historians can at once judge whether they are authentic or man-made falsehoods, and evaluate their internal value for studying history at first glance. Ironically, many historians lacking of foregoing knowledge and experience are also engaging in studying history, which are responsible for the fact that their work is regarded as only subjective and even storytelling one.

Moreover, historians are inevitably affected by the exterior conditions, their perspectives and opinions have to be subjected to the time and the authority. For one thing, historians only existed in a relatively short span in long historical river, limited by the time and the degree of civilization of their countries, unavoidably, some of their perspectives and ideas turned out to be fallacious and fatuous if inspected by today's criterion. For another, historians also were impacted by the political situations. When making historical records, seldom had historians the courage to disobey the will and power of the potentate, therefore some stories in historical records often involved in such contents as exalting the efficiency of the policies the politicians made, and portraying the savvy and sagacity of the authorities, while those objective fact, if violating the authorities’ interest, can rarely be seen, Based on the above two aspects, we can safely draw a conclusion that historians are storytellers to some extent.

In summary, admittedly some history stories can truly reflect the events to some extent. Nevertheless, historians, no matter in past and today, are in a sense defined as storytellers for the reliability of materials they choose and create, for the limit of knowledge, experience, time and outside political environment.
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唉,速度还是提高不上去啊?morosing...
彩虹MM是怎么练的?每天传上来就disppear,也不交流交流经验。
真是神龙见首不见尾啊。^_^
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发表于 2003-7-26 22:15:00 |只看该作者

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I wholly agree that the work of studying and exploring history is more of a creative undertaking than an objective pursuit, although some historical affairs can objectively and factually reflect the original situations, which can be well proved(后半句怎么有点怪怪的). As a result, all historians can not escape the fact that they will inevitably regarded as storytellers more or less.

First and foremost, the materials constituting(constitution) of the history books and records are somewhat creations contrived by the past historians(historians in the past) and collected, compiled and possible distorted by contemporary historians(这句话还有improve的余地,distort和前两个动词并不平行,后一个historian可以省略). Some of the materials originated from the folklores or anecdotes, which were passed by generations to generations(passed from one generation to the next). True as they might be at first(True as they once were), they are gradually modified, embellished and even misinterpreted. This is why all history books always present us the dominating merits concerning some heroes and personalities and without any words about their shortcomings, (另起一句话)one can not go very far to see that some heroic and historical stories are overstated and even wholly falsified; Other materials of history books completely come from the imagination and creation of present-day historians since some valuable and relevant historical materials already disappeared, so it is impossible for historians to reappear(用reappear表达重现吗?) some factual history events to today's people, the only means they can employ(they can employ =available) is to induce and infer them according to those proved fragmentary facts before or after those events. 用词非常好啊(虽然有的还有待商议),论证也不错

In addition, no all historians are equipped with abundant knowledge, which includes not only history knowledge but also artistic, linguistic and archaeological knowledge as well, and no all of them are equipped with rich experience about reorganize(?) the history facts. As known to all, to research and explore history needs deep understanding concerning people's artworks, literatures, customs, mores, beliefs, languages in past time, and sometimes needs necessary archaeological knowledge as well to study the artifacts they unearthed, which can give some information to study and prove the authenticity of some history events. Experience is of the tantamount importance. When meeting with a new-discovering history materials and artifacts, seasoned and sophisticated historians can at once judge whether they are authentic or man-made falsehoods, and evaluate their internal value for studying history at first glance. Ironically, many historians lacking(还是用who lack吧) of foregoing knowledge and experience are also engaging(engaged) in studying history, which are(is) responsible for the fact that their work (for their works’ being?) is regarded as only subjective and even storytelling one.非常好啊,一下子就展开了,值得学习。开头的论点好像还应该补足一点。

Moreover, historians are inevitably affected by the exterior conditions(circumstances?), (中间不能没有东西啊,前后是两个句子了) their perspectives and opinions have to be subjected (must subject to?)to the time and the authority(the的指代比较虚,用their吧). For one thing, historians only existed in a relatively short span in long historical river(历史长河可不能这么翻,最差的词也是chronicle), limited by the time and the degree of civilization of their countries, unavoidably, some of their perspectives and ideas turned out to be fallacious and fatuous if inspected by today's criterion(那你得先说好那个their是指过去的). For another, historians also were impacted by the political situations. When making historical records, seldom had historians the courage to disobey the will and power of the potentate, therefore some stories in historical records often involved in such contents as exalting the efficiency of the policies the politicians made, and portraying the savvy and sagacity of the authorities, while those objective fact, if violating the authorities’ interest, can rarely be seen, Based on the above two aspects, we can safely draw a conclusion that historians are storytellers to some extent. 好,尤其是用词。

In summary, admittedly some history stories can truly reflect the events to some extent(?). Nevertheless, historians, no matter in past and today, are in a sense defined as storytellers for the reliability of materials they choose and create, for the limit of knowledge, experience, time and outside political environment.
有一种很奇妙的感觉,就是什么都没说似的,没有什么很实在的例子,随手分析分析就很舒服的下来了,牛啊。学习!
50min搞定,太强了。至少5分的。
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发表于 2003-7-26 23:13:08 |只看该作者
谢谢imong 老兄,我打草稿就花了50多分钟啊,在word里又改了好久【包括用词(有的还用了金山词霸)和句式】!也就是说50分钟,我只写了个思路,呵呵。
初稿要是发上来的话,实在是惨不忍睹啊。
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羡慕中……

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发表于 2003-7-27 08:51:19 |只看该作者

不太自卑了
因为我的草稿要是发上来,恐怕大家要吐的3天上不了网了
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发表于 2003-7-27 11:51:38 |只看该作者
no all historians 应是not all

historians, no matter in past and today,应是or,不是and

写得很不错!语言和立意都很好!好处就不多表扬咯:) 说几个不够的地方

1。你把题目中的creative给省略掉了。你全文的中心更像是“历史学家不可能精确地反映、研究历史”,而没有体现出“storyteller”这个味道来。在我看来这是是褒义词。所以你的点,前几段还不错,到最后一段的地方有点偏了。

2。为什么是个creative的work呢?我的理解是,历史学家不但是研究历史细节的学者,而且是阐述历史的哲人。他要做的不仅仅是告诉人们在历史某年某天发生了什么事情,当时的情景如何,他更要做的,是总结出历史的规律。比如汤因比的“历史周期论”,黄仁宇的“数目化管理”等等。这些东西是要穿越几千年的历史细节,甚至古今中外的种种参差对比而提出来的。就像伟大的科学家需要超呼常人的想象力提出新假说一样,真正优秀的历史学家,也需要有睿智的头脑和敏锐的洞悉力,以及imaginative的思想,才能提出这些总结性的东西来。这跟storyteller有什么关系呢?讲故事需要逻辑,而这些历史规律,就好象是主导历史进程的线索。两者之间有很大的类比性。


你这篇文章,有6分范文,那篇文章我非常喜欢。菲儿你可以参照一下:)
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我说人生哪,如果赏过一回痛哭淋漓的风景,写一篇杜鹃啼血的文章,与一个赏心悦目的人错肩,也就够了。不要收藏美、钤印美,让美随风而逝。生命最清醉的时候,是将万里长江视为一匹白绢,裂帛。(简桢)

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paisley斑竹,偶实在是太佩服你了,知识渊博
汤因比的“历史周期论”,黄仁宇的“数目化管理”
,(偶都没有听说过),而且对什么问题都分析的那么深邃。(我把storyteller理解成贬义的了),这些能力是不是大量的阅读造就的?斑竹是学什么专业的?
真是个天才少女!

还有,你说的6分范文是不是在老外280篇里头啊?:)
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发表于 2003-7-27 14:51:37 |只看该作者
我只知道ets的6篇六分范文,哪里还有范文?
我急切想要,指点指点,在哪里?越多越好!

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