issue127，stubborn facts， 偶也试试。请大家指正！

feier521UID: 109747

127"Facts are stubborn things. They cannot be altered by our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions."

To develop my position, the definition of facts must be clearly established at first. When they refer to those objective and self-evident things, I totally agree with the speaker on the assertion that facts can not be altered by our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions. When they mean to those scientific theories, political policies, etc., it is not the case at all.

Believe it or not, some facts are never changed by the exterior strength. They are the truths which have experienced a long-term examination and are labeled as the natural laws or principles. When people are hungry, they must seek out food for their stomachs; Any animal, human included, has to inhale the oxygen and exhale the carbon dioxide everyday; And everyone can not escape the ultimate end, say, death. Water only flows from upside to downside; Sun rises from the east and fall down the west everyday, etc.. Admittedly, all these facts are objective truths that never altered by the subjective wishes, inclinations or emotions, and will continue to maintain their objective in the future.

However, when they refer to scientific theories, facts are often altered with the change of people's perspectives and knowledge level. Some theories that were proved utterly true in the past will be discredited and be demonstrated as incompleteness or even falsehood. Every generation unceasingly explored the unknown in the scientific field, and there necessarily existed some limits, such as cognitive level, scientists’ wishes or inclinations, or the religious oppression etc., that hindered the contemporary scientific development. The former researchers, however, accumulated huge legacies of knowledge and experience. By assimilating and digesting them, present-day scientists and researchers must have their own brand-new perspectives and ideas, some of which may be irrelevant and even totally different to the past outdated theories. The sun-center theory can serve as an apt illustration to this point. In those days, this theory was looked upon as the mere fact, because it was put forward by the Ptolemy and Aristotle who represented the religious authority that controlled people’s wishes and spirits in that time. However, Copernicus challenged and overthrew this theory with his courage and savvy and ultimately established his own theory that the earth and other heaven bodies revolve around the sun, which is proved the truth today. Another case in point is that the Newton's classical mechanics theories, which were deemed as undoubted facts in that time, but later on Einstein proved that they were wrong when it comes to the macroscopic field, or at least they were incomplete.

When it comes to the political field, some facts can also be altered by the wishes or emotions of people, especially the potent. On the one hand, Politicians and legislators are responsible for making wise and diplomatic which require them to make creations and reformations in that the past policies may be unfitted for today's sociopolitical situations. They should also enact, amend and perfect the regulations based on the wishes and wills of the public. Only doing this can they maintain a sagacious government and a stable nation. This is why every government in the world assembles the delegates to discuss and amend the extant laws, regulations and policies annually. On the other hand, politicians and governmental officials often withhold, adulterate and even fabricate some facts from the public based on the personal wills and inclinations in that these facts are related to the national confidentiality, the individual privacy, or even some illegal affairs. Thus, political “facts” often can not keep their original things.

In conclusion, it should be admitted that some basic facts are stubborn things that can never be altered by the outside power, no matter wishes, inclinations, or the passions, but when they refer to some concrete theories and policies in the labile flux, they will be ameliorated and developed by people’s knowledge level, or even forged by people’s wishes and inclinations.

这一篇，偶自己改了好久好久，越改越长，大家不要看的太辛苦哦。：）

imongUID: 140258

对fact进行界定是肯定要做的，只不过我怎么不太懂你的界定啊（when it comes to scientific facts they are easily altered?）是不是我误解了？

我觉得fact和truth是有一定联系的。能够proven true的客观东西当然是不能改变，但是当fact不是那种科学实验之类的东西的时候，人们往往可以根据自己的意愿来创造或改造fact. 例如Discontent lead to reform之类的。

我感觉你不像是在说fact，而是在说interpretation of facts，第二段里。

feier521UID: 109747

我想说：

facts 如果指一些自然规律，法则时，他们是不可以改变的。
当指科学理论，有时是可以被改变的。因为很多理论以前被认为是正确的facts，但是后来被证明是谬误的。
指政策时，也可被will改变 1 政治家对政策的改革和创新 2 有时，伪造事实facts

可能我把facts 理解的太单纯了？你写的话，会如何列提纲？

GcanadaUID: 118286

是的,imong你写的话,你会如何列提纲?
列一下!好吗?谢谢

qhywUID: 136716

我也写过这篇文章，不过早被淹没了
和你的相比我的不知道要差多少，无论从逻辑，用词等方面！
我的观点有两点和你的相同，即科学理论方面的事实可以改变
                           自然规律不可变
除此之外我写了一点人们对同一事实的看法。主观和悲观的角度，看法不同，同一事实理解不同，处理方式不同，结果不同。
https://bbs.gter.net:8080/bbs/sho ... 29907。愿多多讨论！

feier521UID: 109747

qhyw MM 真是过奖了，你要是花那么长的时间写和改的话，肯定写的比我好！
偶去看看你的那篇，qhyw 你什么时候考啊?
偶真的压力很大啊，还是不能限时啊

feier521UID: 109747

呀！在一看看我的文章，我发现第三段跑题的嫌疑啊：However, when they refer to scientific theories, facts are often altered with the change of people's perspectives and knowledge level.
这和wishes， inclinations 和passions 没有关系啊。

木耳UID: 123036

指代不清?
In those days, this theory was looked upon as the mere fact, because it was put forward by the Ptolemy and Aristotle who represented the religious authority that controlled people’s wishes and spirits in that time
feire521 同学好像没有说明this theory 是什么theoy.我开始看时以为是
sun-center theory,可后面说是Ptolemy 和Aristotle的观点，才知道应该是earth-center theoy.

feier521UID: 109747

呀，写错了The sun-center theory can serve as an apt illustration to this point.，改为earth-center theory，谢谢！

木耳UID: 123036

呵呵，不客气。其实这篇文章写得很不错。
有空改改我的

qhywUID: 136716

我9.10好考。也没限时，郁闷ing!
你呢,什么时候考？
愿共同进步！

feier521UID: 109747

偶前你一天。呵呵，规定时间也是写不完。
好，共同进步！
你的文章我昨晚给你看了，晕晕的，不知改的对否？

qhywUID: 136716

我刚刚看过一下，改的非常好
指出了我很多的毛病特别是语法方面的，以后得多多注意了。

再次感谢！