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pinoirUID: 3437288

如果是香港案例，可以到：
http://www.hklii.hk/eng/

如果是英国案例，可以到：
http://www.bailii.org/

找不到再回来问。

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wyplaw 发表于 2013-6-6 01:19
请教前辈，两本书是否选一本即可？我已经找到第一本。如何去找到书中有关案例的完整判词呢？谢谢

”如何去找到书中有关案例的完整判词呢？“

这个看判例没有特殊训练，一般是看不懂的，还是先搞点基本东西，不要太急了。

最多开始看点香港Legal System这样的Primer，和Learning Legal Rules [Paperback]
James Holland (Author), Julian Webb (Author) 这样的书。看判例不容易懂，并且没接触和被指导过，还真可能看不懂。

http://www.amazon.com/Learning-L ... 70475677&sr=1-1

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pinoir 发表于 2013-6-5 13:44
看看这段Lord Denning在Miller v Jackson开头写的著名判词，简直有点散文的感觉：
“In summertime vill ...

这种判决写作都是persuasive writing，很有技巧，都是set the stage for laying out his views as to how the legal rules should be interpreted in light of this factual matrix

In summertime village cricket is the delight of everyone. Nearly every village has its own cricket field where the young men play and the old men watch. In the village of Lintz in County Durham they have their own ground, where they have played these last seventy years. They tend it well. The wicket area is well rolled and mown. The outfield is kept short. It has a good club-house for the players and seats for the onlookers. The village team play there on Saturdays and Sundays. They belong to a league, competing with the neighbouring villages. On other evenings after work they practice while the light lasts. Yet now after these 70 years a Judge of the High Court has ordered that they must not play there anymore, lie has issued an injunction to stop them. He has done it at the instance of a newcomer who is no lover of cricket. This newcomer has built, or has had built for him, a house on the edge of the cricket ground which four years ago was a field where cattle grazed. The animals did not mind the cricket. But now this adjoining field has been turned into a housing estate. The newcomer bought one of the houses on the edge of the cricket ground. No doubt the open space was a selling point. Now he complains that, when a batsman hits a six, the ball has been known to land in his garden or on or near his house. His wife has got so upset about it that they always go out at weekends. They do not go into the garden when cricket is being played. They say that this is intolerable. So they asked the Judge to stop the cricket being played. And the Judge, I am sorry to say, feels that the cricket must be stopped: with the consequences, I suppose, that the Lintz cricket-club will disappear. The cricket ground will be turned to some other use. I expect for more houses or a factory. The young men will turn to other things instead of cricket. The whole village will be much the poorer. And all this because of a newcomer who has just bought a house there next to the cricket ground.

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pinoir 发表于 2013-6-6 03:38
如果是香港案例，可以到：
http://www.hklii.hk/eng/

灰常感谢pinoir

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50cents 发表于 2013-6-6 07:45
”如何去找到书中有关案例的完整判词呢？“

这个看判例没有特殊训练，一般是看不懂的，还是先搞点基本 ...

灰常感谢:p

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50cents 发表于 2013-6-6 07:45
”如何去找到书中有关案例的完整判词呢？“

这个看判例没有特殊训练，一般是看不懂的，还是先搞点基本 ...

其实还好，学校也没怎么提供特殊训练（我那些civil law出身的童鞋还经常抱怨没人教呢）。大一legal method的课是有，但印象中如何读案例这回事，不过就是叫你回家读几个，回来上课讨论一节课就完了，到底教了些啥，我都记不得了。

多读读，再对照课本论文什么的，就慢慢会知道那段是重要的（ratio），那些是可以跳过的。

Legal system这类的书是有帮助的，但看一、两本就好（甚至仅作为工具书，看案例看到那不懂了，再去看看也行）。

重点是要多看和愿意看原始判词（有许多人直到毕业也只看过headnote，而从没从头到尾看过一个完整案例的），成绩高低的分别有时就在这。（当然我们不可能所有案例都把它看一遍，但等你学会那些案例该看，那些可以跳者看，那些完全不必看，你已经到另一个境界了。）

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pinoir 发表于 2013-6-6 11:09
其实还好，学校也没怎么提供特殊训练（我那些civil law出身的童鞋还经常抱怨没人教呢）。大一legal met ...

“其实还好，学校也没怎么提供特殊训练'

这个问题很现实，本末倒置挺厉害。不合格老师还真实挺多的，可能要看读的学校和课程。

我个人感觉，读判决是个重要技巧，是否能遇到适合老师和材料很重要。判决非常长， 判决不会告诉你,hear,hear,  here it comes "ratio decidendi", hear, hear, here it comes ‘obiter dictum”

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pinoir 发表于 2013-6-6 11:09
其实还好，学校也没怎么提供特殊训练（我那些civil law出身的童鞋还经常抱怨没人教呢）。大一legal met ...

的确如此。虽然我现在只是在读会计 上一些law的选修课

老师给的ppt的摘要根本不够，有时候让人看得前言不搭后语。

甚至有时候textbook里面的论述也不够完整

今天用了你给的case网站看了Tse Fook Choy的完整case 终于理解它是咋回事了。。

赞一个。

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Eksei 发表于 2013-6-6 11:18
的确如此。虽然我现在只是在读会计 上一些law的选修课

老师给的ppt的摘要根本不够，有时候让人看得前言 ...

"今天用了你给的case网站看了Tse Fook Choy的完整case 终于理解它是咋回事了。"

你这一看就理解了，那是很强很强了。

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50cents 发表于 2013-6-6 11:19
"今天用了你给的case网站看了Tse Fook Choy的完整case 终于理解它是咋回事了。"

你这一看就理解了，那 ...

因为一直很困惑这个case又Google不到判决书

judiciary网站也搜不到

之前也去发邮件问过老师 但是他没怎么解释清楚

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Eksei 发表于 2013-6-6 11:33
因为一直很困惑这个case又Google不到判决书

judiciary网站也搜不到

judiciary的判例库肯定有啊

http://legalref.judiciary.gov.hk ... U&isadvsearch=1

是这个吗？

HCMP2596/1998                 Date: 12/02/1999
     View the matches        
TSE FOOK CHOY, JOEY CALLAN v. KWONG ON BANK LTD.

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50cents 发表于 2013-6-6 11:19
"今天用了你给的case网站看了Tse Fook Choy的完整case 终于理解它是咋回事了。"

你这一看就理解了，那 ...

哈哈哈

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阿泰 发表于 2013-6-6 11:36
哈哈哈

呵呵呵

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50cents 发表于 2013-6-6 11:19
"今天用了你给的case网站看了Tse Fook Choy的完整case 终于理解它是咋回事了。"

你这一看就理解了，那 ...

话说血法律的都是这么犀利吗:L

薄脸皮学法律估计得玻璃心碎死:dizzy: