Issue167 我的第一篇，有中文提纲，望指教！

utarUID: 83869

167.”It is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Complete honesty is not a useful virtue for a politician.”
Outline：
政治家说实话问题，基本同意，
1、人无完人，Ts：没有绝对诚实的人，不管是不是政治家，都不可能做到complete honest。
2、什么是政治，怎么做一个政治家，政治很多时候都是为了国家或集团利益服务的，leader有时候为了利益不得不撒谎，基本上每一个政府都有不愿意让民众知道的事情。政治家说实话对自己的道德付了责任(morality)，可是却是对于所代表的集体的不负责任(benefit of the group)。Ts：为了集体利益不得不撒谎。
3、每一个成功的政治家都不可能是完全诚实的，他们都是要不断撒谎，只是不会公之于众，让民众看见罢了。他们不会公开对民众撒谎，可是背后却谎言不断。Ts：为了个人前途发展不得不撒谎。
4、对于政治家来说有的时候说实话仍然是必须的，为了维护一个良好的民众中的形象，赢得信任。Ts：多数政治家的honesty只是表面现象，为了欺骗民众。
5、尽管如此，Ts：我们仍然希望政治家们能够尽量的对我们保持诚实，不要隐瞒真相，否则可能会造成严重后果。Sample: SARS.
6、总的来说，没有不说谎的政治家，不然就不能称之为政治家。

Agree:

Many people accuse political leaders of their dishonesty to the populace. But in my opinion, if a politician holds the principle of telling the truth all along, he/she can hardly succeed in the political arena. In other words, it is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time.

First of all, politicians are also human beings. As long as they are human beings, they can hardly maintain complete honesty all the time. As an adult, nearly every one of us has the experience of lying to the others. No matter whom we lied to, if we did, even only once, we are no longer complete honest because there is a flaw in our life. So it is unfair to force politicians to be honest all the time.

Secondly, political leaders have to be dishonest sometimes, for the benefit of the group they lead. What is politics? How to become an effective political leader? They are questions difficult to answer. But as far as I am concerned, a political leader’s innate duty is to obtain as much benefit as possible for the group or party or even the whole nation he/she represents. So that in most situation, if he/she can gain more benefit for his/her group by just telling a lie, he/she would choose to lie or cheat with little hesitation. A politician may cheat in some kinds of competitions or lie to the others, including the other politicians and even the populace. But this is not a problem of the politician’s morality, this is politics. The politician merely does his/her duty.

The third reason politicians have to lie or cheat is for surviving the cruel competition in the political arena as individuals. As we all know, politics is full of lies and cheat. If you tell the truth all the time while the others keep cheating you, you will be in a very unfavorable position when you compete with others. On this way, you can hardly succeed as a politician. Even more, if you are the leader of a group, you may lead your group to failure.

Some people may argue that they met some both honest and effective politicians. But who knows if these politicians are really complete honest or they just behave as if they are honest? Maybe they showed you their honesty but disguised their dishonesty to win you over to their side, so that you would give them a hand in elections. This is only a strategy for politicians, but indeed, they are cheating you to win your trust.

However, as an individual in the society, I still strongly hope political leaders to be honest as possible as they can, because sometimes their dishonesty may cause disastrous effects even though their aim is favorable. We can take the spread of SARS in China as an example. In this incident, Chinese government disguised the fact that SARS is extremely dangerous to human in order to protect the economy of China. This manner leads to the speedy spread of SARS all around China and blocked the economic development. The purpose is unquestionable but the result is out of their anticipation.

In a word, for all kinds of reasons, political leaders can hardly tell the truth all the time, though their honesty is anticipated by the common people.[/SIZE]

ILwiN_WhuTUID: 143305

But in my opinion, if a politician holds the principle of telling the truth all along, 改为：In my view about this ,however,once the principle of telling the thruth is hold by a politician.........少用in my opinion.

utarUID: 83869

哦，谢了！
但为什么要少用in my opinion 呢，而要改成别的呢？

还有，不知道有谁能提供一些相关的英文例子呢，写的时候发现很难写例子，不是想不到就是不会写。

谢谢谢谢谢谢了！

crusadeUID: 149710

不好意思,没有什么时间,所以没细看,知扫了一眼
别的不说, 我一眼看上去就全是you的, 真是犯了大忌
issue不能有这么主观性强甚至带命令色彩的词.
我看到现在,没有那篇好的文章里带you的
英文不比中文, 这个you可不是泛指呃

utarUID: 83869

那不用you应该用什么呢？
或者说应该用什么人称比较好呢？
还望指教！

小猪猪~~UID: 155090

应该用第三人称的

小猪猪~~UID: 155090

最初由 utar 发布
[B]Outline：
政治家说实话问题，基本同意，
1、人无完人，Ts：没有绝对诚实的人，不管是不是政治家，都不可能做到complete honest。
2、什么是政治，怎么做一个政治家，政治很多时候都是为了国家或集团利益服务的，leader有时候为了利益不得不撒谎，基本上每一个政府都有不愿意让民众知道的事情。政治家说实话对自己的道德付了责任(morality)，可是却是对于所代表的集体的不负责任(benefit of the group)。Ts：为了集体利益不得不撒谎。
3、每一个成功的政治家都不可能是完全诚实的，他们都是要不断撒谎，只是不会公之于众，让民众看见罢了。他们不会公开对民众撒谎，可是背后却谎言不断。Ts：为了个人前途发展不得不撒谎。
4、对于政治家来说有的时候说实话仍然是必须的，为了维护一个良好的民众中的形象，赢得信任。Ts：多数政治家的honesty只是表面现象，为了欺骗民众。
5、尽管如此，Ts：我们仍然希望政治家们能够尽量的对我们保持诚实，不要隐瞒真相，否则可能会造成严重后果。Sample: SARS.
6、总的来说，没有不说谎的政治家，不然就不能称之为政治家。

首先就提纲来说,觉得点太多了,有3+1个点,我看了一下文章觉得每个点说的都不很透彻
Agree:

Many people accuse political leaders of their dishonesty to the populace. But in my opinion, if a politician holds the principle of telling the truth all along, he/she can hardly succeed in the political arena. In other words, it is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time.

First of all, politicians are also 用的不合适,觉得应该去掉human beings. As long as 应该是because吧they are human beings, they can hardly maintain complete honesty all the time. As an adult, nearly every one of us has the experience of lying to the others. No matter whom we lied to, if we did, even only once, we are no longer complete honest because there is a flaw in our life. So it is unfair to force politicians to be honest all the time.

Secondly, political leaders have to be dishonest sometimes, for the benefit of the group they lead. What is politics? How to become an effective political leader? They are questions difficult to answer. But as far as I am concerned, a political leader’s innate duty is to obtain as much benefit as possible for the group or party or even the whole nation he/she represents. So that in most situation, if he/she can gain more benefit for his/her group by just telling a lie, he/she would 是不是应该是should,我也不太确定choose to lie or cheat with little hesitation. A politician may cheat in some kinds of competitions or lie to the others, including the other politicians and even the populace. But this(?it,后面那个也是) is not a problem of the politician’s morality, this is politics. The politician merely does his/her duty.

The third reason politicians have to lie or cheat is for surviving the cruel competition in the political arena as individuals. As we all know, politics is full of lies and cheat. If you tell the truth all the time while the others keep cheating you, you will be in a very unfavorable position when you compete with others. On this way, you can hardly succeed as a politician. Even more, if you are the leader of a group, you may lead your group to failure. 觉得可以和前面一段和着写

Some people may argue that they met some both honest and effective politicians. But who knows if these politicians are really complete honest or they just behave as if they are honest? Maybe they showed you their honesty but disguised their dishonesty to win you over to their side, so that you would give them a hand in elections. This is only a strategy for politicians, but indeed, they are cheating you to win your trust.

However, as an individual in the society, I still strongly hope political leaders to be honest as possible as they can, because sometimes their dishonesty may cause disastrous effects even though their aim is favorable. We can take the spread of SARS in China as an example. In this incident, Chinese government disguised the fact that SARS is extremely dangerous to human in order to protect the economy of China. This manner leads to the speedy spread of SARS all around China and blocked the economic development. The purpose is unquestionable but the result is out of their anticipation.不知道加了这一段会有跑题的感觉,大家说说看,不过例子要赞一下

In a word, for all kinds of reasons, political leaders can hardly tell the truth all the time, though their honesty is anticipated by the common people.

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