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xqmelissaUID: 140370

Issue 139
Every new generation needs to redefine 'right' and 'wrong' in its own terms and according to the conditions of its own time.
每一个新生代都需要根据他们自己的时代重新定义“对”和“错”。


Every person has their own ideas, according to the situation of their epoch. These ideas often change with the development of the society. The criterion of the definition about “right” and “wrong” also has different understanding in different ages. Consequently, people in different epoch should redefine “right” and ”wrong” by the conditions of their own ages.

There are no absolute right and wrong in the world. The definition of the “right” and “wrong” from general understandings of values and the reality of the world is limited by specific conditions of the era. With the updating comprehensions of the world and the development of the societal status, criteria and the definition always alter. Therefore, it is inevitable to obtain different explanations about the right and wrong. The evolution of economic theories could illustrate this clearly. The Keynesianism, as a mainstream theory after the Great Depression in 1930’s, emphasizes the importance of expanding the valid demand. During the time of absent valid demand, this theory worked efficiently and was considered as “right” in that times. However, in the 1970’s, the situation changed, the shortage in the world’s economy was not the demand but the supply, resulting in this theory outdated and “wrong”. The supply school, a theory advocating reducing taxes, leads the American economy to get rid of the stagflation and becomes the theory basis for American government in 1980’s. Although this theory might be considered as “wrong” in 1930’s, it is redefined to be “right” in new times.

The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the regular redefinition of “right” and “wrong”. Take Renaissance, happened from fourteen century to seventeen century in Europe, for an example. As we know, the belief that people are governed by God was an adamantine view being deemed as this “right” before this transitional movement. It is Renaissance that accelerates the idea to a new one that people is the focus in the world. What is more, it is the beginning of Europe adopting the new ideology and getting ahead of the East which was still persisting with the old ideology. Hence, some ideas which were considered as “right” in old times sometimes could turn into the cause as impediments for social advancement. Only if people break through these obstacles, in another word, amending the “right” in old times to the “right” in new ages, society could make a progress.

Although it is important to give new explanations about “right” and “wrong” in new times, we could not ignore that new generations should use the old “right” as references, and gain their new “right” by revising old ones. As one theory in philosophy, the essence of things is not altered with the change of ages, indicating that the old “right” sometimes is not absolutely wrong, but only need to be revised. For instance, Constitution of the United States, passed in 1787, has a regulation that the Indians and slaves representing thirty-five percent of population did not have equal political rights. This regulation seemed as “right” in that times since it truly maintained peaceful in America. However, with the rethinking about the racialism and assimilating some advantages from the Bill of Right, the Supreme Court prohibited all forms of racialism, as the new “right” standard nowadays.

To sum up, with the development of the societal status, new generation should redefine “right” and “wrong”, on the basis of revising other than totally discarding, which will promote the social progress. (575 words)


从开始构思到动笔，就整整半天功夫，看了一些别人的提纲和成文，总觉得有点跑题，大都是从“时代特征”往外引的，而我认为题眼在redifine上，所以写了这篇文章，大家帮我看看吧，多多提意见呦！

九月爱上乒乓球UID: 151821

Every person has their own ideas, according to the situation of their epoch. These ideas often change with the development of the society. The criterion of the definition about “right” and “wrong” also has different understanding in different ages. Consequently, people in different epoch should redefine “right” and ”wrong” by the conditions of their own ages.(探讨: 开头是不是绕了一点 直接回应主题)

There are no absolute right and wrong in the world. The definition of the “right” and “wrong” from general understandings of values and the reality of the world is limited by specific conditions of the era. With the updating comprehensions of the world and the development of the societal status, criteria and the definition always alter. Therefore, it is inevitable to obtain different explanations about the right and wrong. The evolution of economic theories could illustrate this clearly. The Keynesianism, as a mainstream theory after the Great Depression in 1930’s, emphasizes the importance of expanding the valid demand. During the time of absent valid demand, this theory worked efficiently and was considered as “right” in that times. However, in the 1970’s, the situation changed, the shortage in the world’s economy was not the demand but the supply, resulting in this theory outdated and “wrong”. The supply school, a theory advocating reducing taxes, leads the American economy to get rid of the stagflation and becomes the theory basis for American government in 1980’s. Although this theory might be considered as “wrong” in 1930’s, it is redefined to be “right” in new times.(如果限时的话,你能够花122个字去讲述一个例子吗?应当简洁)

The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the regular redefinition of “right” and “wrong”. Take Renaissance, happened from fourteen century to seventeen century in Europe, for an example. As we know, the belief that people are governed by God was an adamantine view being deemed as this “right” before this transitional movement. It is Renaissance that accelerates the idea to a new one that people is the focus in the world. What is more, it is the beginning of Europe adopting the new ideology and getting ahead of the East which was still persisting with the old ideology. Hence, some ideas which were considered as “right” in old times sometimes could turn into the cause as impediments for social advancement. Only if people break through these obstacles, in another word, amending the “right” in old times to the “right” in new ages, society could make a progress.(通过你的ts,应该去强调 社会如何被redefinition所促进)

Although it is important to give new explanations about “right” and “wrong” in new times, we could not ignore that new generations should use the old “right” as references, and gain their new “right” by revising old ones. As one theory in philosophy, the essence of things is not altered with the change of ages, indicating that the old “right” sometimes is not absolutely wrong, but only need to be revised. For instance, Constitution of the United States, passed in 1787, has a regulation that the Indians and slaves representing thirty-five percent of population did not have equal political rights. This regulation seemed as “right” in that times since it truly maintained peaceful in America. However, with the rethinking about the racialism and assimilating some advantages from the Bill of Right, the Supreme Court prohibited all forms of racialism, as the new “right” standard nowadays.

To sum up, with the development of the societal status, new generation should redefine “right” and “wrong”, on the basis of revising other than totally discarding, which will promote the social progress.(好象这才应该是你的ts)

这是你的意思吧:
1 不同的时代 错和对有不同的定义(必要条件)
2  时代被这些重新定义所推动(充分条件)
3 新生代应该借鉴过去总结现在(根据你的ts 这是延伸性的内容)
第一二段的逻辑关系应当被强调 例子挺好的 叙述起来还应当斟酌
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sniper613UID: 147372

Issue 139
Every new generation needs to redefine 'right' and 'wrong' in its own terms and according to the conditions of its own time.
每一个新生代都需要根据他们自己的时代重新定义“对”和“错”。


Every person has their own ideas, according to the situation of their epoch. These ideas often change with the development of the society. The criterion of the definition about “right” and “wrong” also has different understanding in different ages. Consequently, people in different epoch should redefine “right” and ”wrong” by the conditions of their own ages.

There are no absolute right and wrong in the world. The definition of the “right” and “wrong” from general understandings of values and the reality of the world is limited by specific conditions of the era. With the updating comprehensions of the world and the development of the societal status, criteria and the definition always alter. Therefore, it is inevitable to obtain different explanations about the right and wrong. The evolution of economic theories could illustrate this clearly. The Keynesianism, as a mainstream theory after the Great Depression in 1930’s, emphasizes the importance of expanding the valid demand. During the time of absent valid demand, this theory worked efficiently and was considered as “right” in that times(time). However, in the 1970’s, the situation changed, the shortage in the world’s economy was not the demand but the supply, resulting in this theory outdated and “wrong”. The supply school, a theory advocating reducing taxes, leads the American economy to get rid of the stagflation and becomes the theory basis for American government in 1980’s. Although this theory might be considered as “wrong” in 1930’s, it is redefined to be “right” in new times.(差一句总结的话，就是TS)

The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the regular redefinition of “right” and “wrong”. Take Renaissance, happened from fourteen century to seventeen century in Europe, for an example. As we know, the belief that people are governed by God was an adamantine view being deemed as this “right” before this transitional movement. It is Renaissance that accelerates the idea to a new one that people is the focus in the world(文艺复兴好像不是要推翻God吧，是反对教会). What is more, it is the beginning of Europe adopting the new ideology and getting ahead of the East which was still persisting with the old ideology. Hence（Therefore, hence是英式英语）, some ideas which were considered as “right” in old times sometimes could turn into the cause as impediments for social advancement. Only if people break through these obstacles, in another word, amending the “right” in old times to the “right” in new ages, society could make a progress.

Although it is important to give new explanations about “right” and “wrong” in new times, we could not ignore that new generations should use the old “right” as references, and gain their new “right” by revising old ones. As one theory in philosophy, the essence of things is not altered with the change of ages, indicating that the old “right” sometimes is not absolutely wrong, but only need to be revised. For instance, Constitution of the United States, passed in 1787, has a regulation that the Indians and slaves representing thirty-five percent of population did not have equal political rights. This regulation seemed as “right” in that times since it truly maintained peaceful in America. However, with the rethinking about the racialism and assimilating some advantages from the Bill of Right, the Supreme Court prohibited all forms of racialism, as the new “right” standard nowadays. （总结？）

To sum up, with the development of the societal status, new generation should redefine “right” and “wrong”, on the basis of revising other than totally discarding, which will promote the social progress. (575 words)

写得很好，论述很清晰，很有条理性，注意一下段落的结构就行了

imongUID: 140258

付出必然有回报，看到了吧？:)

Every person has their own ideas,（单复数？） according to the situation of their epoch. These ideas often change with the development of the society. The criterion of （for，体会一下介词内在的意思就不会用错了）the definition about “right” and “wrong” also has different understanding in different ages. Consequently, people in different epoch should redefine “right” and ”wrong” by the conditions of their own ages.

第一段right and wrong的词性是不是考虑考虑怎么写？
第一段主要说right and wrong总在变化，所以需要redefine。还可以。

第二段：
regular ？redefinition

happened from 不是吧-_-| take place啊

It is Renaissance that accelerates？ the idea to a new one that people is the focus ？in the world.
第二段说redefine促进发展，但是是不是偏题了？如果说从促进发展上面考虑需要（need）进行redefine就好得多，如果能够分析如果不redefine就很糟糕从而分析necessity（need）就更扣题。体会一下差别？其实就差这一点的功夫。

第三段就未免说得更远了点儿。所要表达的意思也和上面差不太多。看看三个TS彼此一比较，感觉第三段的TS未免差了一截儿。

第一第二段要向题目中心强化，第三段实在不行还不如删掉。

比以前进步不少。至少例子方面好了一大块。当然自己注意着点，写例子不是讲故事。（这次是无则加勉:)）

utarUID: 83869

感觉你全文大部分笔墨都在举例子上了，三个论点，每段一个例子，可是利用这些例子的论证部分不够啊，而且三个例子性质完全相同，都是说对与错随着时间在变，与分论点联系不够紧密，第四段重点在说要revise上，可是没有说清楚为什么，只是举了个例子，不够convincing啊。
我根据你最活一段中的一句草写了个提纲，见笑了。

最初由 xqmelissa 发布
[B]on the basis of revising other than totally discarding[/B]

Issue139
Every new generation needs to redefine 'right' and 'wrong' in its own terms and according to the conditions of its own time.

TS：我们要根据时间和外界环境adjust our understanding on 'right' and 'wrong' instead of redefining them in new terms.
1、随着时间和环境的改变，人们的思想和对世界的看法也在不断改变。'right' and 'wrong'只是人们对于事物的一个评判标准，当然也会变。（例）唐朝以肥为美，现在则不然。原来中国妇女以裹脚(foot-binding)为理所当然的事，现在则认为是一种对妇女的maltreatment。
2、但是，这种改变不可能是abruptly，而是有一个gradually change的过程，这种common understand of 'right' and 'wrong'从一个situation到another的改变hardly在一代人中完成，因为它涉及到很多人。The gradualness of change决定了我们应该做的是adjust而不是redefine。（例）上面美和裹脚的看法也是经过了几百年才改变的
3、由于没有absolute对错，也就没有unique defenitions of them，即使是同一个generation，也可能有不同的理解。所以新一代必须首先了解原来的或上一代对于对错的看法，再结合当前社会环境等因素得到一个自己的理解，经过不断调整最终得到一个自己的不同于他人的理解。而不是完全的redefine。
SUM UP。

feier521UID: 109747

Every person has their own ideas, according to the situation of their epoch（every person的代词是his or her，另外我觉得epoch 表示新时代的意思。）. These ideas often change with the development of the society. The criterion of the definition about “right” and “wrong” also has different understanding in different ages. Consequently, people in different epoch should redefine “right” and ”wrong” by the conditions of their own ages.

There are no absolute right and wrong in the world. The definition of (the) “right” and “wrong” from general understandings of values and (the reality of the world什么意思？客观世界) is limited by specific conditions of the era. With the updating comprehensions of the world and the development of the societal status（social development不就行了，还罗索这么多，:)还有the 太多了！）, criteria and the definition always alter. Therefore, it is inevitable to obtain different explanations about （the） right and wrong. The evolution of economic theories could illustrate this clearly. The Keynesianism, （as去掉） a mainstream theory after the Great Depression in 1930’s, emphasizes （时态）the importance of expanding the valid demand. During the time of absent valid demand, this theory worked efficiently and was considered as “right” in that times（time）. However, in the 1970’s, the situation changed, the shortage in the world’s economy was not the demand but the supply, resulting in this theory outdated and “wrong”. The supply school, a theory advocating reducing taxes, leads （时态！）the American economy to get rid of the stagflation and （becomes） the theory basis for American government in 1980’s. Although this theory might be considered as “wrong” in 1930’s, it （is） redefined to be “right” in new times.（这段写的不错。例子用的可以啊，用上本专业的知识了呢，句式和用词也不错。）

The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the regular redefinition of “right” and “wrong”. Take Renaissance, happened from fourteen century to seventeen century in Europe, for an example. As we know, the belief that people are governed by God was an adamantine view being deemed as this “right” before this transitional movement. It is Renaissance that accelerates（加速idea？） the idea to a new one that people is（are） the focus in the world. What is more, it is the beginning of Europe adopting the new ideology and getting ahead of the East which was still persisting with the old ideology（这句没看懂，采用新的ideology为什么still persist with old ideology？？）. Hence, some ideas which were considered as “right” in old times sometimes could turn into （the cause as删掉是不是好点） impediments for social advancement. Only if people break through these obstacles, in another word, amending（amend） the “right” in old times to the “right” in new ages, society could (倒装could society)make a progress.

Although it is important to give new explanations about “right” and “wrong” in new times, we could not ignore that new generations should use the old “right” as references, and gain their new “right” by revising old ones. As one theory in philosophy, the essence of things is not altered with the change of ages, indicating that the old “right” sometimes is not absolutely wrong, but only need to be revised. For instance, Constitution of the United States, passed in 1787, has（时态） a regulation that the Indians and slaves representing thirty-five percent of population did not have equal political rights. This regulation seemed as “right” in that times since it truly maintained peaceful in America. However, with the rethinking about the racialism and assimilating some advantages from the Bill of Right, the Supreme Court prohibited all forms of racialism, as the new “right” standard nowadays.

To sum up, with the development of the societal status, （怎么老爱用这句？中文什么意思？）new generation should redefine “right” and “wrong”, on the basis of revising other than totally discarding, which will promote the social progress. (575 words)


呵呵，还说没有人给你改，都5个了，
确实是进步不少！用词和句式都不错。
第三段说revise ... 感觉和第一段有点重复。

paisleyUID: 64183

redifine这个想法是好的，可以这样理解：世界上有一些亘古不变的东西，或者至少在精神价值上可能永远不能齐及但是应该“仰望”的东西。（不过你的开头好象说没有绝对对和绝对错的东西，那我就ft了）这些精神价值和理念可以作为人类的“内核”，在内核之外是“保护带”，在保护带之外是一些浮面的表现，或者最浅层次的价值。redifine的通常只是“浮面”的，而有时候经历大变革时（如文艺复兴）会冲击到保护带，但是对内核是冲击不到的。或者说，通过redifine，人们再逐步深入地认识这个“内核”。比如在文艺复兴之前并不是没有人文这个终极的价值，只是人们的心灵还比较蒙昧，没有认识到它而已。

我建议你构建几个你自己的关键词体现你的观点。比如内核可以是core beliefs/ethics，你也可以采取自己的词汇。

xqmelissaUID: 140370

啊，好感动啊！
这么多牛人给我回复！
感谢感谢！
深深bow一下下！嘿嘿
:D  :D  :D

先把意见COPY下来，好好研究一下，晚上继续过来讨论啊

BTW：昨天搜索了一下，这个题目好象只有一个人写过，不过还跑题了，看了两个提纲，都觉得还是跑了，所以花了N长时间琢磨自认为很难的这个题目
希望大家也多多发表对这个题目的想法，一起讨论讨论开阔一下思路吧！

我想通过这个题目的审题，也可以让我们学到一些如何抓住题目关键字的方法的，我先总结一下，然后发上来

大家踊跃发言呦
:p

gangstaUID: 141790

收益非浅：）
为什么我的例子就这么少呢？

吭哧吭哧啃啃UID: 153580

为什么我的例子就这么少呢？

有同感
paisleyJJ是学什么的啊,IDEA好深奥啊

catcat000UID: 141317

xqmelissa，我来啦~~^^  
你写的比我的好好多啊，学习学习……
发表一点我的拙见先：
首先，我觉得你的用词不错哦，向你学习~！

然后，就是你用了一些比较复杂的句子，比如，
“ What is more, it is the beginning of Europe adopting the new ideology and getting ahead of the East which was still persisting with the old ideology.”这句读起来有点不顺，你的意思是不是说从文艺xx开始，欧洲adopt 了新的ideology之后，就比没有XX的东方要先进了？那你不如说欧洲比东方的先进是从文艺复兴开始的，或者说文艺复兴带来了欧洲相对于东方的先进性，感觉好一点……呵呵个人意见哦。其实我自己是喜欢写不知是什么东西的长句……
然后就是我觉得你BODY的第二段是说新的对或错带来了社会的发展，可是，题目的关键应该是在应该redefine上，而不是redefine 了有什么好处，或者是结果，有点不很切题，如果在后边在转一下，就说重新定义促进了人类社会的发展，另一方面，人类社会的发展要求对很多概念重新定义，回到题目上（不过感觉还是跟第一点很象啊，FT……）
还有，就是body的第三段里说到有一哲学观点，essence不变，这个跟第一句话好象有冲突？

已经copy下来向你学习了^^自己的问题更多，哦对了，觉得你是不是应该在body的每一部分结束的时候对这个部分来个总结过度到下一段？嘿嘿，我自己从来不晓得怎么总结~~==+||||

关于这个题目的提纲，我也是正在头痛中……不过刚刚看到paisleyJJ的，不晓得能不能这样写：既然内核不变，但是表现在变，那就分开来写，不知道怎样……——||||

xqmelissaUID: 140370

啊，啊，这么多人回复了，嘿嘿
:D

对于大家的问题，我一一回复吧：
谢谢九月爱上乒乓球：

探讨: 开头是不是绕了一点 直接回应主题

我认为开头可以有几种写法，直接点题可以，好处是比较清楚的表述了自己的观点，但是我总觉得这种写法有点唐突，所以似乎更习惯于先写一点背景知识，然后亮出自己的观点

如果限时的话,你能够花122个字去讲述一个例子吗?应当简洁

这个嘛，我想问题不大，这个是我的专业，比较熟悉了，嘿嘿

通过你的ts,应该去强调 社会如何被redefinition所促进

恩，这个TS下午和IMONG讨论了一点，有点问题，改成：
The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the redefinition of “right” and “wrong”, which indicates the necessity to redefine the criterion of “right” and “wrong”
进而清楚表明是necessary的

你的总结差不多吧，呵呵

anyway，非常感谢！
下午批的你那篇有点狠啊，包涵了
:D

九月爱上乒乓球UID: 151821

呵呵 没有啊
你的意见很中肯 我又改了一下 不过没举什么例子 有空再去提点意见吧
我的issue没写多少 很多是拙见 但愿没有浪费你的时间

forwwwUID: 154260

嗯，我也说两句，有些virtue是不变的，要拿出来说：honesty,true, 总是要比cheating, swindle强。
也就是paisley的内核的一部分吧。

mjkUID: 127590

The incessant progress of society, in a sense, is promoted by the redefinition of “right” and “wrong”, which indicates the necessity to redefine the criterion of “right” and “wrong”

我一来也想到了你前半句的那个论点
但一看全被大家说是跑题了
恕我愚笨，我怎么觉得这个没有跑题啊
我现在看到你这个改了的，其实就是点明了结果
以前是“原因是a”，现在改成“原因是a，所以b”
其实逻辑上没有变啊，这样就不跑题了？？？