Issue 57- benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion

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57) （57/73/133/134）The main benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times.
Write a response in which you discuss the extent to which you agree or disagree with the statement and explain your reasoning for the position you take. In developing and supporting your position, you should consider ways in which the statement might or might not hold true and explain how these considerations shape your position.
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原有思路：
The main benefits of the study of history varies with different groups of people, but none of them is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times.
For those who expert in history, the main benefit of the study of the history is to find the regular pattern of human being’s development.历史学家通过研究历史归纳出人类发展的规律，为人类今后的发展提供借鉴。举例：中国新疆楼兰地区原本富庶，因为破坏环境最终导致楼兰变为荒漠；说明人类应该在发展时做好环境治理工作。
For those who take the study of history as a hobby, the main benefit is to learn how to behave in their daily life, which makes them become wiser.看历史上人们的言行以及后果，明白如何处世做人，从而在生活中变得更加明智。举例：军事家们在战争时会参考以前战争中的战术案例。
The main benefit of the study of history is not to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times, because people’s life has changed greatly indeed in some perspectives. 虽然在历史的发展中人性不变，但是人们的生活方式对比过去确实发生了很大改变，这一点不会因为对历史的研究而改变。举例：交通方式、信息传播方式、人们的娱乐方式。

讨论后思路一：反对claim
The main benefits of the study of history varies with different groups of people, but none of them is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times.
The main benefit of the study of history is not to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times, because people’s life has changed greatly indeed in some perspectives. 虽然在历史的发展中人性不变，但是人们的生活方式对比过去确实发生了很大改变，这一点不会因为对历史的研究而改变。举例：交通方式、信息传播方式、人们的娱乐方式。
For those who expert in history, the main benefit of the study of the history is to find the regular pattern of human being’s development.历史学家通过研究历史归纳出人类发展的规律，为人类今后的发展提供借鉴。举例：中国新疆楼兰地区原本富庶，因为破坏环境最终导致楼兰变为荒漠；说明人类应该在发展时做好环境治理工作。
For those who take the study of history as a hobby, the main benefit is to learn how to behave in their daily life, which makes them become wiser.看历史上人们的言行以及后果，明白如何处世做人，从而在生活中变得更加明智。举例：军事家们在战争时会参考以前战争中的战术案例。

感想：调整原思路顺序，否则会出现没有正面回复文章题目的状况

讨论后思路二：同意claim
The main benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times because human nature, social specialization and the relation among different countries have not changed.
First of all, human nature has not changed in the history.举例：贪婪、贪污受贿
What is more, social speculation has never disappeared in any time period.任何时代人们都根据比较优势comparative advantage分工。举例：古代男耕女织
Finally, the relation among different countries today is similar to any period in the history.国家主权意识、为资源发生战争、地缘政治、外交手段等。

感想：同意时，需要找古今相同而且少有争议的方面进行讨论。

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    The speaker claims that the main benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times. Well, the life procedure and some emotions of people remain the same with little change from generations to generations. At the same time, changes in society definitely could effect on people. And the main benefit of history studying would be to make people more wisdom to tackle convoluted issues.
   
    ts1
    In reality, it is not difficult to find that, after the study of history, that people in different times share the same life procedure and the same characters. 纵观人类历史，人们在出生厚，会一样的长大，结婚，生子，病老，最终死去；同样的，也有一样的特点，会一样的去爱、恨、担忧、喜乐、犯错和进步.......
  
    ts2
    At the same time, there are also some considerable differences between today and past. 社会不同，时代不同了，随着科学、生产等的发展，人们拥有的物质更多，生活更方便，由此，与以往的人相比，思维方式也不一样，而且，社会价值观也变了，对于人的影响也使得现代的人与以往的不一样....

    ts3
    Most importantly, the main benefit of history studying is to grand people the chance to know better about present and, most critically, look into the future. 比如政治、外交，"To know about the past is to know about the future."

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    The speaker claims that it is of no use for people knowing about the past cause the world today is significantly more complex than it was before. It is true that knowing about the history can not help normal people to make important decisions today, but for elites of the society, this would matters significantly, even though the world today is not the one it was.
   
    ts1
    For normal people, get to know about the history can not help them to solve such pressing problems as good-paid jobs, an apartment, a car, medical assurance, soundable and affordable education for children, not to say to help them make important decisions, but to leave them a good time to devote into history and possibly cultivate one`s cultural spirit. 尽管人们掌握了更多的知识，似乎这很有助于人们更好的去做出重要的决定，但是，人们会发现，其实，别人也是和他们处于同一知识水平的，而且，随着现代化的继续，往往普通人并不需要做什么基于历史等的重大决定，更多的是要为一个体面的生活而奋斗。

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     It is true that the world is not the one it was before, the whole society is changing rapidly without a suspend. 我们今天所掌握的大多数知识都是过时的，比如说科学及历史，它们早已被新的科学及历史所覆盖了，甚至是被遗忘了。比如说，对于经典生物的掌握并不能让人们更轻易的做出有关基因学及免疫学的决定。甚至，最新的知识都有可能在几周甚至几天内过时。而随着社交媒体的出现，历史也逃脱不了这命运，现在的人们甚至可以知道目前这会儿在世界的各个地方发生了什么，他们所掌握的以往的事很快就会被新的历史及社会事件所覆盖。这个世界，确实是比以往更加复杂了。

    ts3
    While, for elites of the society, it will be so beneficial to know about the past, this could help them make important decisions more efficiently. 对于商业领导来说，对于过往的认知，可以让他们站得更高，从而更有效、精准的做出相关的决定。认知历史就是认识未来，谁弄清了历史谁就把握得住未来。这对于政治及外交也是一样的。在政治及外交中，对手可以是朋友，朋友也可能是潜在的对手，清楚了政治伙伴、政治小组、政党的过往，政治领导们就可以把握住全局，并在关键时刻做出有效的决定。尽管社会在不停的变化，但，有些事情是不会变的，尤其是有关人的本性的事。而对于政治及外交来说，熟知别人的历史非常关键，尤其是其本性，包括个人的、团体的甚至是整个民族的，所以，对于政治及外交，熟知历史非常重要。

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ClaretZ 发表于 2014-12-10 11:59
原有思路：
The main benefits of the study of history varies with different groups of people, but no ...

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57. The main benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion that people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times.

Write a response in which you discuss the extent to which you agree or disagree with the statement and explain your reasoning for the position you take. In developing and supporting your position, you should consider ways in which the statement might or might not hold true and explain how these considerations shape your position.

你这个提纲有一个很关键的问题就是没有回应The main benefit of the study of history is to dispel the illusion that
你的整个论述都集中在people living now are significantly different from people who lived in earlier times.
另外题目讨论的是people are different 而不是生活方式
这道题我也写了 你可以去我博客看看

另外 你写汉语展开的时候最好能分一下层次；具体讨论接下来分哪几个点或步骤来展开 而不是写一大段汉语



TS (pt1, pt2, pt3): The reasons why we conduct research in the field of history always attract lots of attention and are often in heated discussion. Some assert that acquiring the historical knowledge allows us to know that current human beings are indeed similar to their ancestors long ago. Although I agree that the aspects involving social science and humanity of the people nowadays are not notably different from those of their progenitors due to the stability and consistency of the human nature, the progress in natural science and engineering has rendered the humankind’s life dramatically changed. In fact, since modern technology helps present residents on this planet live a more convenient life and concurrently uses a series of challenges to jeopardize them, the current people cannot share the same characteristics with their forefathers to a large extent.
  
ts (pt1): To begin with, both the present and ancient people obey the rules of certain subjects in the social science field. 社会科学领域里，今人、古人的变化不大，他们都得遵守一定的规律。例如，经济学里的由供求关系决定商品价格这一原则，千百年前的古人会运用，称之为“物以稀为贵”，现代人也要运用，只要每天关注一下各类商品的价格波动就可得知。因此题目里的陈述可以运用在社科领域。

ts (pt2): What is more, those humanity studies have revealed the human nature which preserves from the past to today. 人们对于宗教、历史的研究，发现许多历史上的悲剧总是重复地出现，这是人性使然。比如说，一旦追求乌托邦、进行政教合一的统治，必定导致巨大人祸。无论是过去西欧黑暗的中世纪，还是20世纪30年代苏联骇人听闻的“大清洗”，直到20世纪60、70年代中国的“Cultural Revolution”都证明了这一点，其后隐藏的人性黑暗，更是大同小异，让人引以为戒。题目中的观点在人文领域也能成立。

ts (p3): Notwithstanding, the advent of varied new techniques has offered great convenience and changed the human beings’ life forever. 不可否认的是，现代科技进步让人在交通、通讯、居家等领域得到极大的方便，过上一种从未有过的舒适生活。例如人们现在坐汽车、火车、飞机去上班、上学、出差、旅游，这是骑马、坐马车的前人所没有经历过的，也是不可想像的。而网络、手机等通讯设备让千里咨询一线牵，比过去写信是要快捷多了。家居生活的方便更是尤为明显，过去人们为了做饭，用木头、煤等燃料，生火要花上很长时间，现在的燃气炉、电磁炉、微波炉，按几下按钮便能烹饪。因而题目里的话在科技方便生活方面是占不住脚的。

ts (p4): Meanwhile, the development of science and technology poses a myriad of challenges to our society and shapes the present men and women. 除了好处，新科技也有不少弊端，同样使得现代人不同与古人。其一，方便的交通、通讯让人生活节奏加快，压力增大，比古人更加疲惫、紧张。第二，新科技带来了诸如工厂污水、废气排放等环境污染问题，使得人们的健康受到严重威胁，最明显的一点就是当代人罹患癌症的几率远远高于古人。最后，当代科技生产出的核弹等Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)，真的让人类面临灭绝的威胁，这是古人所没有经历过的。总而言之，现代科技给人们带来的麻烦也让今人不同于古人。

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今天我也在思考Issue 57这题，感觉题目太复杂。要反对题目的话，既要讨论the main benefit of historical study是什么，又要论证今天的人跟过去的人不一样。
我在想是不是需要举这样三个例子/情况：每个都要推导出其main benefit是别的东西，不是题目所说的人与人同不同，同时每个例子还要能顺便证明今人跟古人不一样。