2016fall ECONS MASTER 恳求定位~

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-10-15 16:32
1.
3和4之間有點衝突…
想留下就讀quantitative 一點，打算做corp fina 就做好回國的準備…

前辈好，看了您的回答我有两个问题：
1.您说“MSF are seldom in-depth for one certain sub-section in finance unless they have enough flexibility and the student are smart enough to select so in advance.”
  那什么才是呢？应该读博士，还是其他专业？
2.您说“What's most important for it is (put aside network from dad & mom, which is indeed the most important point) the name of the school. Whatever major doesn't matter much indeed.”
这个是只针对corp fina position还是所以决定要回国的学生

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_YPL 发表于 2015-10-15 20:40
前辈好，看了您的回答我有两个问题：
1.您说“MSF are seldom in-depth for one certain sub-section in ...

1. well.......the key question is which type of role / division you want:
e.g. MFE for derivatives, quant, trading risk and etc; some more accounting, or some more business sense for some business / financial analyst role; things like LLM for compliance or anything related to regulation; and etc.....

2. I mean for corporate finance position. Indeed it is not common for a truly corporate finance position to take fresh graduates.....

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-10-15 21:17
1. well.......the key question is which type of role / division you want:
e.g. MFE for derivative ...

1. 那么 Finance for which type of role... 我一直以为finance比accounting更适合金融这个行业。看来我想错了？我还觉得自己有会计的背景申请金融还挺合适的...

2. 所以corporate finance position更喜欢在四大里面招会计相关的职位吗？

我也是很不明白，所以希望多看看，向了解的人多请教

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_YPL 发表于 2015-10-15 21:53
1. 那么 Finance for which type of role... 我一直以为finance比accounting更适合金融这个行业。看来我想 ...

1. well...........in a MSF, there are coursework covering from financial statement analysis and equity research, to financial econometrics and portfolio management, and whatever financial market and regulation. Sounds really nice that as it covers many topic, but well.......imagine, one have an accounting (/mathematics) background, aim for an equity research (/quantitative research) role, what on earth he/she need those GARCH or whatever Black-Scholes (/ financial statement & equity valuation) course?

2. of course a accounting background is good for (some roles in) finance, but why you must need a master of finance (in terms of knowledge, except fulfilling some stupid recruitment requirement)? An related internship will be much more valuable, a target university on your CV will open the door for interview, a CFA will be enough to prove your skills, a good location will make it possible for a part-time or more convenient interview. I don't see any point of sticking to MSF only indeed, especially those plan to go to North America where nearly no target university offers MSF.

3. Corporate finance position like to take people with connection.........so that they can find more clients easily. They like to take student from really top university, for alumni network or whatever. Normally an internship is super important....
of course big 4 background is valuable, but don't forget that many people in big 4 also wanna escape to finance, many.......

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-10-15 22:18
1. well...........in a MSF, there are coursework covering from financial statement analysis and  ...

1.可不可以理解为，金融实在是太范了，但又不能够完全满足某一个领域需要的技能。就像一个大行业需要不同专业背景的人：计算机、数学、会计、法律等等

2.如果是为了职业的话，确实需要一个好的学校来敲开面试的门，那么金融行业的target school怎么查。然后其实专业不是那么重要可以这么理解？是不是target school才重要。另外就是实习和一些证书，对找工作都很有用。

3.现在不太懂corporate finance position做什么了，资金的运作吗？所以需要资源。

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_YPL 发表于 2015-10-15 22:51
1.可不可以理解为，金融实在是太范了，但又不能够完全满足某一个领域需要的技能。就像一个大行业需要不同 ...

1. yes indeed. since people will expect junior / entry level employee to really do something one one / two certain area most likely.
one may put MT out of this statement but we all know how many management trainee position are there each year....

2. "which school is a target school" depends on location and industry. (e.g. commercial bank in general have a longer list when compared to ibank)
怎么查 = GOOGLE. If you cannot find that.....well you have many other career choice anyway.
"major important or not?" depends on the nature of the role / division. Imagine the comparison between a quantitative analyst role vs a role in operation.
Internship, a good and related one is very very very important. not that much for certificates, just only in case one really need something to show one's ability and interest only.

3. well......if it is the case, that simply means you are not yet ready. Indeed that's normal....applicants with a good family background not only means that the company can leverage on their network, but also means that they are more likely to be well-exposure to various business mindset and way of working from their family and thus they are more likely to work better in such a role.

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一颗两颗星星 发表于 2015-10-15 00:16
嗯嗯~我就是金融经济混申的！不过金融的项目真的是够少的。。。所以也想提前做好去读经济的心理准备= =

哪里少了。。。一大把一大把的。。。

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-10-15 23:14
1. yes indeed. since people will expect junior / entry level employee to really do something one ...

再次感谢大神回复！！
我的理解是，若是想要做一些corporate finance方面的工作，我目前应该关注学校的名气和地理位置（方便找实习），而实际读什么专业其实并不是很重要，是这样吗？

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MaxFeburarybird 发表于 2015-10-16 07:13
哪里少了。。。一大把一大把的。。。

可能我有些名校情结，所以觉得top30里开金融项目的比较少了

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一颗两颗星星 发表于 2015-10-18 20:44
再次感谢大神回复！！
我的理解是，若是想要做一些corporate finance方面的工作，我目前应该关注学校的名 ...

個人認為, 最最重要的是其本身家庭背景, 之後就是本科學校,
碩士去哪裡讀關係排在後面, 讀甚麼這個....不會太不相關就行....
internship當然很重要, 但不排在這裡 (since it is an intermediate step instead indeed)

當然, international student想留在外國做corporate finance的話, well..............nothing is impossible, but it is next to impossible.

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一颗两颗星星 发表于 2015-10-18 20:47
可能我有些名校情结，所以觉得top30里开金融项目的比较少了

原因很簡單, 因為美國的common practise, 都是學士畢業了, 搞研究的直接上PhD, 出來工作的就直接出來工作, 要讀書也是三幾年後有了些經驗再讀professional master.

當然, 某些technica subject要master level才能入行, 或是如醫法等要有了first degree才能讀MD, JD的另計.

所以大部份business master, 都是用來賺外匯了...

以finance為例, 要technical 的直接MFE or etc, 要soft skill, network等等的就等幾年後MBA.
只有極少數情況下, 一個pre-expereince MSF才會有用, i.e. nearly no top business offers a MSF in US.

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南大学妹你好，如果想继续学术，请直接瞄准duke，vandy，UWM，UTaustin以及Gatech的econ master即可（个人觉得就这几个项目的phd placement还算能看）。如果想就业，还想要MSF而且还要名校，那请着重考虑BC WUSTL以及JHU的MSF和哥大以及芝大的金数吧。。。鉴于南大申MIT阿，罗村什么的啊就好像没有成功案例，所以就别浪费申请费了。。。。外加我觉得读完ECON master再读个ACCT master是很不实际很不经济且没什么价值的做法。想去做会计其实拿着ECON master进去也是一样的，最后要做到associate也不是看你是不是有ACCT master，而是看你有没有证。

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一颗两颗星星 发表于 2015-10-18 07:47
可能我有些名校情结，所以觉得top30里开金融项目的比较少了

top 30 的学校本来就只有 30 个。。。

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-10-18 21:33
個人認為, 最最重要的是其本身家庭背景, 之後就是本科學校,
碩士去哪裡讀關係排在後面, 讀甚麼這個.. ...

我明白啦感谢大神！！

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ＨＥ→赫γ 发表于 2015-10-19 00:48
南大学妹你好，如果想继续学术，请直接瞄准duke，vandy，UWM，UTaustin以及Gatech的econ master即可（个人觉 ...

我知道啦！谢谢学长~我会好好考虑！