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发表于 2004-9-1 05:19:46 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
嘻嘻,以前批那么多的文章都太狠了.这次,大家也使劲打击我吧,难得我写一次,免得我又犯懒。。。

虽然自己已经改过n次了,还是一定会有很多问题的,大家表客气哈~~
Issue11 All nations should help support the development of a global university designed to engage students in the process of solving the world's most persistent social problems.

Universities are among the most important features of civilization. Certainly, universities are essential to all countries to solve social problems. Rather, the debate focus on whether all nations should support a global university for the world’s most persistent ones, and I believe that every nation should contribute to build a global university.

The goal of education leads to the necessity of a global university. Every university should teach its students how to deal with intangible cases when they face the world as an adult, and to conquer the difficulties when they confront problems as a mature person. It is a pity that in this world, there exist not only trivial problems, but also some big, global ones, such as poverty, discrimination among different races, gender disparity, decreasing access to health care and its rising cost, age inequality and so on. In these cases, only people with full capability can solve the problems. So a global university is in desperate need so as to cultivate qualified students who, in their college life, learn the theories of solving the world’s most persistent social problems and some specific examples and cases, and who gradually grasp the kernel of them and will exert their wisdom in the future. As the problems are met by all societies and the state of well-being is concerned by the whole population in the world, all nations should do what they can for the development of a global university.

Moreover, the outcome of building a global university, especially for working out the world’s most persistent problems, will be great. Once the global university exists, the faculties consist of elites from almost every possible part of the world, and so do the students, with diversely cultural and economical background information. And it is obvious that they have different perspectives of viewing the world and their own distinctive ways of thinking out a problem. After the university life they lead together, they will recognize that there are numerous life styles and totally different social conditions in the world. For instance, at the beginning it is a little bit hard for a student from Vatican to understand why not all the students from China have religion believe. And a student from America may find it incredible that some students from African countries have never seen a light bulb, let alone an electrical robot model and a personal computer. However, after their communication with each other in the same global university, they will have a better realization of their states of life, as well as other's happiness and suffering, and even the cause of these feelings. Not only can they learn much about the state of the whole world through classes and discussions, but also they will understand the complexity and variety of the social condition in a whole more profoundly, which all contribute to smoothly solving the world's most persistent problems.

Furthermore, it is beneficial for all nations to help develop a global university, especially for the developing countries, which cannot insularly solve the existed social problems. The graduates from the global university will definitely help a lot with their comprehensive consideration of the developmental atmosphere in the whole world and their own country's unique feature. And also officers, for example in United Union, will own an impartial attitude towards the social affairs due to their rich direct or indirect living experience in many regions, so from this aspect a global university is needed to crack the constant social problems with better effects.

In sum, though it seems unpractical and difficult to build a global university, it is worthwhile developing such a wonderful form of education that can meet the need of high standard education and fulfill the aim of solving the world’s most persistent social problems.

天天在改别人的作文,自己就是写不出来…汗~~~

这个作文,累计写作时间两个半小时,不是完整的.晚上写了一些,夜里写了一些.现在大脑极度混乱.所以结尾不会写了.又等了一个多小时,把结尾凑出来.

l另外,其实我一直不会写结尾.哪位xdjm给个好点的结尾方法,教教偶,或者提供些线索,hatty不胜感激!
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发表于 2004-9-1 14:12:38 |只看该作者
您这篇中间三段似乎是经典的“必要性—优越性—可行性”思路,这种思路遇到合适的题目时可以起到滴水不漏的效果,不过要是题目不合适时,可能就会有点打不中要害的感觉。在三段的笔墨分配上,您采用了“强—强—弱”的结构(从篇幅上来看是这样),是否可以考虑一下用“强—弱—弱”的结构,重点把“必要性”说透(因为题目中有个“should”)?

您在论述necessity时,论述的重点有点像是“the necessity of cultivating students to solve the world's most persistent social problems”,而不是“the necessity of developing a global universitiy”。您这一段开头说“The goal of education leads to the necessity of a global university”,是不是可以考虑按“what is the goal of education”、“what can a global university do”、“why does the goal of education lead to the necessity of a global university”的思路来展开呢?我觉得这样可能笔力会更集中一些。

结尾方面,高考语文作文里有一种“重申主旨+展望前景”的universal模式,我自己在没招的时候就用这种办法对付。当然,实在实在没招或者没时间想招的时候我才用它。您的这篇如果在结尾的时候能用一两句话表明一下中间三段的行文逻辑,也许会更加完满呢。

“For instance, at the beginning it is a little bit hard for a student from...”这个a little bit hard是不是有点那个那个……

说了一堆,其实我自己的作文烂的很。以上通通愚见,说得不对请大声骂我。
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发表于 2004-9-1 17:20:19 |只看该作者
The goal of education leads to the necessity of a global university.....
可是教育进行了这么几千年。。。至今也没有这么一所大学阿。。。

Every university should teach its students (是教育目的的deduct出来的结果?)。。。why??和教育目的有什么关系?

such as poverty, discrimination among different races, gender disparity, decreasing access to health care and its rising cost, age inequality and so on
你能充分论述其中2-3个就不错了。。。列这么多干嘛。。。

B1似乎没什么逻辑词。。。没看太懂。。。大概是这个意思吧: 现在社会problem-ridden,教育有义务搞定他们。而实现这个目标需要国际大学。。。

Moreover, the outcome of building a global university,will be great. 这是TS??不如把这句话前置:different perspectives of viewing the world and their own distinctive ways of thinking out a problem

Furthermore, it is beneficial 。。。可是B2就是在谈outcome great 吧。似乎一样嘛~~~
莫非。。。是想强调for all nations ?那不妨用个强调句不然重点不突出。

United Union????

though it seems unpractical and difficult to build a global university可以单独搞一段说明困难更好。结尾最好能概括beneficial for “all” nations

西西~~~~上午上课下午办事,回来发现网线坏了,刚搞好就急急忙忙来拍拍拍~~~

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发表于 2004-9-1 23:18:54 |只看该作者
先谢谢楼上的两个,我down下去看看。。。

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发表于 2004-9-2 00:22:44 |只看该作者
Why global university?Why not other means?

必要性来自哪里?如果说global university 能搞定,其他手段是否同样可以?如果同样可以,为何是global university而不是其他,for example, international mass communication?

It is possible that global university CAN do a lot of things, but why it is NECESSARY to establish a global university to do this particular thing?

我所希望在文中看到的并没有看到,觉得整篇文章风格比较奇怪——因为我自己看文章的时候角度就比较Critical。隐隐觉得文章从头到尾都偏于泛泛。我不敢说你这样写会如何如何,但我相信如果你能够做到对necessity的严谨证明你的文章会上一个层次。现在你的文章没有做到。Because it can, because when established it'll be good......有没有排他的必要性呢?不敢说前者有错,但是后者更能完美体现必不可少的"迫在眉睫"。

看看那个讨论issue11提纲和破题的帖子。这篇文章从头到尾透着"充分性"的气息,却没能看到真正需要的"必要性"元素。
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发表于 2004-9-2 00:48:50 |只看该作者
哎,人士越来越少了,我实在不能忍受宿舍的嘈杂,终于抛下电脑,出去写作了。不管那么多了,我教育的就算看完了。明天决定不去上课了,一连4节课都在衰男的魔爪之下,总不好再他眼皮底下开溜阿,所以干脆不去了。你什么时候考阿,我市15号的。考试那里好远啊,还是8:30那场的,我怎么能赶得到阿,能不能迟到啊?状态很难调整的阿。太衰了!!!!
加油啊,我默默地心里支持一下!

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发表于 2004-9-2 00:56:42 |只看该作者
从头到尾透着"充分性"的气息,却没能看到真正需要的"必要性"元素。
同意。incisive.

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发表于 2004-9-2 03:01:53 |只看该作者
to孙檐冰,讨论几点:1, 你觉得issue11适合那种“必要性—优越性—可行性”思路么?可以做到严谨且有逻辑么?
2 那个那个是哪个哪个?木有明白。。。
3 关于“必要性—优越性—可行性”思路,既然经典,一定是很好用的。但是,我想讨论一下,我觉得需要性—优越性—可行性,似乎更合适(理由见下,我感觉分析的已经很罗嗦了)

to lakeqian:1 可是教育进行了这么几千年。。。至今也没有这么一所大学阿。。。我们不去管,这个不是issue要讨论的问题,存在是合理的,但是不存在不一定不合理,对吧?
2 Every university should teach its students (是教育目的的deduct出来的结果?)。。。why??和教育目的有什么关系?
我觉得我想说的是这个就是教育的目的。。。你觉得怎么样说明更好,就是说能表达出来我的这个意思?
3 现在社会problem-ridden,教育有义务搞定他们。而实现这个目标需要国际大学。。。——我的b1是这样的意思(虽然不是这样的顺序)
4 Furthermore, it is beneficial 。。。可是B2就是在谈outcome great 吧。似乎一样嘛~~~
莫非。。。是想强调for all nations ——我的确就是想强调all nation,因为我想继续把“充分性”,就是“好处”这个方面强化一下(理由见下,re :imong的帖子里)。毕竟,all这种绝对词,有必要说明。但是这个又不是论证重点,所以篇幅比较短。United Union的例子也是想说这个,但是当时写的大脑很疲惫了,估计没有说清楚。。。

写了这么多,麻烦lake操心逐条回复 :)

欢迎各位看过这个帖子的都发表一下看法! //bow

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老大:仔细想过你的帖子,你强调了Why global university?Why not other means?,这个观点我不是很同意的说。。。尤其操作起来。。。

我觉得should题目(一直想着那个特训里面的专门的一节,觉得很受用)就是论述:需要,好处,好处足够了(没有很大的坏处,或者坏处相比好处不算什么)又可行,自然“应该(should)”就是“需要性(注意:同二楼所说的必要性有点差别)—优越性—可行性”


我想着重讨论一下,需要和必要的差别。两者都是论述should的,但是“必要”是少了它不行,需要则没有这一层的意思。那么,should 的题目是不是一定要分析没有它global university不行呢?
没有谈“少了它不行”,而恰好又充分说明了它的好处,我觉得这样已经可以弥补“没有论证必要性”而带来的逻辑问题了。就是说It is possible that global university CAN do a lot of things这样已经可以了,不用管别的如何。一个方法可以解决问题了,而我再论述它是很可行的,为什么不should呢?于是,基本上说服力已经比较强了。

我这样想,最主要的原因还是在具体操作上,我觉得论证“少了它不行”,当然很好,这样几乎别的都不用证明了。但是,这是一个比较难的事情。毕竟想说别的途径都不行只有它global university才可以(或者它最好最实用),很难说的滴水不漏。因为总会有人想到我们想不到的n种可能性,难道我们都可以证明它们不如global university?所以,我认为与其留一个漏洞在,还不如退而论证n多好处,就是大家所说的“充分性”,这个方面功夫做足了,自然会令人信服should ... a global university。而我那个文章恰好就是在充分性上做足了文章(当然,也不一定说明的很好 :P ,只是思路上,我强调这样去构思文章)

关于可行性,限于时间和篇幅,我这个issue里面没有论证可行性

另外,由于题目中all这种绝对词,我觉得有必要讨论。imong,你说呢?所以我的这个issue中,b3在试图写这个方面,但是这个又不是论证重点,所以篇幅比较短。



一点想法,极度欢迎大家提意见与建议。 :)

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Issue11 All nations should help support the development of a global university designed to engage students in the process of solving the world's most persistent social problems.

Universities are among the most important features of civilization. (不太舒服,这样说好不好,Among all the …features of civilization, university is an … one…,另外,你想说大学是文明的产物?还是大学对文明的发展重要?这样简简单单的一句背景似乎对你的观点没什么用处啊?换成,大学是社会的产物,然后接下句大学的作用,或者直接说出大学的作用) Certainly, universities are essential to all countries to solve social problems. (这个certainly我感觉不是很好,如果是想进一步解释的话,是不是说actually或者说像大家知道的那样,university如何如何怎么样?而且,我觉得你这两句的安排不是很合适,第一句和第二句的联系不紧密,第二句的结论也太单薄。建议第一句就说大学essential to 解决问题,第二句说,因为大学教了什么什么,促进了学生的什么什么,社会的什么什么) Rather, (为什么要用rather呢?) the debate focus on whether all nations should support a global university for the world’s most persistent ones, and I believe that every nation should contribute(make efforts好一点?)to build a global university. (觉得你的问题的引出似乎不是从大学引出的,而是从社会问题引出的,那么是不是开头的背景交代我们的社会有什么什么样的问题,尤其是persistent的问题,然后再说争议问题是一所大学能否解决问题,然后你的观点。你的开头方式我也很喜欢用的,交代一两句背景,引出问题,再引出自己的观点,HOHO)

The goal of education leads to the necessity of a global university. (lead to necessity这样说好吗?the necessity … lies in …怎么样呢?还有一个问题,应该说,我们要研究的问题是建这样的大学与解决社会问题的关系吧,说教育的目的离的远了一点,而且,后面好像你并没有把教育目的说清楚。我觉得应该是必要性在于解决社会问题的迫切性,出于社会的目的,不是出于教育的目的。是社会方面的问题而不是教育方面的问题啊。 )Every university should teach its students how to deal with intangible cases when they face the world as an adult, and to conquer the difficulties when they confront problems as a mature person. (想通过这样过渡到社会问题,恩,想法不错的。但是篇幅有限,我还是觉得直接说到社会比较好,前面关于教育的东西偏了,浪费时间和篇幅。) It is a pity that in this world(unfortunately?), there exist not only trivial problems, but also some big, global ones, such as poverty, discrimination among different races, gender disparity, decreasing access to health care and its rising cost, age inequality and so on.(列举的太多了,想全覆盖是不可能的,举3个典型的就可以。) In these cases, only people with full capability can solve the problems. (这句话太泛泛了,什么是full capability,没有full capability为什么解决不了这些问题呢?还是像我刚才说的,你的重点要放在社会问题上,这里应该展开说,教育的删掉,这里就可以多点笔墨了) So a global university is in desperate(很新颖的用法,我没见过,呵呵) need so as to cultivate qualified students who, in their college life, learn the theories of solving the world’s most persistent social problems and some specific examples and cases, and who gradually grasp the kernel of them and will exert their wisdom in the future. (说的很多,但是多不代表具体,具体应该是:学生学到跟环境有关的科学,将来解决环境问题,学到跟能源有关的知识,将来解决能源危机。这样更好更有深度力度不是吗?) As the problems are met by all societies and the state of well-being is concerned by the whole population in the world, all nations should do what they can for the development of a global university. 应该建立一个解决问题和达到wellbeing的关系更好。总的来说这段写的有点乱,因为你的出发点—教育,是有些问题的,而当引到社会问题的时候展开的又不够,所以你最后的观点就不太站得住。你的路线是:大学教学生解决问题――社会问题严重――有full capability才能解决――学校教学生某些知识――应该建全球大学。首先,学生成为adult后遇到的问题是否就是社会问题呢?再则full capability是什么,对于解决问题如何重要?然后,学校教的××××是不是full capability呢?最后,为什么全球大学就好,一般的学校不能教full capability吗?论述的有些脱节。我觉得应该是把重点放在社会问题上,社会问题复杂严重――个人,单个国家无法解决――合作建立全球大学。我的大概思路是这样的。

Moreover, the outcome (根据你的全句,这里用function之类的好一点吧)of building a global university, especially for working out the world’s most persistent problems, will be great. Once the global university exists, the faculties consist of(are consisted of) elites from almost every possible part of the world, and so do (are)the students, with diversely cultural and economical background information. (once…,… will…我记得是这样吧,后面那个with又是跟谁的啊?句子语法有问题) And it is obvious that (obviously/apparently) they (faculty?students?) have different perspectives of viewing the world and their own distinctive ways of thinking out a problem. After the university life they lead (?) together, they will recognize that there are numerous life styles and totally different social conditions in the world. (不够简洁,其实整合一下,用一句话就可以说明白的,不同的背景带来不同的观点,其他的东西放到定语从句里面)For instance, at the beginning it is a little bit hard(这样语法上正确吗?意思上也不太对的。直接hard就可以了啊) for a student from Vatican to understand why not all the students from China have religion believe(想说所有中国学生都没有还是一部分没有?换个方式能不能好一点). And a student from America may find it incredible that some students from African countries (一个小建议,students from China/America/Africa说成Chinese/American/African students 如何)have never seen a light bulb, let alone an electrical robot model and a personal computer. However, after their communication with each other in the same global university, they will have a better realization of their states of life(别人的生活是不是好一点,你是想说在全球大学里面有助于不同的人互相理解,历史的,文化的,社会的,习惯的等等), as well as other's happiness and suffering, and even the cause of these feelings. Not only can they learn much about the state of the whole world through classes and discussions, but also they will understand the complexity and variety of the social condition in a whole more profoundly, which all contribute to smoothly solving the world's most persistent problems. 还是一个问题,没说到点子上,你的观点是全球大学里面有世界各地来的人,有利于交流和理解,但是,文化等方面的交流和理解怎样作用于解决社会问题呢?是否应该谈到很多问题的本质就是不同文化,意识,宗教间的不理解,只有交流和理解才能解决问题呢?过多篇幅放在了学校里面的现象上面,研究的是社会问题啊,提都没提社会,最后就随随便便给个结论怎么让人信服呢?你说呢?

Furthermore, it is beneficial for all nations to help develop a global university, especially for the developing countries, which cannot insularly(?是否正确?) solve the existed(existing) social problems. The graduates from the global university will definitely help a lot with their comprehensive consideration of the developmental atmosphere in the whole world and their own country's unique feature. (definitely这样的词太严重了吧,最好别太绝对的) And also officers, for example in United Union, will own an impartial attitude towards the social affairs due to their rich direct or indirect living experience in many regions(列举两个啊), so from this aspect a global university is needed to crack the constant social problems with better effects. 还是单薄啊。这一段很像是上一段的补充。对国家怎么好了没说明白,为什么对developing countries更有用没说,为什么developing countries自己解决不了也没说。论述的不够充分。

In sum, though it seems unpractical and difficult to build a global university, it is worthwhile developing such a wonderful form of education that can meet the need of high standard education (我就说这点没什么用的啊)and fulfill the aim of solving the world’s most persistent social problems.最后才出现persistent,B1中的列举也没说明persistent是什么样的。我觉得这个词也是一个关键,说明白这个词,才能说明白为什么单个国家解决不了,因为一般的问题不用合作也很可能解决的,对不?

把你的文章改成这样,不好意思啊,我用了好长时间呢!
你的思路我是不太赞同的,分段的论述不够深入,不够说服力,而且教育的内容我觉得影响了你的文章。
关于充分还是必要我觉得不用研究那么清楚的。Imong说的排除其他唯我独尊的方法我不是很同意的,其实should的题不用写成must对吗?说明白了有好处,就可以了,我觉得可行性也不一定是论述的重点的,因为我认为的should不包括可行与否啊。有好处,有可能,就能should了,大家说呢?
我觉得hatty你对于题目的理解有点偏的。重新考虑一下,我还是那句话,我们要研究的是社会问题,不是教育问题。语言能看出来是用心的,有些表达再注意一点准确性哦。
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不存在不一定不合理 晕。。。。。。。这是推理吗?
存在合理---->不合理不存在对吧?你写反了。另外,不存在也是存在为零的情况。不存在也合理。在另外,存在合理这句话本身就是错误的。基于此的推论当然不对。

B1这么写: the necessity to estabish a global university is derived from various concerns among them being the very ultimate goal of education 接下来用同位语解释教育目的或者其他方法。。。论述(注意点到其他手段不能胜任)。。。其他段落继续写别的necessity......这样就扣住(九口猪^^)必要性了。

imong说:其他手段是否同样可以
是因为 1 全球大学没出现呢 2  现在很多大学都有跨国华的影子,因此全球大学不一定必须

PS。老鬼,你的评语tooooooo loooooooong 我没看,.时间太紧了~~~hatty看了就行了~~~

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再说一句。。。这篇文章。。。我其实没看太懂。。。因为语言习惯好像相差很多。。。hinder me from grasping the slightest clue...老鬼评得不错:是社会问题而不是教育问题。

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实际上 这道题目我基本上是持怀疑和否定观点的 所以也许我现在不太适合对肯定观点的文章做评价:

我对这道题目本身疑问非常多的。或者换个角度说:Why global university? What is the difference between "global university" and "university"?你的文章(尤其是第一段),到底论证的是"we should establish a university"还是"we should establish a global university"?而最出发点上的:到底什么是global university??你说了吗?你没说的话,别人的默认概念和你的默认概念是一样的吗?

有着这么多的疑问 而又想要一篇肯定观点的文章来说服我的话 我自然是希望看到"必要性"的。

而第一段里面 There are big social problems. In these cases, only people with full capability can solve the problems. So we should establish a global univ. to produce these people.(恐怕这里中间那句和only people from global univs can solve the problems也差不多了)

是这样写好,还是这样写好:A global univ. is the best (or sth) way to produce .... people. These people are advantageous over those produced by other traditional univs in that.... This advantage enable them to more effectively address big social problems. For example (实例顶上来)...

前后所要表达的几乎是同样的意思,但为什么看到前面的时候,我就是忍不住要问:“凭什么?”前后的差异究竟在哪里?为什么我总觉得这篇文章很奇怪?前面那个版本是不是某些程度上有些beg the question了?

或者说 To solve these big social problems..... require .... people. And thus the necessity of developing a global univ lies here: it is global univ that produce such people. Bla bla ....

也许你的第一段的叙述顺序 只有几个关键词:先There is 再only 最后so,却让整个语气和语气后面透露的思维路线显得大为诡异呢?

而第三段的definitely两句同样:为什么就是这样?你所叙述的两句都不是"客观事实",而是你的看法,却只给出来而没有旁侧支持,那我就不免质疑了。

这篇文章至少我现在看 虽然通篇都在宣扬应该建立global univ 却不让我信服的。——当然,这里掺入了个人观点的因素。

关于充分性和必要性的问题暂且留存 也许以后还能再找到例子专门分析一下。你现在所说的充分和必要和我所说的充分和必要所指代的恐怕还不完全一样(我还没能完全分析清楚),这个样子没法讨论的。
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谢谢鬼谷子, lakeqian ,imong 的热心点评和很棒的见解!~~~

我再仔细瞅瞅去~~(今天到现在还没有睡觉呢。。。大脑有些混乱了)

另外,to naiba369:文章快被拍成相片了,你批批倒是真的!~我们一起讨论哈~~

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