issue 36 (prepare for 207--9)

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36 "The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."

In my opinion, when consider the greatness of history figures; we should base on a relm-by-relm analysing. So I don't agree with the speaker's assertion that greatness of individuals can only decided by their offspring, in reality, for the realm of political or art, the greatness of individuals can be known by their contemporaries.

When learn through the history of human beings, we can find that in the field of politics, the greatness of political leader are always decided by their contemporaries not following people. The responsibility of political leaders is leading their people to a democratic, freely, and modern society. So people who live in the same times can appreciate their leaders since the progress and prosperity of a society can be easily discovered. A good example is Roosevelt who was famous for his new deal, which helped the nation overcome the great depression. People in that time can truly find their lives changes and understand that it was due to their great president's lead. In fact, his success was known by the citizens in that time and people of the nation also granted their hero high value. His leadership was decided sufficient and right by his contemporaries, what 's more he was the only president in the United Nations who had been re-elected four times.  Hence, for the most situations in political field, outstanding leadership is decided by their contemporaries.

As far as I am concerned, another realm, in which the greatness of individuals are also be decided by contemporaries is arts.  Actually, as soon as artist’s works appears, we can find the comments of them.  People who live in the same era can estimate an artist's greatness by observing whether his/her artwork is popular and of high merits.  For instance, the famous musician Mozart had got world's welcome and respects for his talent in music and excellent symphonies even when he was very young. Similarly, Mark Twain, his novel was so popular in his times and he was also got high reputation of his contemporaries. His writing styles had influence more than one generation of American writer. From what I have stated above, we can see that for the realm of arts, people's greatness also be judged by their contemporaries.

Admittedly, in other domains, such as the realm of science, the greatness of individuals sometimes can only be recognized by people who live after them, a good example for my assertion is Copernicus who insisted the geocentric theory. Even until Copernicus lost his live, he was thought as madman by his contemporaries and most people couldn’t understand his contribution to the scientific history. In this realm since the lack of background knowledge, not each person can understand great scientists' thinking, which always go beyond common people's ability.  Due to the limitation, some scientists' greatness can only be decided by people who live after them when both scientific research and people's knowledge have reached to a certain level.

In sum, the speaker was too superficial to draw the conclusion that in all realms, the greatness of individuals are known by their offspring, when it refers to scientific realm, we can say that, while for the realm of political and arts things are different.

DarrenYangUID: 191179

也先声明，偶是才来几天的菜鸟，LSD表K我。。。我还不会用那个什么彩色东西改文章。

题目的理解：
偶写这个的话，会抓住题目中only这个词。太绝对的东西一般都错了。写的时候也要注意措辞，打倒一个事务，一个反例就够了。其实在文中提到的political and art realm 都存在后人评价的一些事例。
When learn through the history of human beings, we can find that in the field of politics, the greatness of political leader are always decided by their contemporaries not following people.
这句话有点绝对，always这个词，其实只要有同代人评论同代leader的事例即可了。中国人也经常喜欢说，成败忠奸留给后世评价吧。
Hence, for the most situations in political field, outstanding leadership is decided by their contemporaries 这个就注意到了。其实这个统计也没人做过吧。
退步中写到科学领域，用了sometimes就很好了。
其实就是一个语气的问题，can 即可，不需要always can。不要太绝对了，只要有一个反例就OK了。

一些语法（个人意见）：
第一段：
relm-by-relm 是这样写吗？我不知道这个。。。是不是realm的笔误？
第二段：
the greatness of political leader are （is)
to a democratic, freely, and modern society   （free)
new deal  还是觉得policy好，罗斯福新政。
People in that time can truly find    （could)

第三段
Actually, as soon as artist’s works appears, we can find the comments of them. （前后单复形式，appears 和 them)
world's welcome  (world welcome就可以吧？ world可以做adj）
His writing styles had influence  （infulenced)
people's greatness also be judged by their contemporaries.  （people's greatness is also judged..)

第四段：
not each person can understand great scientists' thinking,  （个人认为not every person比较好）
which always go beyond common people's ability.  （goes)

第五段：
we can say that   （we may say that 可能更好）

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谢谢DarrenYang的认真评改，意见很中肯啊:p

偶写这个的话，会抓住题目中only这个词。太绝对的东西一般都错了。写的时候也要注意措辞，打倒一个事务，一个反例就够了。其实在文中提到的political and art realm 都存在后人评价的一些事例。
When learn through the history of human beings, we can find that in the field of politics, the greatness of political leader are always decided by their contemporaries not following people.
这句话有点绝对，always这个词，其实只要有同代人评论同代leader的事例即可了。中国人也经常喜欢说，成败忠奸留给后世评价吧。
Hence, for the most situations in political field, outstanding leadership is decided by their contemporaries 这个就注意到了。其实这个统计也没人做过吧
说的很对，我写得实在是比较绝对化了，我想，对于political and arts realm,还是应该写成当时和后代都能评论的观点比较好，全文的ts改为：for the realm of political or art, the greatness of individuals also can be known by their contemporaries.会比较好.还有后面的有些地方应该加上may,might 会比较好。

relm-by-relm 是这样写吗？我不知道这个。。。是不是realm的笔误？
呵呵，这不好意思，这个词是我造的，主要是想到case-by-case就没有考证它的正确性了。

new deal 还是觉得policy好，罗斯福新政
这个个人认为还是用New Deal.查了下大百科，就是用的New Deal.

再次感谢!
ps.帖子变色工具很好用的，可以节省copy的时间，在本版就能下载:p

DarrenYangUID: 191179

不好意思，说实话，偶还没写过issue，才进门的bird，望以后多赐教。。。

LSDUID: 157855

呵呵，互相帮助:p