同主题写作第四期issue144 artists&critics

davidjackyUID: 135962

最初由 G猫 发布
[B]我的第二篇issue，第一次限时写的时候就写的这篇，本来还想写批评家贡献的艺术理论知识也是具有lasting value的东西，但是没来得及写，那时似乎还不知道咋逻辑，应该写得不..

以下省略...... [/B]

这篇文章先浮起来，过些时间再看看

MadheroUID: 125272

给社会的价值？并非艺术价值。艺术价值无疑是artist创造的，但society价值应该是两者都起作用。但给society的价值究竟是什么？Lasting value,何谓lasting value? 评论家会带来艺术品价格的上涨，但并非lasting。无评论家发现，作品会被埋没，也无法lasting。过于确定具体的都难以lasting，唯有晦涩抽象的，一般性的才能lasting，需要critic解释？一解释就具体了，且局限于时代，难以lasting。我要崩溃了，脑子一团乱中...

Mars3000UID: 198477

交作业了！ 3.14

My position:
总体上支持：艺术家即便不是比评论家更重要的话，至少也是同等重要。
A．让步，承认评论家以其特有的视角发现艺术作品的价值
B．介定何为艺术的恒久价值。提出价值是有艺术家创造的，具有客观性，评论家只是帮助人们认识到本以存在的事物。
C．探讨两种意义上艺术家与评论家的作用
总结：呼吁人们对艺术家给予更多的关注。

请多提宝贵意见
https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255453

mondiaUID: 193825

占座先
发现图书馆真有很多相关的书..

刚才浏览时想到的,
在古籍中,比如白话小说
象金圣叹,毛宗岗对四大名著的点评也可算得上是艺术了吧--"批评艺术"
而很少再会有批评家对他们两位再来一次点评了吧

另一方面
不是他们发现了名著的价值,
(天下有慧眼的"才子"还是很多的,)
他们只是阐发一下自己对作品的"品尝",
而一旦结合他们的点评再一遍来读原著,
就别有一番"风味"了

再
朱熹对儒家著作的注释其影响岂不堪比原著..


为什么一定要举老外的例子呢?
估计没几个知道金圣叹,毛宗岗,朱熹

无语了........

so猫UID: 148633

最初由 davidjacky 发布
[B]To 猫，你的文章看了，记得把修改意见看完后写好的整文重新贴到你原文的楼内，谢谢[/B]

好 我改了就贴啊
这两天还在郁闷狗狗提纲 等两天好不好
快考了
谢谢你哈 你还谢我做虾米咧~~~
我才要好好谢谢你们才是呢~~~~

要是考得有5分偶就冲过来请大家吃饭好啦 呵呵~

dream a dreamUID: 198106

根据大家的意见，我修改了我的文章，居然最后有730字之多。考试的时候肯定是写不出这么多的，不过这些讨论打开了我的思路。而且david斑竹给我的意见很好，就是要展开论证，不能贫乏说理。

kkytUID: 188814

交作业
ID kkyt
观点 完全同意
B1艺术作品是客观的，其自身的价值决定了它的perpetual而不是评论家的评论使其长久的。
B2评论家是主观的，不同的人有不同的观点，而且容易被当局利用替政府鼓吹。

B3 承认评论家有能帮助人们认识作品发觉作品的新价值。
Beethoven; Chao Xueqin and the dream of red chamber; Wu Chen En and Record of a journey to the west

yiyi2005UID: 192894

ID yiyi2005
提纲:观点:艺术家带来lasting value
b1要根据艺术的对社会的价值来看
b2因为是艺术家创造了这些价值,所以artists带来lasting value
b3评论家的作用在于发掘并向大众介绍,在这个层面上讲,也有一些value
Shakspeare, Beethoveen, van Gogh

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255614

huijuan1210UID: 200139

Issue 144
Who really gives us something of lasting value, the artist or the critic? The speaker prefer the former. However, while I agree with the speaker as there are innumberable great works of artists, one can never ignore contribution of the critic. And on the other hand, sometimes the artist and the critic is inextriable to each other.

I wholeheartly agree with the speaker that the artist provides us plenty of lasting value works. There are a myriad of great works, which we will never forget. Today, as hundreds years after the death of Beethoven, his symphonies are familiar not only by musician but also ordinary people; da Vinci’s Mona lisa’s smile impressed millions of viewers; Shakespear’s “Hemlet” is never out-dated; ballet of Swanlake is the most favorable dance and still performed every year; poems of Tagore are translated into hundreds of languages and spread in the whole world; novels of Mark Twain are famous of its faith, strength, courage and criticism to capitalism. In the history of arts, there are thousands pieces of works which we feel proud of. All of these great works have long-lasting effect and not only epidemic but also international clout.

However, the critic also has undeniable contibution to the society. Some may argue that one can list hundreds of lasting value works of artisits, and can hardly remember even one name of the critic. I concede that few ordinary people can name a critic if they are not in the professional field, but this does not mean the critic doesn’t have any long-lasting infulence in arts. One can look no further than different styles of music. Any one can simply list out several distinct types of music: classic music, R&B, blue, jazz, hip hop, etc. How are these types defined? By work of the critic. To some extent, the critic acts as a taxonomist, whose personal opinion, if accepted widely, may have long term impact of evaluation of the arts. On the other hand, the critic contributes valuable suggestions to the artist, and therefore improve the works of the artist and thus propel the progress of the arts. In short, the long lasting valuse of contribution of the critic is not apparent but latent. In this sense, we shall appreciate the work of the critic even more as they may not stay in people’s memory as artists.   

Moreover, sometimes it is difficult to treat one as an entire artist or a critic. Most of the artists have done some discussion or criticism about other artists, which means they did the job of the critic. And also, it is common that famous artists are invited as judges to a competition. During the competition, the artists give the participations advises, praise, and even criticisms. At that moment, the artists also play the role of critic. On the other hand, some critics themselves are eminent artists and did great jobs in their own realm. In short, the characters of the artist and the critic are switchable.

In sum, it is improper to assert that only the artist, not the critic contributes to society something of lasting value. Both of the character provides us imponderous works, either apparent or latent. Moreover, sometimes the roles of the artist and the critic are exchangeable. Thus, both of the artists and the critic gives us something of lasting value.

arhooUID: 180462

ID:Arhoo
观点：反对！critics也give lasting value to society
Body:1.这段在讲什么自己也不知道
     2.某些艺术品的价值来自critics的独到见解
     3.critics在批判问题作品的时候提出的标准有价值

两天没写issue了，今天花了好久写出这么篇东西来…… 我这个自负狂也只剩下沮丧的份儿了。还没开始限时呢……

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255653

山坡羊UID: 169978

极其郁闷中……这几天作文碰到坚冰了，一直在调整思路，所以今天才写同主题，也没发改作文……
但刚才试写144居然失败，才写了12分就停了——老天，这还是我写过的呢，第一篇限时的！

主要是不明白not but型的可不可以说两者都有价值，这样算不算没跑题，我正努力找答案，若斑竹和大家能回答以下更好，谢谢！

快考了，越来越急！

davidjackyUID: 135962

最初由 山坡羊 发布
[B]极其郁闷中……这几天作文碰到坚冰了，一直在调整思路，所以今天才写同主题，也没发改作文……
但刚才试写144居然失败，才写了12分就停了——老天，这还是我写过的呢，第?.

以下省略...... [/B]

不要担心，好好准备，自信一点。
这类题目可以随便发挥，具体的说就是把你要阐述的论点说清楚即可，不要顾此失彼，结构平衡好就可以color]

naiba369UID: 131655

最初由 mondia 发布
[B]占座先
发现图书馆真有很多相关的书..

刚才浏览时想到的,
在古籍中,比如白话小说
象金圣叹,毛宗岗对四大名著的点评也可算得上是艺术了吧--"批评艺术"
而很少再会有?.

以下省略...... [/B]

嘿嘿，偶知道一二

:D

最好还是写外国的例子，就算是一种学习吧

山坡羊UID: 169978

谢谢davidjacky! 可以自然发挥，那我放心了！我只要算回应题就可以了吧。
这几天束手束脚，什么都不敢写了，怕跑题。本来早该睡觉了，但想想必须把它想通才能睡着！

to naibai369: 你要考5t？gre还是先不考了吗？加油！5t共同努力！

MadheroUID: 125272

现在才写出来，真是惭愧
立场：不同意题目观点，artist和critic都给社会带来lasting value
B1:artist给社会带来的价值，作品的美学价值给人们带来美的享受，使人心情愉快，激励人们努力奋斗；其深刻寓意可以提高社会道德感，使人思考人生的价值，并为社会做出贡献。
B2:很多经典之作由于深刻晦涩，难以被人们直接理解，就需要评论家的解释，没有评论家慧眼识珠，好作品则很容易被错过从而失去造成lasting value的机会。
B3:评论家建立了艺术作品的评价标准，评价标准本身虽然不是lasing的，但其带来的影响能够lasting。标准的作用：作品多，起筛选作用，体现了社会的审美观和价值观，并引导了艺术家的创作（好像这是负面影响？），使之符合社会的需要       

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