issue138 同主题~~~个人感觉逻辑与题目扣的不错

ayrieUID: 128476

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

1 定义mistake为unpredictable fault,
2 抓住unpredictable ，证明由于discovery是unpredictable 的，所以only through mistakes can make discoery
3 由于progress是可以预测的，所以不能用only.

个人感觉逻辑与题目扣的不错，拍拍~~

The author uses the term "only" to emphasis that "only "through mistakes can there be discovery or progress. In my point of view, this issue depends on the definition of the term "mistake" while call for a case by case analysis.

First of all, the notion of "mistake" must to identify in order to discuss this issue. Mistake can be understood by its broad definition and its narrow definition. If the term "mistake" means something error or out all predicated that beyond people's imagination, in this meaning, mistake is a broad definition about anything that out of people's thought. Therefore, I agree with the author that discovery might come only from mistakes, but against that the progress is only made by mistakes too.

In this broad definition of mistake, we can assert that only through mistakes can there be discovery.  Because the term "discovery” means something are not known or understand yet, therefore discovery cannot be predicated or calculate by anyone. Therefore, only by the unpredictable mistakes that can people make discovery. For instance, Columbus discovered the American by the mistaken imagination that he can find a new way to India. Also, before Rontgen found the new microwave X-ray, people at his time did not know this kind of rays at all. Rontgen just wanted to explore some iron-contained metal under a black cover material, it was a mistake that he put the stone contained U235 (one of the high element Uranium), and the next he found his data irregular that there is something can transfer the black cover material, that is X-ray, he make this discovery. In short, just because discovery can not be calculated or predicated, people only though mistakes can make discovery.

But as to the progress, it is totally different. I disagree that "only" through mistakes can there be progress. We can make progress by a myriad of alternative aspects, such as the well-designed program, the correctly-calculated formula, can also contribute to the progress. The reason is simple to see, progress can be predicated, such as the Apollo project, which make the significant progress on human history, is predated thoroughly with thousands of hundreds of companies and a myriad of scientists cooperated together for many years. Therefore, it is not merely though mistakes that human being can lunch on the moon, although we can get many critical experiences from mistakes as the Apollo 11th was exploded. The term “only” to emphasis that mistakes play the vital role in progress is unreasonable.


In sum, depend on the definition that the term "mistake" means the unpredictable fault, I agree with the author that discovery might come only from mistakes, but progress comes not only from mistakes.

ayrieUID: 128476

flap
来点砖，快考试了
感觉这样写太咬文嚼字

victoriazhizhiUID: 163135

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

1 定义mistake为unpredictable fault,
2 抓住unpredictable ，证明由于discovery是unpredictable 的，所以only through mistakes can make discovery为啥因果？
3 由于progress是可以预测的，所以不能用only.

个人感觉逻辑与题目扣的不错，拍拍~~

The author uses the term "only" to emphasis that "only "through mistakes can there be discovery or progress. 这句…啥也没说啊In my point of view, this issue depends on the definition of the term "mistake" while call for a case by case analysis.

First of all, the notion of "mistake" must to identify in order to discuss this issue. Mistake can be understood by its broad definition and its narrow definition. If the term "mistake" means something error or out all predicated that beyond people's imagination, in this meaning, mistake is a broad definition about anything that out of people's thought. 既然是你自己在定义，何必说广义和狭义？然后只给出来一个定义。不如直接解释下这就是mistakeTherefore, I agree with the author that discovery might come only from mistakes, but against that the progress is only made by mistakes too. 恩，和别人观点不同，把discovery和progress拆开说

In this broad definition of mistake, we can assert that only through mistakes can there be discovery. Because the term "discovery” means something are not known or understand yet, therefore discovery cannot be predicated or calculate by anyone. Therefore, 同看提纲的疑问，为啥就therefore？不能预测就必须经过错误才有发现么？不能逐步的成功，慢慢发现么？不能在各种程序都正确的情况下一点一点发现么？这个因果关系看不出来，解释下only by the unpredictable mistakes that can people make discovery. For instance, Columbus discovered the American by the mistaken imagination that he can find a new way to India. Also, before Rontgen found the new microwave X-ray, people at his time did not know this kind of rays at all. Rontgen just wanted to explore some iron-contained metal under a black cover material, it was a mistake that he put the stone contained U235 (one of the high element Uranium), and the next he found his data irregular that there is something can transfer the black cover material, that is X-ray, he make this discovery. In short, just because discovery can not be calculated or predicated, people only though mistakes can make discovery.例子还不错，挺新颖，但是对于你的论点的因果关系我一直没明白，所以觉得你的例子说服力还是差了点。这样的感觉就是那些discovery是碰巧发现的，当然也说明了unpredicted，你的意思就是说discovery就是有些碰巧的含义吧，所以都是干别的事儿的时候出现了错误才幸运的发现了另外一件事儿？但是和必须要mistake的联系还是牵强了点。

But as to the progress, it is totally different. I disagree that "only" through mistakes can there be progress. We can make progress by a myriad of alternative aspects, such as the well-designed program, the correctly-calculated formula, can also contribute to the progress. The reason is simple to see, progress can be predicated, such as the Apollo project, which make the significant progress on human history, is predated thoroughly with thousands of hundreds of companies and a myriad of scientists cooperated together for many years. Therefore, it is not merely though mistakes that human being can lunch on the moon,这个不是only的东西是重点，建议好好说一下，还有很多因素，不断的进步，有很多成功的经验借鉴之类 although we can get many critical experiences from mistakes as the Apollo 11th was exploded. The term “only” to emphasis that mistakes play the vital role in progress is unreasonable.


In sum, depend on the definition that the term "mistake" means the unpredictable fault, I agree with the author that discovery might come only from mistakes, but progress comes not only from mistakes.结尾建议表和开头太像了，有些重复的感觉，换个表达吧
思路很新颖啊，基本上还是不错，但是对于B1我觉得那个因果关系上有些牵强，怎么说呢？感觉模糊的明白你的意思，而且看起来好像就是你说的那样，但是不太经得起推敲。觉得对于那块再加点理论论据，可以更详细，更让人信服。结尾仓促了点。加油噢！

ayrieUID: 128476

最初由 victoriazhizhi 发布
[B]138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

1 定义mistake为unpredictable fault,
2 抓住unpredictable ，证明由于discovery是unpredictable 的..

以下省略...... [/B]

我对discovery的定义就是unpredicated的，包括偶然的

victoriazhizhiUID: 163135

所以我不明白啊 为什么unpredicated的就 必须要通过错误来发现呢
这个因果是怎么成立的？请赐教
你写的感觉上 就是 discovery就是在做另外一件事儿的时候 made mistake 然后导致了一个别的discovery