issue138 同主题7,有拍必回.

xuding_godUID: 179213

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery and progress, for the reason that lessons learned from mistakes contribute to acquiring desirable ways of solving problems for human beings. However, under some circumstances, discovery and progress does not necessarily spring from mistakes. Besides, not every trial and error definitely results in advancement and discovery.我觉得这样的开头太模糊了，给我的感觉是不知道你的观点到底是那个，第一段声明一个主观点就好，其余的可以在文章中体现嘛

(从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一) Galileo
Learning lessons from mistakes accords with normal process in which people recognize and understand the world around us这个从句语法好象有问题. In retrospect, the history of science is essentially a history of trials and errors. Numerous progresses result from ceaseless efforts to overcome one setback after another. In the realm of physical science, most great scientific accomplishments build on prior ones, challenging and disproving old theories, and consequently setting up new ones. A case in point is Galileo, an Italian physicists and astronomers. He pointed out the theory of tantamount speed of falling objects despite their masses, correcting the established but mistaken thoughts of Aristotle, which asserted that falling speed of things varies according to their weights. As for the realm of politics, progress comes from dissention and challenge. Through ceaselessly challenging mistaken notions of established institution, human beings gradually realize the concept of "democracy, freedom, and equity" proposed in the period of Ancient Greece.这段的理论论述不错，就是觉得例子不是很能说服我，改成爱迪生发明电灯还好些，个人观点哈

（从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件，在艺术领域，艺术家的成就来源于艺术家对自然对社会的认识）印象派,贝多芬
On the other hand, my points of contention with the speaker involve making mistakes is not the prerequisite for discovery and progress. When it comes to the art, artistic accomplishment has little to do with mistakes for the reason that new types of art are independent of priors ones. For supportive example, we should look no further than the art of Impression. Impressionist, such as Monet, Magnet, Von Gogh and the like concentrated on the play of light over objects and stressed vivid contrasts between colors in sunlight and shade. Their achievements did not stem from correcting mistakes of their prior artists, but rather from their distinctive feelings and perspectives to the nature. Similarly, German composer Beethoven completed Ninth Symphony, a work which summarizes much of his achievement and influence, even after losing hearing. The vision of struggle and triumph manifested in this work comes from Beethoven's confidence encountering paramount difficulties in hit own spirit, which does not deny musicians before him. As it is discussed above, there exit many methods for progress and discovery aside from learning lessons of mistakes, such as inspiration from life and nature, to lead to progress and discovery.

（不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度）永动机,能量守恒定律
Another problem with the speaker's claim is that not every mistakes definitely result in progress and discovery, for the reason that whether trials and errors lead to progress and discovery largely depends on the attitude toward mistakes of people. Faced with mistakes, some people feel disappointed and have no courage to go ahead continuously. While some other people believe mistakes automatically and definitely lead to progress and discovery, and blindly stick to fundamentally absurd theories before. For example, attempt of inviting perpetual motion machine in history made by scientists, which opposes the law of conservation of energy, was doomed to fail in spite of ceaselessly correcting mistakes. Therefore, it requires comprehensive and profound analysis about the real reasons why mistakes happen. Mistake itself does not necessarily mean the ultimate progress and discovery.

To sum up, to err is human. In the history of people's recognizing the world, mistakes cannot be avoided by human beings. Mistakes are regarded as one of primary ways for progress and discovery. Besides, sound and health attitude toward errors and trials plays an indispensable role on the ultimate constructive progress and discovery.

楼主的文笔不错呀，要好好向你学习，艺术家那段写得很不错的说．只是整个文章看下了觉得论点不是太清楚呢，开头两个让步我就有点晕了，Ｂ１看你赞成的蛮不错，接下了b2就提出疑义了，b3有是一个对Ｂ１的补充，给人感觉就好象你建立了一个论点，然后想马上又推翻他，却又舍不得感觉．只是鄙人拙见，不当之处谅解．
麻烦楼主也狠狠拍拍我的巴，谢谢：https://bbs.gter.net/showthread....threadid=258943

猫猫624UID: 171232

最初由 天晴了 发布
[B]【猫猫抓的是only through, 主要分两点：
同意只有吸取教训 才能进步， 反对只要吸取教训 就能进步？？是吗？】

以下省略...... [/B]

分三点,还有进步不一定由错误得来

【小声问一句，猫猫是纯艺术还是设计？】
呵呵,艺术设计.不是纯艺术,结合艺术与实际.


【art好像没有谁比谁进步之说，我觉得，既然是independent的，没有后来的就比以前的发展了，这个好像和题目不太对位Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress 这个discovery or progress好像很难在艺术上体现，个人意见，讨论！！艺术的成就无法用discovery or progress来形容吧～～】

艺术怎么会没有进步呢?艺术的发展是和社会,经济,包括政治紧密挂沟的.
例如在政治压迫时代下,会产生许多为政治家服务的艺术,例如现今世界上某个一党专政国家.呵呵,不要多想.我认为一定程度上他就算是艺术的倒退.

在崇尚自由的国家里,例如我们都为之奋斗的米国,才会出先真正艺术繁荣进步的景象.

要说发现可能有点不适合,但我想新的艺术流派的出现即人们从另外的角度来表现内心的情感,不也可以说是一种发现吗.好象有点牵强,但也可以说通吧.呵呵

见谅,占点艺术的人都有自以为是的细胞.

猫猫624UID: 171232

最初由 xuding_god 发布
[B]138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery a..

以下省略...... [/B]

我的观点大致说一下.

第二段指出从错误中吸取教训有助与进步,定一个基调.

接下来是论述反面
驳斥错误是成功的唯一途径,首先进步并不一定由失败而来.我的第二段,即错误不是进步的必要条件.
然后失败也不意味着一定成功.我的第三段.即错误不是进步的充分条件.

我的理论就是驳斥错误与进步之间即没有充分也没有必然关系.

虽然题目好象只要论述失败与进步之间的必然关系,但是我觉的把他们之间的关系论述清楚应该不算跑题.这个观点在同主题给的范文里也有.

谢谢大家给我看文章,今天已经回改了七八篇了.脑子实在不行了.明天给你看.见谅.

天晴了UID: 201592

最初由 猫猫624 发布
[B][QUOTE]最初由 天晴了 发布
[B]【猫猫抓的是only through, 主要分两点：
同意只有吸取教训 才能进步， 反对只要吸取教训 就能进步？？是吗？】

以下省略........

以下省略...... [/B]

嗯有道理



:)  :)  :)   握手 哪方面设计啊？？

帮我拍拍130那篇吧  猫猫有空时～:)

deserteagleUID: 201968

No.1 issue138 同主题7,有拍必回.
138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery and progress, for the reason that lessons learned from mistakes contribute to acquiring desirable ways of solving problems for human beings. However, under some circumstances, discovery and progress does not necessarily spring from mistakes. Besides, not every trial and error definitely results in advancement and discovery.

(从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一) Galileo
Learning lessons from mistakes accords with normal process in which people recognize and understand the world around us. In retrospect, the history of science is essentially a history of trials and errors. Numerous progresses result from ceaseless efforts to overcome one setback after another. In the realm of physical science, most great scientific accomplishments build on prior ones, challenging and disproving old theories, and consequently setting up new ones. A case in point is Galileo, an Italian physicists and astronomers [B]去掉s[/B] . He pointed out the theory of tantamount speed of falling objects despite their masses, correcting the established but mistaken thoughts of Aristotle, which asserted that falling speed of things varies according to their weights. As for the realm of politics, progress comes from dissention and challenge. Through ceaselessly challenging mistaken notions of established institution, human beings gradually realize the concept of "democracy, freedom, and equity" proposed in the period of Ancient Greece感觉这句话放这怪怪的,ceaselessly challenging 和the concept 这个结论得出有点突然了.

（从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件，在艺术领域，艺术家的成就来源于艺术家对自然对社会的认识）印象派,贝多芬
On the other hand, my points of contention with the speaker involve making mistakes is not the prerequisite for discovery and progress. When it comes to the art, artistic accomplishment has little to do with mistakes for the reason that new types of art are independent of priors ones. For supportive example, we should look no further than the art of Impression. Impressionist, such as Monet, Magnet, Von Gogh and the like concentrated on the play of light over objects and stressed vivid contrasts between colors in sunlight and shade. Their achievements did not stem from correcting mistakes of their prior artists, but rather from their distinctive feelings and perspectives to the nature. Similarly, German composer Beethoven completed Ninth Symphony, a work which summarizes much of his achievement and influence, even after losing hearing. The vision of struggle and triumph manifested in this work comes from Beethoven's confidence encountering paramount difficulties in hit hittingown spirit, which does not deny musicians before him. As it is discussed above, there exit many methods for progress and discovery aside from learning lessons of mistakes, such as inspiration from life and nature, to lead to progress and discovery好多好例子啊,admire 楼主.

（不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度）永动机,能量守恒定律
Another problem with the speaker's claim is that not every mistakes definitely result in progress and discovery, for the reason that whether trials and errors lead to progress and discovery largely depends on the attitude toward mistakes of people. Faced with mistakes, some people feel disappointed and have no courage to go ahead continuously. While some other people believe mistakes automatically and definitely lead to progress and discovery, and(好像用and这个连词不大合语法吧,前面是从句,而这个句子好像没有主语:))  blindly stick to fundamentally absurd theories before. For example, attempt of inviting perpetual -motion machine in history made by scientists, which opposes the law of conservation of energy, was doomed to fail in spite of ceaselessly correcting mistakes. Therefore, it requires comprehensive and profound analysis about the real reasons why mistakes happen. Mistake itself does not necessarily mean the ultimate progress and discovery.

To sum up, to err is human好像这个总结句和要讨论的是不是只有失败才能导致成功的主题有点不一样,个人感觉是这样的(,. In the history of people's recognizing the world, mistakes cannot be avoided by human beings. Mistakes are regarded as one of primary ways for progress and discovery. Besides, sound and health color=#0009ff]healthy?[attitude toward errors and trials plays an indispensable role on the ultimate constructive progress and discovery.

个人感觉基本上都只是些小错误吧,admire 楼主的论述和那么多例子:)尤其是例子的来源比较多样化

wanzatheUID: 168928

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery and progress, for the reason that lessons learned from mistakes contribute to acquiring desirable ways of solving problems for human beings. However, under some circumstances, discovery and progress does not necessarily spring from mistakes. Besides, not every trial and error 这里trail和mistake不是一个意思吧? definitely results in advancement and discovery.

(从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一) Galileo
Learning lessons from mistakes accords with normal process in which people recognize and understand the world around us. In retrospect, the history of science is essentially a history of trials and errors. Numerous progresses result from ceaseless efforts to overcome one setback after another. In the realm of physical science, most great scientific accomplishments build on prior ones, challenging and disproving old theories, and consequently setting up new ones. A case in point is Galileo, an Italian physicists and astronomers. He pointed out the theory of tantamount speed of falling objects despite their masses, correcting the established but mistaken thoughts of Aristotle, which asserted that falling speed of things varies according to their weights. As for the realm of politics, progress comes from dissention and challenge. Through ceaselessly challenging mistaken notions of established institution, human beings gradually realize the concept of "democracy, freedom, and equity" proposed in the period of Ancient Greece. 对于伽利略的例子,感觉并突出他如何从错误中取得进步,更明显得是他敢于挑战权威,不知道还有没有更好得例子,比如说诺贝尔发明炸药得时候经历了很多得失败,通过慢慢总结经验教训,终于成功.找例子是我得最大弱点

（从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件，在艺术领域，艺术家的成就来源于艺术家对自然对社会的认识）印象派,贝多芬
On the other hand, my points of contention with the speaker involve making mistakes is not the prerequisite for discovery and progress. When it comes to the art, artistic accomplishment has little to do with mistakes for the reason that new types of art are independent of priors ones. For supportive example, we should look no further than the art of Impression. Impressionist, such as Monet, Magnet, Von Gogh and the like concentrated on the play of light over objects and stressed vivid contrasts between colors in sunlight and shade. Their achievements did not stem from correcting mistakes of their prior artists, but rather from their distinctive feelings and perspectives to the nature. Similarly, German composer Beethoven completed Ninth Symphony, a work which summarizes much of his achievement and influence, even after losing hearing. The vision of struggle and triumph manifested in this work comes from Beethoven's confidence encountering paramount difficulties in hit own spirit, which does not deny musicians before him. As it is discussed above, there exit many methods for progress and discovery aside from learning lessons of mistakes, such as inspiration from life and nature, to lead to progress and discovery. 有些学科确实是没有对错之分的,没有mistake,不过写贝多芬那一部分看的有点糊涂

（不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度）永动机,能量守恒定律
Another problem with the speaker's claim is that not every mistakes definitely result in progress and discovery, for the reason that whether trials and errors lead to progress and discovery largely depends on the attitude toward mistakes of people. Faced with mistakes, some people feel disappointed and have no courage to go ahead continuously. While some other people believe mistakes automatically and definitely lead to progress and discovery, and blindly stick to fundamentally absurd theories before. For example, attempt of inviting perpetual motion machine in history made by scientists, which opposes the law of conservation of energy, was doomed to fail in spite of ceaselessly correcting mistakes. Therefore, it requires comprehensive and profound analysis about the real reasons why mistakes happen. Mistake itself does not necessarily mean the ultimate progress and discovery. 分析的细致,例子也是恰到好处

To sum up, to err is human. In the history of people's recognizing the world, mistakes cannot be avoided by human beings. Mistakes are regarded as one of primary ways for progress and discovery. Besides, sound and health attitude toward errors and trials plays an indispensable role on the ultimate constructive progress and discovery.

楼主文章写的很好,其中的例子也正是我要学习的东西,收获不小,呵呵

寻梦UID: 171591

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery and progress, for the reason that lessons learned from mistakes contribute to acquiring desirable ways of solving problems for human beings. However, under some circumstances, discovery and progress does not necessarily spring from mistakes. Besides, not every trial and error definitely results in advancement and discovery.

(从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一) Galileo
Learning lessons from mistakes accords with normal process in which people recognize and understand the world around us. In retrospect, the history of science is essentially a history of trials and errors. Numerous progresses result from ceaseless efforts to overcome one setback after another. In the realm of physical science, most great scientific accomplishments build on prior ones, challenging and disproving old theories, and consequently setting up new ones. A case in point is Galileo, an Italian physicists and astronomers. He pointed out the theory of tantamount speed of falling objects despite their masses, correcting the established but mistaken thoughts of Aristotle, which asserted that falling speed of things varies according to their weights. As for the realm of politics, progress comes from dissention and challenge. Through ceaselessly challenging mistaken notions of established institution, human beings gradually realize the concept of "democracy, freedom, and equity" proposed in the period of Ancient Greece.[这段我认为伽利略的例子不是太合适，你该段的主题是 “从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一”，但你在这个例子中并不能很好的表达这个观点，毕竟伽利略是在怀疑的基础上进行的实验，相反地，你的第二个例子倒是一个很不错的例证，充满了血与火得教训，但可惜的是没有论证详细]

（从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件，在艺术领域，艺术家的成就来源于艺术家对自然对社会的认识）印象派,贝多芬
On the other hand, my points of contention with the speaker involve making mistakes is not the prerequisite for discovery and progress. When it comes to the art, artistic accomplishment has little to do with mistakes for the reason that new types of art are independent of priors ones. For supportive example, we should look no further than the art of Impression. Impressionist, such as Monet, Magnet, Von Gogh and the like concentrated on the play of light over objects and stressed vivid contrasts between colors in sunlight and shade. Their achievements did not stem from correcting mistakes of their prior artists, but rather from their distinctive feelings and perspectives to the nature. Similarly, German composer Beethoven completed Ninth Symphony, a work which summarizes much of his achievement and influence, even after losing hearing. The vision of struggle and triumph manifested in this work comes from Beethoven's confidence encountering paramount difficulties in hit own spirit, which does not deny musicians before him. As it is discussed above, there exit many methods for progress and discovery aside from learning lessons of mistakes, such as inspiration from life and nature, to lead to progress and discovery. [赞一个！！有一点，作者可以把这上面的分为文学，绘画，音乐这三方面来论证，而不要说是在艺术一个领域，即增强了气势，也可以排除有些流氓老师认为在艺术领域是个特例而进行攻击。呵呵]

（不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度）永动机,能量守恒定律
Another problem with the speaker's claim is that not every mistakes definitely result in progress and discovery, for the reason that whether trials and errors lead to progress and discovery largely depends on the attitude toward mistakes of people. Faced with mistakes, some people feel disappointed and have no courage to go ahead continuously. While some other people believe mistakes automatically and definitely lead to progress and discovery, and blindly stick to fundamentally absurd theories before. For example, attempt of inviting perpetual motion machine in history made by scientists, which opposes the law of conservation of energy, was doomed to fail in spite of ceaselessly correcting mistakes. Therefore, it requires comprehensive and profound analysis about the real reasons why mistakes happen. Mistake itself does not necessarily mean the ultimate progress and discovery.

To sum up, to err is human. In the history of people's recognizing the world, mistakes cannot be avoided by human beings. Mistakes are regarded as one of primary ways for progress and discovery. Besides, sound and health attitude toward errors and trials plays an indispensable role on the ultimate constructive progress and discovery.

nashaUID: 175030

138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery and progress, for the reason that lessons learned from mistakes contribute to acquiring应该是接动词原形吧，改为acquire desirable ways of solving problems for human beings. However, under some circumstances, discovery and progress does改为do not necessarily spring from这个动词词组用的挺新的，好 mistakes. Besides, not every trial and error当场写都能用的这么好，高，学习ing definitely results in advancement and discovery.

(从错误中吸取教训是取得进步的主要方法之一) Galileo
Learning lessons from mistakes accords with normal process in which people recognize and understand the world around us. In retrospect, the history of science is essentially a history of trials and errors. Numerous progresses result from ceaseless efforts to overcome one setback after another. In the realm of physical science, most great scientific accomplishments build on用被动，改为are bulit on prior ones两个ones，不如把这个改为具体点的，如achievements, challenging and disproving old theories, and consequently setting up new ones. A case in point is Galileo, an Italian physicists and astronomers. He pointed out the theory of tantamount speed of falling objects despite their masses, correcting the established but mistaken thoughts of Aristotle, which asserted that falling speed of things varies according to their weights. As for the realm of politics, progress comes from dissention and challenge. Through ceaselessly challenging mistaken notions of established institution, human beings gradually realize the concept of "democracy, freedom, and equity" proposed in the period of Ancient Greece. 政治方面的论述没有对科学方面的论述具体

（从错误中吸取教训不是取得进步的必要条件，在艺术领域，艺术家的成就来源于艺术家对自然对社会的认识）印象派,贝多芬
On the other hand, my points of contention with the speaker involve making mistakes is not the prerequisite for discovery and progress. When it comes to the art, artistic accomplishment has little to do with mistakes for the reason that new types of art are independent of priors ones. For supportive example, we should look no further than the art of Impression. Impressionist, such as Monet, Magnet, Von Gogh and the like concentrated on the play of light over objects and stressed vivid contrasts between colors in sunlight and shade. Their achievements did not stem from同义的替换做的很好 correcting mistakes of their prior artists, but rather from their distinctive feelings and perspectives to the nature. Similarly, German composer Beethoven completed Ninth Symphony, a work which summarizes much of his achievement and influence, even after losing hearing. The vision of struggle and triumph manifested in this work comes from Beethoven's confidence encountering paramount difficulties in hit own spirit, which does not deny musicians before him. As it is discussed above, there exit many methods for progress and discovery aside from learning lessons of mistakes, such as inspiration from life and nature, to lead to progress and discovery.这段非常的具体了，如果时间够的话，还行，一般人可能做不到．我个人觉得没有必要展开的那么详细，个人意见，保留

（不是每个错误都会导致进步和发现。它取决与人们对错误的态度）永动机,能量守恒定律
Another problem with the speaker's claim is that not every mistakes definitely result in progress and discovery, for the reason that whether trials and errors lead to progress and discovery largely depends on the attitude toward mistakes of people. Faced with mistakes, some people feel disappointed and have no courage to go ahead continuously. While some other people believe mistakes automatically and definitely lead to progress and discovery, and blindly stick to fundamentally absurd theories before. For example, attempt of inviting perpetual motion machine in history made by scientists, which opposes the law of conservation of energy, was doomed to fail in spite of ceaselessly correcting mistakes. Therefore, it requires comprehensive and profound analysis about the real reasons why mistakes happen. Mistake itself does not necessarily mean the ultimate progress and discovery. 猫猫的知识面好广啊，音乐，物理，艺术，pfpf

To sum up, to err is human. In the history of people's recognizing the world, mistakes cannot be avoided by human beings. Mistakes are regarded as one of primary ways for progress and discovery. Besides,感觉这里应该是你转折的地方，重申你的观点，用However sound and healthhealthy attitude toward errors and trials plays an indispensable role on the ultimate constructive progress and discovery.

刚才统计了你的字数,有700多,我觉得你的第二段"错误不是唯一获得成功的途径"可以精简点,你写着都有点离题了.呵呵,不过总体语言很不错，尤其是对同义词的替换,spring from, come from, arise from.我和你考试日期差不多,421考,向你学习.期待你的下一篇文章.

猫猫624UID: 171232

最初由 nasha 发布
[B]138"Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."

I fundamentally agree with the speaker insofar as mistakes are primary methods for discovery a..

以下省略...... [/B]

谢谢拍砖.
contribute to 中to 是介词.后面加动名词

还有自己统计没有700字
而且600都不到.可能580左右吧.对那些700字的人我是佩服的四脚朝天,打字速度不快呀.没办法.