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发表于 2005-7-24 22:01:33 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
Issue167 "It is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Complete honesty is not a useful virtue for a politician."

限时,510字左右,未修改完,思路不是很清晰。后来简单修饰了,期待被拍!
提纲:
同意前半句,反对后半句
1 honesty 很 effective (驳 is not a useful virtue)
2 not to tell truth 很必要 (原因)
3 not to tell truth 有时是唯一选择



Admittedly, honesty is a necessary and fundamental character of human being. However, considering the specific position and task that political leader holds, I tend to agree with that some moment not to tell truth is essential and the single choice for a political leader but disagree complete honesty is not a useful virtue.

To begin with, political leader who has honest personality and manage to maintain the great moral lever is more possible to gain great reputations and is easier to call for the public to do something together for his country or nation. Such as George Washington who lead the United States achieved independence from English Authority, and Gandhi who initiated a non-violence movement in India and gained supporting from most of Indians and people from other countries. Another fit example is the eternal Chinese premier of Zhou, who contributed his life to his motherland. He kept great moral standard almost through his life, especially when he was appointed as a large country's premier as we familiar with. He had won unparalleled respect and admire from all Chinese people. After his death, the United Nation decided to low the flag to memorize this effective premier. Even if we can conclude that high moral standards including honesty as a basic virtue do help political lead to do his job more effectively, we can not confirm that the preserved honesty is not essential.

To continue with, there is some time when the honesty can not account for all the effectiveness. In other words, it is inevitable to use vague word instead of the frank honesty. Under certain circumstance, the leader may need to use diplomat pretext to deal with his opponents and sustain a stable public opinion towards some sensitive problems. If he does not preserve the essential fact, he may be rejected by opponents who keep sensitive about his shortcoming or ailments all the time, so he can not executive his function and achieve his goal in time. To administrate the government more effectively, he must choose some facts preserved ensure his behavior is valid and benefit for his nation as well as for his people other than satisfies his own taste, which is the prerequisite for he delayed to tell truth.

To support it, I take Roosevelt Delano, the president of USA in World War Two, for example. When the Great Britain and France confronted with Hitler Germany in danger of extinction, some councilors in USA refused the suggestion that the USA should dispatch its army to fight against Hitler in Europe. Its contemporary president Roltsvel displayed a military map scripted by Germany, which indicated that the next military goal of Germany was the USA. So he succeeded to convince his opponents the coming peril of the United States, as a result the USA took part in the World War Two and we got a peaceful world much earlier than expected. In fact, the vital military map is not true, but we can not condemn Roosevelt Delano did not tell the truth because he had no choice when facing the stubborn councilors, but really felt lucky to have a sensible and wit president.

In conclusion, honesty does help to gain support from the public, but the complete honesty sometimes can not take effect on the emergence things. Therefore, an occasional pretext or delayed truth may be carried out effectively for a broader benefit. We can not take that complete honesty is not effective virtue as a pretext to do the illegitimate things.  (这句话用的有问题,不知对否?)
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发表于 2005-7-24 22:16:10 |只看该作者
偶觉得你最后那句话不怎么流畅..
There is no other way...

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发表于 2005-7-25 10:10:42 |只看该作者
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We can not suspect complete honesty as a useful virtue in order to do illegal things.

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发表于 2005-7-25 14:49:30 |只看该作者
Admittedly, honesty is a necessary and fundamental character of human being. However, considering the specific position and task that political leader holds, I tend to agree with (去掉WITH)that some moment not to tell truth is essential and the single choice for a political leader but disagree complete honesty is not a useful virtue.(第一段就用ADMITTEDLY开始绕了,何时么?我反正没见过。)

To begin with, political leader who has honest personality and manage to maintain the great moral lever(LEVEL) is more possible to gain great reputations and is easier to call for the public to do something together for his country or nation. Such as George Washington who lead(LED) the United States achieved independence from English Authority, and Gandhi who initiated a non-violence movement in India and gained supporting from most of Indians and people from other countries. Another fit example is the eternal Chinese premier of Zhou, who contributed his life to his motherland. He kept great moral standard almost through his life, especially when he was appointed as a large country's premier as we familiar with. He had won unparalleled respect and admire from all Chinese people. After his death, the United Nation decided to low(LOWER) the flag to memorize this effective premier. Even if we can conclude that high moral standards including honesty as a basic virtue do help political lead to do his job more effectively, we can not confirm that the preserved honesty is not essential.

To continue with,(这里明明是转折,怎么能用这个continue?) there is some time when the honesty can not account for all the effectiveness. In other words, it is inevitable to use vague word instead of the frank honesty. Under certain circumstance, the leader may need to use diplomat pretext to deal with his opponents and sustain a stable public opinion towards some sensitive problems. If he does not preserve the essential fact, he may be rejected by opponents who keep sensitive about his shortcoming or ailments all the time, so he can not executive his function and achieve his goal in time. To administrate the government more effectively, he must choose some facts preserved (TO)ensure his behavior is valid and benefit for his nation as well as for his people other than satisfies his own taste, which is the prerequisite for he delayed to tell truth.

To support it, I take Roosevelt Delano, the president of USA in World War Two, for example. When the Great Britain and France confronted with Hitler Germany in danger of extinction, some councilors in USA refused the suggestion that the USA should dispatch its army to fight against Hitler in Europe. Its contemporary president Roltsvel displayed a military map scripted by Germany, which indicated that the next military goal of Germany was the USA. So he succeeded to convince his opponents the coming peril of the United States, as a result the USA took part in the World War Two and we got a peaceful world much earlier than expected. In fact, the vital military map is not true, but we can not condemn Roosevelt Delano did not tell the truth because he had no choice when facing the stubborn councilors, but really felt lucky to have a sensible and wit president.

In conclusion, honesty does help to gain support from the public, but the complete honesty sometimes can not take effect on the emergence things. Therefore, an occasional pretext or delayed truth may be carried out effectively for a broader benefit. We can not take that complete honesty is not effective virtue as a pretext to do the illegitimate things.  

总结:思路不很清晰.从几个段落开头的连词就可以看出。
B3有凑字数的嫌疑。例子写了那么长。我觉得B3应该讲真正有水平的政治家无论是对公众诚实,还是撒谎,根本目标是保护大众利益。如果撒谎是为了某私,就应该下台。
语法错误太多,不便一一纠正。应该在贴出来前自己贴到WORD里面修改。

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划线的是改过的,我已经在word 里修改过了,呵呵,像lead 和 led我真的没有查,忘了怎么用lead.
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As we know, honesty is a necessary and fundamental character of human being. However, considering the specific position and task that political leader holds, I tend to agree with that some moment not to tell truth is essential for a political leader but disagree complete honesty is not a useful virtue.

(To begin with), political leader who has honest personality and manage to maintain the great moral level is more possible to gain great reputations and is easier to call for the public to do something together for his country or nation. Such as George Washington who lead the United States achieved independence from the English, and Gandhi who initiated a non-violence movement in India and gained supporting from most of Indians and people from other countries. Another fit example is the eternal Chinese premier of Zhou, who contributed his life to his motherland. He kept great moral standard almost through his life, especially when he was appointed as a large country's premier as we familiar with. He had won unparalleled respect and admire from all Chinese people. After his death, the United Nation decided to lower the flag to memorize this effective premier. All leader listed above have effectively fulfilled their duty while keep honesty to their people.

Even if we can conclude that high moral standards including honesty as a basic virtue do help political lead to do his job more effectively, we can not confirm that the preserved honesty is not essential. There is some time when the honesty can not account for all the effectiveness. In other words, it is inevitable to use vague word instead of the frank honesty. Under certain circumstance, the leader may need to use diplomat pretext to deal with his opponents and sustain a stable public opinion towards some sensitive problems. If he does not preserve the essential fact, he may be rejected by opponents who keep sensitive about his shortcoming or faults all the time, so he can not executive his function and achieve his goal in time. To do so, he must ensure his behavior is valid and benefit for his nation as well as his people other than satisfies his own taste, which is the prerequisite for he delayed to tell truth.

To support it, I take Roosevelt Delano, the president of USA in World War Two, for example. When the Great Britain and France confronted with Hitler Germany in danger of extinction, some councilors in USA refused the suggestion that the USA should dispatch its army to fight against Hitler in Europe. Its contemporary president Roltsvel displayed a military map scripted by Germany, which indicated that the next military goal of Germany was the USA. So he succeeded to convince his opponents the coming peril of the United States, as a result the USA took part in the World War Two and we got a peaceful world much earlier than expected. In fact, the vital military map is not true, but we can not condemn Roosevelt Delano did not tell the truth but felt lucky to have a sensible and wit president. Under such emergency circumstance he had no other choice but to manage to persuade the Parliament to help other countries as quickly as possible. In other words, honesty is a useful virtue but sometimes it is compulsive to be dishonest for political leaders.

In conclusion, honesty does help to gain support from the public, but the complete honesty sometimes can not take effect on the emergence things. Therefore, an occasional pretext or delayed truth may be carried out effectively for a broader benefit. We can not take the statement that complete honesty is not effective virtue for a pretext to do the illegal things.

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Admittedly, honesty is a necessary and fundamental character of human being. However, considering the specific position and task that political leader holds, I tend to agree with that some moment not to tell truth is essential and the single choice for a political leader but disagree complete honesty is not a useful virtue.  
To begin with, political leader who has honest personality and manage s  to maintain the great moral lever is more possible to gain great reputations and is easier to call for the public to do something together for his country or nation. Such as George Washington who lead(led) the United States to achieved(achieve) independence from English Authority, and Gandhi who initiated a non-violence movement in India and gained supporting from most of Indians and people from other countries. Another fit example is the  eternal Chinese premier of Zhou, who contributed his life to his motherland. He kept great moral standard almost through his life, especially when he was appointed as a large country's premier as we familiar with.(有点不通) He had won unparalleled respect and admire (admiration) from all Chinese people. After his death, the United Nation decided to low the flag to memorize this effective premier. Even if we can conclude that high moral standards including honesty as a basic virtue do help political lead to do his job more effectively, we can not confirm that the preserved honesty is not essential.  (需要强调这些政治家如何靠诚实取得了大家的支持, 而不是套现成的名人句子)

To continue with, there is some time when the honesty can not account for all the effectiveness. In other words, it is inevitable to use vague word instead of the frank honesty. Under certain circumstance, the leader may need to use diplomat pretext to deal with his opponents and sustain a stable public opinion towards some sensitive problems. If he does not preserve the essential fact, he may be rejected by opponents who keep sensitive about his shortcoming or ailments all the time, so he can not executive his function and achieve his goal in time. To administrate the government more effectively, he must choose some facts preserved to ensure his behavior is valid and benefit for his nation as well as for his people other than satisfies his own taste, which is the prerequisite for he delayed to tell truth. 这段讲的不错啊,挺有逻辑的

To support it, I take Roosevelt Delano, the president of USA in World War Two, for example. When the Great Britain and France confronted with Hitler Germany in danger of extinction, some councilors in USA refused the suggestion that the USA should dispatch its army to fight against Hitler in Europe. Its contemporary president Roltsvel displayed a military map scripted by Germany, which indicated that the next military goal of Germany was the USA. So he succeeded to convince his opponents the coming peril of the United States, as a result the USA took part in the World War Two and we got a peaceful world much earlier than expected. In fact, the vital military map is not true, but we can not condemn Roosevelt Delano did not tell the truth because he had no choice when facing the stubborn councilors, but really felt lucky to have a sensible and wit(wise) president. 这个事例,偶不知道.学了:)

In conclusion, honesty does help to gain support from the public, but the complete honesty sometimes can not take effect on the emergence things. Therefore, an occasional pretext or delayed truth may be carried out effectively for a broader benefit. We can not take that complete honesty is not effective virtue as a pretext to do the illegitimate things.  (这句话用的有问题,不知对否?)[ 可以用 we should not acquire every politician to be honesty completely for it is unrealistic, nevertheless,  neither should the unrealistic of complete honest be a pretext for them to do any illegitimate things. ]
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especially when he was appointed as a large country's premier as we familiar with
这是后来加的,觉得应该强调周总理在任期间的表现,呵呵,不知道如何讲,因为是限时的,本身又语感不好,给大家增加工作量了!
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改:especially in the period when he was in-service.

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