queens 一个教授的建议 看了后 我利马不敢申请了

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How to become my grad student


This is my own description of how graduate admission works. It is not official in any sense. YMMV.

The graduate program in the School of Computing differs from programs in other places in two important ways.

The first is that, because of the way the Ontario government funds universities in the province, it is hard for us to accept foreign students. Such students have to pay fees that are much higher than those other students pay. Our policy is to support such students to the same effective level as other students, so foreign students cost us more than domestic students.

If you are a foreign student, your chances of admission are very low. We admit perhaps 2-3 foreign students each year, out of a pool of several hundred. Even if you have a source of funding, perhaps your government or your relatives, this does not change the situation much, since our experience has been that such sources tend to disappear midstream leaving us in a difficult situation. Funding such as Commonwealth Scholarships is more reliable and we always welcome students funded by such programs.

Second, admission at the Masters level is to the program, not to work with a particular supervisor. Admission to the doctoral program is also to the program, but you must have a willing supervisor before you get an offer.

So, how should you go about applying?

If you want to apply to the Masters program, you will need an A average from an undergraduate honours degree. You do not need to talk to me about supervision until you have received an offer. I normally supervise 2-3 new Masters students each year. However, if there is a particular area you would like to work in, by all means talk to me about it earlier. Please only talk to me if you have something to say.

Do not send me email if

You just want to send me a resume;
You are keen to work in area X and I don't work in area X (X = database seems a particular favourite);
You have cherry-picked some keywords from my webpage and you have decided some of them sound interesting.
Do send me email if

Your Honours project was in an area directly related to something I'm working on
You work for a company that is doing something related to what I'm working on
You have read some of my papers and you want to make a comment or ask a questions.
If you want to apply to the doctoral program, then you have to make a more compelling case, because both the School and I are committing funding to you for a longer period. We almost never admit foreign students directly to the PhD unless we know their Masters supervisor personally. For Canadian and landed immigrant students, we probably don't need to know your supervisor, but we do need to know the university at which you did your Masters.

If you want to work with me at the doctoral level, you do need to talk to me about possible directions before or soon after you apply. It's helpful if you have some idea of which direction you would like to pursue. You also need to explain why your background is appropriate. Your Masters thesis work doesn't necessarily have to be in the same area as your planned PhD research.

Note that you must have a TOEFL score of at least 600 to be considered for admission. We don't require a GRE but the typical foreign student we admit has GREs in the 97+ percentiles, so if your results are much lower, don't bother applying.

Choosing the people to write your references is important. They should be the most-respected researchers who know you, not necessarily the profs that you liked or got on with the best. Especially if you are applying to the Masters you need to know which profs at your undergraduate university are researchers, and how well regarded they are. References from someone who taught you in 1 undergraduate class of 200 are almost useless (unless you got the best mark in the class).

Do apply for funding. In particular, you MUST apply for OGS and NSERC if you are eligible. Getting such external funding pretty much guarantees that you will get an offer. You need an average of about 82 to have any chance of OGS funding, and about 85 to have a chance of NSERC funding.

Don't spend lots of time on long prose passages about your life history, your goals, and your research plans. We don't expect you to have amazing research goals at this stage. We need to know that you can think coherently about research, and express yourself clearly.

深蓝深圳UID: 2118855

我倒...条条框框确实好多

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Queens'的计算机的确是不错，不过规模也不是很大，据说有点歧视外来人口的意思

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看了以后好生的郁闷　请问那个ＧＲＥ　的　９７＋　是要考多少分呢

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原帖由 JOY-INSX 于 2006-8-7 01:21 发表
看了以后好生的郁闷　请问那个ＧＲＥ　的　９７＋　是要考多少分呢

是啊, 这么高的要求,要考多少分才行啊.
而且,他怎么这么看重GRE的分呢?

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queens的预申请很好过，按照这个教授讲的这个学校挺排外的，所以基本上就赚大家的申请费了。

futurewirlUID: 153522

实际上就是这样啊。美国也一样啊。但大家不都去了。

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非常感谢楼主分享
强烈建议此帖加精
和我了解到的情况一样，不只是这个学校的这个专业，这封邮件其实揭示了大多数学校大多系的录取原则，比如foreign student的funding哪里来，reference应该有谁来写，什么时候教授会回复你email什么时候人家不想理你，你的移民身份有什么好处云云。
我跟不知道多少有申请经验的人聊过才大致了解到这些的。简直不能相信有prof能在email里把admission policy reveal出来。

建议大家读的时候不要只看什么托福600，GRE97%之类的硬性规定及细枝末节，policy才是这封邮件最重要的内容。
再呼吁一下，强烈建议此帖加精，再次感谢楼主分享:handshake

深蓝深圳UID: 2118855

哇~大冰下手好快...我加个亮好了...

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说点我个人的意见.
这封信在我看来,可能是教授的一种半自动的回复.你想想,他们一天事情很多,谁会针对每一个学生全部写一遍这么长的信?
大概是针对想要申请的学生,搞出来一个类似半自动回复的信.就看你能不能知难而上了.呵呵
其实这里面看似条条框框很多,实际上每个学校到最后想跟一个导师读书,都回有类似的问题.
LZ再想想,要不要申请.
这封信里可并没说你不够标准,而只是和你说如果你想发RESUME的话,要满足什么条件.如果你条件够了,就申请下试试吧.可能所有人都吓跑了,最后就剩你一个了也不一定.

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谢谢

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我预申被拒了：（
不过别的学校给了将，queen的要求还真高
哼，以后我一定要争这口气

sabrina1982UID: 145254

QUEEN's 对外国学生是不太愿意补贴的。

唉，大家都不容易。

上杉和也UID: 194375

一派胡言
gre 97%的人还申请queens这种二流学校？