Issue144 我们的彼岸-Alex:the day before Chirstmas Eve

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In the realm of the art, critics have played an important role on the art works. However, relating to the issue of creating the art works with lasting value, the artist is unchangeable to make such contribution.

Admittedly, critiques made by critics can be seen as a positive factor in the development of the art. On the one hand, critics can help people better evaluate and appreciate those art works. The talent artists with the most advanced ideas often provide us with supreme but incomprehensible art works. And the critics who are endowed with much more familiar with the aesthetic value can fully evaluate the immortal value in those art works and help us to grasp the pith in them.  As, Van gogh, the most preventative artist of the post- impressionism, left us with numerous valuable art works which can not be understood by the contemporaries. With the evaluation of the critics, people gradually accepted the value of his works. On the other hand, critiques of the critics can functions as the catalyst to help the artist make great progress. It is the critique by Henry Michaux confirming the value of the inking paint that made the Wuji Zhao,one of the most famous painter in China, be more confident about his works and promote him to create more valuable art works.

However, such functions of the critics are just the supplementary factors in the process of value creation, which can not supersedes the primary, that is the creative ideas and passion of the artists them selves. Though, it is true that the value in the art works of Van Gogh will not be soon discovered by the mass, the value had been already made and would be lasting exceeding the limit of the time and space, which would eventually recognize by the majority. Though, the critiques of Henry Michaux help the painter be confident with himself, the creative mind and the passion in the process of the creation can not be supplied by the critiques and these are all belong to the one who can make the lasting value.

Moreover, some artists just make the lasting value without the help of the critics, and those kinds of lasting value can be easily seen by the majority. Almost everyone have an aesthetic mind and have the experience, which may pass by quickly before we fully feel it, of grasping the beauty of the nature or other realm of existence. It is the virtue of the artist with the acuminous aesthetic mind to fully grasp such beauties and show them in their art works easily leading to the sympathetic response to such kinds of beauty by audience. It is common for any of us have the beautiful experience when we see the sunset, which may be, however, soon disappeared. And the artist, as Monet, can embed those feeling into his work-sunset, which help us to remind of such experience and made it immortal. So the creation of this lasting value and the appreciation of it do not be influenced by the critique.

Also, some forms of sculpture art aiming at maximally reflecting the shape of the real obstacles can also have the lasting value without the help of the critics. David, the famous art works of Michelangelo, has been admired by people for about five centuries, as the lusty body, the handsome appearance and the strong determination conveyed from the sculpture are enough to be lasting forever that any critiques about such sculpture would seem to be redundant.

In sum, it is the artist rather than the critic the very man to make the lasting value.

[ 本帖最后由 afgx 于 2006-12-25 07:59 编辑 ]

piggy2006UID: 2272134

因为跟你观点不一样，而我又觉得你的文章既不能说服我，我也找不到什么可以反驳的地方，所以笼统的说两句。
我觉得你body的第三、四段欠说服力。这也就是我为什么觉得你的文章没有把我说服的原因。我觉得majority毕竟不是专业的艺术评论家，就像你上文都说了评论家的作用用专业眼光就是挖掘艺术品的价值，并把它展现给群众，而majority仅仅是凭借自己对美好事物的共鸣和对艺术家的崇拜(比如像大卫那个例子就让我觉得之所以大卫价值高是因为它出自名师之手，其实生活中例子比比皆是，光凭能否引起感情上的共鸣很难判断是否具有lasting value。如果大卫是一个不知名的人雕出来的，不靠评论家来发掘它的价值是很难被人们认知的~)很难判定是否lasting value，充其量就只是证明作品是否被大多数喜欢一样。。。但是lasting value又是另外一回事了~~~
我觉得在这篇文章上我们观点是相反的，我的确承认你body第二段说的是实情，价值与否是艺术品本身就存在的，但是能否give to society我的理解就跟你不一样了。我觉得这个give to society除了作品本身的价值以外还包括让社会认知它的价值。。。
有兴趣的话欢迎拍砖和反驳我的观点哈~^@^~
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-583480-1-1.html

piggy2006UID: 2272134

另外补充一下，刚刚贴到word里面找了一个鸡肋错误。。。梵高这个人名是要大写的。。。
^@^~

afgxUID: 2185359

你的意思是大众不能对永恒的价值作出判断了？那就是说之有经过评论家的鉴定才能评判永恒的价值。我认为这里有点问题。比如大为雕像已经被人们敬仰了500年，这算不算是lasting value呢？

piggy2006UID: 2272134

确实，我觉得大众不是专业的艺术方面的，大多只是人云亦云，根本就没有能力评价一个作品是否具有永恒的价值，最多仅仅是对于作品所表现的共鸣加以赞扬和欣赏~大卫被人们敬仰500年不是说它没有永恒价值，我的意思是说人们之所以敬仰它是因为出于对美感的追求或者是对米开朗基罗的敬仰，而不是因为群众有能力从艺术的角度在它一面市就判定它具有永恒价值。不能否能从艺术的角度来讲，只有专业的评论家才有资格评论艺术品是否具有永恒价值吧。。。所以我才说你的例子放在那里我觉得没有说服力~

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看来我和你认为的价值定义有所差别，你认为艺术的真正价值只能靠专业评论家才能真正鉴赏出来。我所谓的永恒价值，是“广义”上的，即一件艺术品无论专家怎么评论，只要大众喜欢，能欣赏，我就认为它有价值，如果人们能够长久的喜欢他，那么就是lasting value。所以咱们讨论的前提就不一样，这种讨论本身就失去了意义。

ETS没有对lasting value加以限制，我们就可以从多个角度去写。大众的审美价值，一部分人的审美价值，专家的审美价值等等。

对于改作文，我认为我们再看别人的作文时不要带入自己的观点（我也经常犯这样的错误）。从他的观点入手，看看是否能够论证充分，自圆其说。我认为这是应该注意的问题。