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谢谢各位的意见,我再好好想想然后改一下:)
The following appeared as a letter to the editor of a local newspaper.

"Five years ago, we residents of Morganton voted to keep the publicly owned piece of land known as Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state.  Our thinking was that, if no shopping centers or houses were built there, Scott Woods would continue to benefit our community as a natural parkland.  But now that our town planning committee wants to purchase the land and build a school there, we should reconsider this issue.  If the land becomes a school site, no shopping centers or houses can be built there, and substantial acreage would probably be devoted to athletic fields.  There would be no better use of land in our community than this, since a large majority of our children participate in sports, and Scott Woods would continue to benefit our community as natural parkland."
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In this argument, the conclusion is that building schools in Scott Woods which is in a natural undeveloped state, can still benefit community as natural parkland. However, the arguer commits several logic errors in reasoning and overlooks several possibilities, so the validity has been weakened.

First of all, the arguer fails to think over some inner reasons why people keep the land in Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state. The arguer reasons that if no shopping centers or houses were built there, Scott Woods would continue to benefit our community. But further questions arise: why residents don’t want to establish shopping center and houses there? Whether there are some inner reasons due to the opposition? For example, perhaps five years ago, residents of Morganton found that it was unnecessary to build any shopping centers or houses any more because such buildings available had satisfied their demands. In this sense, when it comes to build a school, the same possibility should be taken into account: Are there already enough schools? If the answer is yes, it is obvious unnecessary to build another one. In another case, perhaps what the residents are afraid of is that these buildings could make a profound damage on the nature environment. If there are some endangered species of animals and plants in Scott Woods, the opposition will not be altered when the issue is building a school, because the project is still a threat to the natural state. As a result, during the reasoning why building a school is reasonable, the arguer do not think over the inner reasons contributing to the disagreement by citizens five years ago.

Next, the assumption that substantial acreage would probably be devoted to athletic fields by school lacks of evidences to prove that it is possible to satisfy needs by neighbor citizens. Firstly, the arguer fails to supply any statistics on how much area will be used to build athletic fields. If the school is not a sport one, its main purpose is for education rather than for sports, so it is more likely that the areas devoted to sports is much less that the areas used for education, such as classrooms, laboratories. Secondly, even if the lands for athletic fields are quite large, other critical questions will need to be answered: If the school cannot open to public, can children nearby still use the fields for sports? Whether the fields have enough room for both the students and the citizens around? Obvious, if residents nearby cannot easily access to this sports fields and have enough chances to use the instruments, it is far from reaching the standpoint that the school will benefit the community.

Furthermore, the arguer makes a hasty conclusion that Scott Woods would be still natural parkland even when a school has been built there. It seems that it is a problem about the definition about ‘natural parkland’. If the phrase just meant that ‘a place can be used for sports’, the conclusion would have some merits. However the meaning of the phrase is far from this. Many other possibilities, especially in environment, should be taken into account. For examples, for building the school, tons of woods will be cut off and many species of animals will be forced to leave. And then the outlooks before may be taken places by concrete and brick construction. Can this scene be still described with ‘natural’? So, absent from ruling out the possibility that nature scenes should be damaged, it is unsafe to assert that the place will not change.  

In sum, with some logic errors in reasoning and lacking detailed evidences, the arguer is failed to prove that the school will benefit the community. In addition, without taking other possibilities about consequences of buiding a school on Scott Woods , it is unconvincing to reach the standpoint that the place can function as a natural land.

- -之前就不说了......教训啊...题目都看错意思了....感觉最近自己有些急..........
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发表于 2007-4-6 22:20:22 |只看该作者
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负责任地和楼主说一声,这篇不存在于argument242题中。

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好像真是没有了,我也没搜出来,不过怎么看起来这么面熟啊

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无所谓....只是想做个练习:)什么题都差不多的....
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In this argument, the conclusion is that building schools in Scott Woods which is in a natural undeveloped state, can still benefit community as natural parkland. However, the arguer commits several logic errors in reasoning and overlooks several possibilities, so the validity has been weakened.

First of all, the arguer fails to think over some inner reasons why people keep the land in Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state. The arguer reasons that if no shopping centers or houses were built there, Scott Woods would continue to benefit our community. But further questions arise: why residents don’t want to establish shopping center and houses there? Whether there are some inner reasons due to the opposition? (没有见过这种写法,不敢说肯定不对,但是我觉得不好.看到这里都不知道你到底想要驳斥文章的哪一点) For example, perhaps five years ago, residents of Morganton found that it was unnecessary to build any shopping centers or houses any more because such buildings available had satisfied their demands. In this sense, when it comes to build a school, the same possibility should be taken into account: Are there already enough schools? (为了引出驳斥建造学校的一个理由:enough.前面居然兜了那么大的圈子.faint.) If the answer is yes, it is obvious unnecessary to build another one. In another case, perhaps what the residents are afraid of is that these buildings could make a profound damage on the nature environment. If there are some endangered species of animals and plants in Scott Woods, the opposition will not be altered when the issue is building a school, because the project is still a threat to the natural state. As a result, during the reasoning why building a school is reasonable, the arguer do not think over the inner reasons contributing to the disagreement by citizens five years ago. (on my second thought, i tend to strongly support such style of writing. but my opinion may not be the one that ets favors. so, take care.)

(想法很好,深究以前不建造商店的原因,然后讲到很可能造学校同样不可行.内部展开也还算不错.个人支持这种写法.回头再去问问别的版主怎么看)
(第一个关于学校和商店是否足够的反例不是很强,最好都是要和natural park联系起来的原因,攻击起来针对性更好)

Next, the assumption that substantial acreage would probably be devoted to athletic fields by school lacks of (删) evidences to prove that it is possible to satisfy needs by (of) neighbor citizens. (不明白为什么要把范畴限定在neighbor上面.先看你下面怎么分解) Firstly, the arguer fails to supply any statistics on how much area will be used to build athletic fields. If the school is not a sport one, its main purpose is for education rather than for sports, so it is more likely that the areas devoted to sports is much less that the areas used for education, such as classrooms, laboratories. Secondly, even if the lands for athletic fields are quite large, other critical questions will need to be answered: (转接很流畅) If the school cannot open to public, (直接就generally speaking吧,不要再if了,或者说开放了之后对于学校的影响很大,两者不可兼得) can children nearby still use the fields for sports? Whether the fields have enough room for both the students and the citizens around? Obvious, if residents nearby cannot easily access to this sports fields and have enough chances to use the instruments, it is far from reaching the standpoint that the school will benefit the community. (风格迥异的argument,看了感觉很新鲜也很流畅.攻击体育场大小那个方面选择感觉不是很好,更好的方面,比如社区的人群中那些不去参加体育活动的老年人的利益就没有得到满足)

Furthermore, the arguer makes a hasty conclusion that Scott Woods would be still natural parkland even when a school has been built there. It seems that it is a problem about the definition about ‘natural parkland’. If the phrase just meant that ‘a place can be used for sports’, the conclusion would have some merits. However the meaning of the phrase is far from this. (太仁慈了.还给作者一条生路.如果是我,就直接攻击 'Scott Woods would be still natural parkland'是不可能的,park由于学校的出现肯定会有所变化,甚至是消失.缺点就是这个攻击点和第一个body中间的以前不造商店的原因可能有重合.考虑了一下解决的方法,第一个body着重强调对于natural park本身的破坏,这里可以重点讲,park已经不是原来的park,对于人们serve的功能肯定会减弱. ) Many other possibilities, especially in environment, should be taken into account. For examples, for building the school, tons of woods will be cut off and many species of animals will be forced to leave. (和前面第一个body有重复) And then the outlooks before may be taken places by concrete and brick construction. (非常细节的一个点!bingo!再讲出对于人们的影响就更好了) Can this scene be still described with ‘natural’? So, absent from ruling out the possibility that nature scenes should be damaged, it is unsafe to assert that the place will not change.  

In sum, with some logic errors in reasoning and lacking detailed evidences, the arguer is failed to prove that the school will benefit the community. In addition, without taking other possibilities about consequences of buiding a school on Scott Woods , it is unconvincing to reach the standpoint that the place can function as a natural land.


看了让人觉得眼前一亮的文章
看了觉得八股的味道很淡
我个人比较喜欢这篇文章
除了那两个反例可以有更好的代换之外
觉得别的没有太多可以改的地方
还有,lz的id不错.
继续加油

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发表于 2007-4-7 01:41:53 |只看该作者
收下先...
明天集中观摩...;d:
Too many fragments of the spirit have I scattered in the coming way, and How can I withdraw from them without a burden and an ache

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发表于 2007-4-7 02:20:15 |只看该作者
个人观点:
why people keep the land in Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state 的理由应该是文章的前期,偶觉得不应该批。

no shopping centers or houses can be built there也是一个批驳点,可以批

不过,从结构上lz这篇a写得比以前那篇好很多了,进步神速啊。
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原帖由 ryansandy 于 2007-4-7 02:20 发表
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why people keep the land in Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state 的理由应该是文章的前期,偶觉得不应该批。


我一开始也觉得他批驳前提了
不过后来觉得他知识对于背景资料的进一步挖深,没有攻击

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原来如此,被ts所迷惑了
不过真的实在太绕了,读起来很怪异
第一个body攻击内容应该可以和第三个body合并,分两个层次
然后第一个body攻击no shopping centers or houses can be built there
这样攻击可能会全面一点

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关于第一个BODY.我是这么想的...作者其实的逻辑是
1.如果没有建立商店等建筑,那么SW还可以作为天然PARK
2.如果建立了学校,就不能建立商店等建筑
仔细想想觉得作者是想建立一个逻辑推理关系:建立了学校->不能建立商店->SW还可以成为天然PARK
所以我攻击的是中间的一点也就是说不建立商店还有其他原因,比如说环境
这样的话 建立学校-推不出

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这样建立学校推不出对环境不会没有坏处,这样也就推不出SW还可以成为天然PARK了....

可能我表述的不清楚吧.....

恩,我来好好学习一下大家的意见,然后改一下:)

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就在这里改吧.
In this argument, the conclusion is that building schools in Scott Woods which is in a natural undeveloped state can still benefit community as natural parkland. However, the arguer commits several logic errors in reasoning and overlooks several possibilities, so the validity has been weakened.

First of all, the arguer fails to think over some inner reasons why people keep the land in Scott Woods in a natural, undeveloped state. The arguer reasons that if no shopping centers or houses were built there, Scott Woods would continue to benefit our community. But further questions arise: why residents don’t want to establish shopping center and houses there? Whether there are some inner reasons due to the opposition? For example, perhaps five years ago, residents of Morganton found that it was unnecessary to build any shopping centers or houses any more because such buildings available had satisfied their demands. In this sense, when it comes to build a school, the same possibility should be taken into account: Are there already enough schools? If the answer is yes,
building another one may be a waste of funds, resource and faculty. In another case, perhaps what the residents are afraid of is that these buildings could make a profound damage on the nature environment. If there are some endangered species of animals and plants in Scott Woods, the opposition will not be altered when the issue is building a school, because the project is still a threat to the natural state. As a result, during the reasoning why building a school is reasonable, the arguer do not think over the inner reasons contributing to the disagreement by citizens five years ago.
第一段我就不改了,确实去阐述这种逻辑错误比较麻烦,我以后会斟酌着使用的

Next, the assumption that substantial acreage would probably be devoted to athletic fields by school lacks
(of) evidences to prove that it is possible to satisfy needs of neighbor citizens. Firstly, the arguer fails to supply any statistics on how much area will be used to build athletic fields. If the school is not a sport one, its main purpose is for education rather than for sports, so it is more likely that the areas devoted to sports is much less that the areas used for education, such as classrooms, laboratories. Secondly, even if the lands for athletic fields are quite large, other critical possibilities will need to be answered: Children may fail to use the fields for sports which don’t open frequently to public. And whether the fields have enough room for both the students and the citizens around? Obvious, if residents nearby cannot easily access to this sports fields and have enough chances to use the instruments, it is far from reaching the standpoint that the school will benefit the community.
由于….老年人也可以在学校里活动啊(偶们学校就有N多)嘿嘿,想不出反驳的理由啦。。大改一下下一段好啦。。

Furthermore, the arguer makes a hasty conclusion that Scott Woods would be still natural parkland even when a school has been built there. It seems that it is a problem about the definition about ‘natural parkland’. If the phrase just meant that ‘a place can be used for sports’, the conclusion would have some merits. However the meaning of the phrase is far from this. Many other possibilities, especially in environment, should be taken into account. For examples, for building the school,
places originally used to serve public have been allocated for other education purposes. And then the outlooks before may be taken places by concrete and brick construction. In this circumstance, citizens cannot have a break at every place as before, olds cannot amble freely anywhere they want in the morning, and children cannot play games there and chat loudly in day-time. Can this place be still described as ‘natural parkland’? So, absent from ruling out the possibility that nature scenes should be damaged, it is unsafe to assert that the place will not change.  
简单加了这么几句,不知道可行?

In sum, with some logic errors in reasoning and lacking detailed evidences, the arguer is failed to prove that the school will benefit the community. In addition, without taking other possibilities about consequences of buiding a school on Scott Woods , it is unconvincing to reach the standpoint that the place can function as a natural land.


这几天确实挺急的。。感觉自己什么都没准备好。虽然我的AWA考试在25日,但是时间也不多了,另外之后会更麻烦。。。。。。
我写这篇主要是因为自己看了几篇范文,而且学习了版上几篇经典文章教写TS和细节论述的展开后,觉得可能FREE写起来会更顺手一些,所以做的一个尝试。。。。
谢谢各位给我的鼓励,我还差很多。。。。
最近要集中研究一下版上牛人的I/A,特别是A,学习他们的用语和逻辑,特别是语言,希望我的A可以提高到满足考试的水平。。
至于I。。。。。。很让我Speakless的东西,感觉自己什么都缺。。。。只有认真准备了。:)
其实心里很想感谢这里的所有人,不过还不是时候,革命尚为成功嘛:)

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发表于 2007-4-7 08:39:27 |只看该作者
这个不是范文题嘛

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发表于 2007-4-7 10:05:36 |只看该作者
不高兴想了,
反正也只是范文题目。
建议lz先过242到题库吧

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发表于 2007-4-7 13:21:47 |只看该作者
这是官方范文之一啊……

https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=134092

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