Argument54 (gogogo)

neverstopcowUID：2149686

54The following appeared in a newsletter on dental health.

"A recent research study reported the experience of dentists whose patients had, over a period of five years, regularly used Flux Dental Floss as part of their dental hygiene routine. The report indicates that these dentists had 50 percent fewer cases of gum disease than did dentists whose patients did not use Flux regularly. In addition, most of the Flux users who were surveyed by their dentists agreed that Flux's mint flavor would encourage people to floss more often. Thus, even though Flux may cost more than other brands of floss, it is clearly a worthwhile investment for those who want to be assured of healthy teeth and gums."
中文提纲：
1.        可能是那些被调查医生的病人本来就很少，也可能他们不是这方面的专家
2.        第二点中被调查的病人的特征？调查的可信性
3.        没有证据可是说明买这种品牌的产品是值得的。
正文：(424字)
In this newsletter, the author advocates that Flux Dental Floss is worthwhile for those who want to be with healthy teeth and gums though it is more expensive than other brands of floss. The recommendation seems to be supported by sufficient evidence. However, a closer inspection can reveal several fallacies hidden behind this argument.

To begin with, the result of the report cited in the newsletter is unconvinced at all. The arguer intends to prove the efficiency by the fact that dentists whose patients used Flux regularly had 50 percent fewer cases of gum disease than did dentists who did not apply Flux. Nonetheless, there lies the high possibility that the patients of dentists who apply Flux were less than other surveyed dentists even before the investigation. It is also possible that the dentists using Flux were not specialist in gum disease at all. In this matter, there is no surprise that such dentists had much less patients of gum disease.

In the second place, the survey on some patients is either unpersuasive. Any detailed information about the participators is not mentioned in this argument. Perhaps the patients investigated were in the similar age, the same gender or even had the similar affection by chance. In this circumstance, we can not rule out the possibility that there are more people who feel uncomfortable on the mint flavor of Flux than those who are satisfied about it. Therefore, before given further concrete information about the survey, it is too arbitrary to draw any conclusion.

Last but not least, it is unsubstantiated to assert that the Flux Dental Floss is clearly worthwhile even though it costs more than other brands of floss. First, the arguer ignores to inform us with what disease Flux can deal with and the description of the effectiveness of such floss. Then, clear price of Flux is not mentioned as well. If the natural price ratio is very low, it seems less reasonable for people to spend more money on a less effective product. Therefore, the arguer is irresponsible to give such a suggestion with unsound evidence.

From all the above, it can be proved that this argument is fraught with logical fallacies. To buttress it, first, it is strongly recommendable to compare the number of some dentists’ patients after using Flux with the number before using it. Moreover, detailed information about the patients, such as their age level, gender, career, likes and dislikes and so forth, is needed. At Last, a introduction about this product’s price and efficient should be mentioned.

sallyxinduUID：2131253

"A recent research study reported the experience of dentists whose patients had, over a period of five years, regularly used Flux Dental Floss as part of their dental hygiene routine. The report indicates that these dentists had 50 percent fewer cases of gum disease than did dentists whose patients did not use Flux regularly. In addition, most of the Flux users who were surveyed by their dentists agreed that Flux's mint flavor would encourage people to floss more often. Thus, even though Flux may cost more than other brands of floss, it is clearly a worthwhile investment for those who want to be assured of healthy teeth and gums."
中文提纲：
1.        可能是那些被调查医生的病人本来就很少，也可能他们不是这方面的专家
从医生谈
2.        第二点中被调查的病人的特征？调查的可信性
从病人谈
3.        没有证据可是说明买这种品牌的产品是值得的。
除了味道以外还有很多其他因素也是影响Ｆ是否值得的
总的来说提纲很清晰，不错！

正文：(424字)
In this newsletter, the author advocates that Flux Dental Floss is worthwhile for those who want to be with have healthy teeth and gums though it is more expensive than other brands of floss because...稍微提一下比较好 The recommendation seems to be supported by sufficient evidence. However, a closer inspection can reveal several fallacies hidden behind this argument.

To begin with, the result of the report cited in the newsletter is unconvincedunconvincing at all阿狗有错误往往是因为太绝对了，所以我们不要犯同样的错误，尽量不要用太绝对的话，ＥＴＳ也会同问，你你为什么认为... The arguer intends to prove the F's efficiency by the fact that dentists whose patients used Flux regularly had 50 percent fewer cases of gum disease than did dentists who did not apply Flux. Nonetheless, there lies the high possibility that the number of  patients of dentists who apply Flux were less than those of other surveyed dentists even before the investigation. It is also possible that the dentists using Flux were not specialist in gum disease at all.这里有点疑问，不是说的这些医生的病人更少得病吗？怎么这里说他们不专业了？ In this matter, if this turns out to be the case, there is no surprise that such dentists had much less patients of gum disease.

In the second place, the survey on some patients is either unpersuasive. Any detailed information about the participators is not mentioned in this argument. Perhaps the patients investigated were in the similar age, the same gender or even had the similar affection by chance. In this circumstance, we can not rule out the possibility that there are more people who feel uncomfortable on the mint flavor of Flux than those who are satisfied about it. Therefore, before given further concrete information about the survey, it is too arbitrary to draw any conclusion.
我觉得这段有点问题，因为题目上说了是most of the F users都很满意Ｆ的口味，所以你的批判似乎不对，

Last but not least, it is unsubstantiated to assert that the Flux Dental Floss is clearly worthwhile even though it costs more than other brands of floss. First, the arguer ignores to inform us with what disease Flux can deal with and the description of the effectiveness of such floss. Then, clear concrete price of Flux is not mentioned as well. If the natural price ratio is very low, it seems less reasonable for people to spend more money on a less effective product.对于这点我也和楼住有点异议，因为题目说了即使价格高也值得，因为其口味好。 Therefore, the arguer is irresponsible to give such a suggestion with unsound evidence.这句我觉得不是很好，可能是因为我不熟悉这种用法．
对与这点的批判，我觉得还可以从以下几点考虑：口味并不是判断效果的唯一标准，还有其他方面，比如说疗效，售后服务等等

From all the aspects above, it can be proved that this argument is fraught with logical fallacies. To buttress it, first, it is strongly recommendable to compare the number of some dentists’ patients after using Flux with the number before using it. Moreover, detailed information about the patients, such as their age level, gender, career, likes and dislikes and so forth, is needed. At Last, a introduction about this product’s price and efficient should be mentioned.
结尾不错．

问题在文中已经基本提出了，对于驳斥点的问题我们可以再讨论，希望有机会再合作～:victory:

neverstopcowUID：2149686

To Sally:
It is also possible that the dentists using Flux were not specialist in gum disease at all.这里有点疑问，不是说的这些医生的病人更少得病吗？怎么这里说他们不专业了？
我的意思是这些医生可能本来就不是这方面的专家，所以自然来这里看这种gum disease德人自然就少了 可能没说清楚，下去再改改

我觉得这段有点问题，因为题目上说了是most of the F users都很满意Ｆ的口味，所以你的批判似乎不对
在most of the F users 后面有个surveyed，所以我认为还是可以找这个调查每有代表性的错误

倒数第二段得到很多启发
多谢sally的说~