issue36 5x4

collins_liuUID: 190687

1 后来人能更客观的评价
2 后来人能更全面的评价
3 当代人能更贴近生动的体会伟大之处
I agree with the speaker that the greatness of individuals can be objectively and thoroughly determined by those who live after them. However, they are not the only persons who are able to make decision on that issue. In my opinion, both contemporaries and later generations are capable of such an evaluation.

In the first place, people who live later than the great figures can make objective evaluation on their precursors' work and achievement. Living in different period of time, they are not influenced by mainstream culture and social pressure at that time, which, for some reasons, may play a vital role in misleading people’s judgment. Therefore, their opinions and ideas can objectively reflect the real value of the great individuals' contribution to society on condition that those people are well skilled at evaluation. For example, Van Gogh, one of the most talent painters in human being's history, could hardly sell even one of his paintings because the style of his works did not meet the mainstream art at that time and failed to favor the dominators, either. However, many years after his death, as people’s view of art developed rapidly, well skilled critics began to realize the latent meaning of his works and soon Van Gogh’s greatness was admitted by the whole society.

In addition, as outside standers, people who live after the great figures can have a thorough view and understanding of their precursors' work. Plenty of record concerning most parts of history of that period of time informs them much of the historical condition and the tendency of history development. Therefore, knowing the later influence of great individuals’ achievement on the advancement of society, descendants can thoroughly decide the value of their work to not only their fellows but also later generations. Since it is often the case that without far-sightedness, contemporaries cannot foresee the future benefit of eminent figures’ accomplishment, later generation's evaluation serves as a necessary supplement or even a correction to the judgment on greatness of individuals.

Admittedly, from certain perspectives, contemporaries who lived in the same era with the marvelous individuals are superior to people live after their era in evaluating the greatness and achievement. For one thing, they have more detailed information of those figures which can be forgotten or discarded by people after a long time but useful to judgment. For another, they can realize the influence of eminent figures more vividly through promotion of media at that time and their own eyes and ears, which provides them with deep understanding of the real meaning and value of great figure's accomplishment to society. For instance, now most of people know about President Lincoln who led the liberty of black slaves but few of them really feel and understand his greatness. If they had the chance to listen to Lincoln's lecture, see his supporters’ behaviors or even talk to him directly, it would greatly help them to evaluate the greatness of him.

To sum up, both contemporaries and those who live later have their advantages in deciding the greatness of individuals. It is true that people who live at the same era can realize the greatness more vividly and directly, but later generations who are free from the influence of mainstream culture and social pressure and have a better understanding of development of history are also able to make objective and thorough decision.


第二个论述段有没有合适的例子？大家帮忙想想。。。。

[ 本帖最后由 collins_liu 于 2006-2-11 20:41 编辑 ]

SelinaHouLeiUID: 2177666

坦白的说，我没有太明白前两个body的区别，一个是客观，一个是全面~~~如果是我，用中文都分析不出区别，更不敢用英文来试验啦~~~

至于第二段论述的例子，我想到的就是林肯那个，谁料你在第三部分用过了。不过我也说一下吧，用中文，呵呵。林肯当时并不被美国南方那些农场主们爱戴，因为他推翻了奴隶制度也就是伤害了那些农场主的利益，这也是后来林肯被暗杀的原因。由此看来，和林肯同时代的人，那些农场主，并没有认识到林肯的“伟大”，以及civil war的重大意义，而只有我们这些后来人，才能更全面的认识到林肯领导的civil war有着多么重大的历史意义。

不知道这个例子是不是合适你的那个“全面评价”的观点~~~

哈哈，看到你可以那么长的论述分析，真的佩服，我习惯于用例子充数，因为分析推理我这个脑子特别不擅长~~~为此苦恼中~~~呵呵呵

linna.fanUID: 2175453

论述很清楚，这种理性也是我缺的。你的那个例子我觉得哥白尼就可以吧，他的理论开始不被当代人接受，可是后来牛顿的GRAVITY都是从他那里起源的。
对了，我那篇如何推广有点头大，替我帮帮忙吧，谢谢拉

rabbitvvUID: 2115592

1 后来人能更客观的评价
2 后来人能更全面的评价
3 当代人能更贴近生动的体会伟大之处
I agree with the speakerin so far as that the greatness of individuals can be objectively and thoroughly determined by those who live after them. However, they are not the only persons who are able to make decision on that issue. In my opinion, both contemporaries and later generations are capable of such an evaluation.

In the first place, people who live later than the great figures can make objective evaluation on their precursors' work and achievements. Living in different period of time, they are not influenced by mainstream culture and social pressure at that time, which may (play a misleading role in right judgment)play a vital role in misleading right judgement. Therefore, theiroffspring’s opinions and ideas can objectively reflect the real value of the great individuals' (work to)contributions for society (on condition that those people are well skill at evaluation)to a large extent. For example, Van Gogh, one of the most talent painters in human being's history, could hardly sell even one of his paintings because the style of them (did)could not meet the mainstream art at that time and the dominators did not like them, either. However, many years after his death, well skilled critics began to realize the latent meaning of his works and soon Van Gogh’s greatness was admitted by all people.
你前面讲后代人评判的客观性是强调后代人不会受以前那个时代社会主流思想的影响，那么这层意思你最好要在你的例子中体现出来

In addition, as outside standers, people who live after the great figures can have a thorough view and understanding of their precursors' work. Plenty of history record inform them much of the historical condition and the tendency of history development. Therefore, knowing the later influence of great individuals’ achievement on the advancement of society, (they) can generally decide the value of (their)这个their和前面的they显然指不同的人吧，代词要具体化 work to both their fellows and the later generations. Since it is often the case that the accomplishment of eminent figures fails to benefit the contemporaries and then obtain their agreement and acceptance, later generation's evaluation serve as a necessary supplement or even a correction to the formerjudgment on greatness of individuals.
你在这一段的前面讲了后代评判的全面性，理由是有丰富的历史资料，讲到后面想举例的时候出现了一个”benefit”，说当代人往往因为没有从某些人物身上得到好处。晕了，前面和后面在说不同的东东呀。
Admittedly, from certain perspectives, contemporaries who lived in the same era with the marvelous individuals are superior to people live after their era in evaluating the greatness and achievement. For one thing, (they have more information and records)上一段刚讲过后代人有丰富的史料信息呀，现在又提到当代人的信息丰富了 of those figures which can be forgotten or discarded by people after a long time but also useful to judgment. For another, they can realize the influence of eminent figures more vividly through promotion of media at that time and their own eyes and ears, which provides them with deep understanding of the real meaning and value of great figure's accomplishment to society. For instance, now most of people know about President Lincoln who led the liberty of black slaves but few of them really feel and understand his greatness. If they had the chance to listen to Lincoln's lecture, see his supporters’ behaviors or even talk to him directly, it would greatly help them to evaluate the greatness of him.

To sum up, both contemporaries and those who live later have their advantages in deciding the greatness of individuals. It is true that people who live at the same era can realize the greatness more vividly and directly, but later generations who are free from the influence of mainstream culture and social pressure and have a better understanding of development of history are also able to make objective and thorough decision.

collins_liuUID: 190687

兔子JJ的意见很中肯，已经按照其改过了。