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zehuaUID: 199246

题目：There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires.
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The speaker asserts that there is no purely objective observation because it is always guided by subjective expectations of observer. This statement is partly true. Although observation is guided by observer's expectations, it can still be objective if it can live through the examination of time.

The speaker is on the correct psychological side of the view, because people often observe the world with their own expectations and desires. Observers always try to find evidence supporting their theories and beliefs, while overlooking the phenomenon against them, no matter how obviously such phenomenon is. Psychologist says this is a form of subconscious protection almost every living creature in the world has. A stock trader would always find evidence that a certain stock price will soar, once he has bought that very stock; a politician would always find reports and surveys supporting his term; a scientist would always obtain data explaining his theory. The adverse evidence would always be neglected because human minds are constantly thinking subjectively and seeking anything in favor of their opinions. As the nature principle, any observation is guided by subjective expectation of observer.

However, the foci would be too narrow if we over-emphasize on the subjective nature of human minds, while ignoring the ability of reflection of the brain. As the only intelligent animal on Earth, human beings have the outstanding ability of cogitation and retrospection. That is to say, human minds are characterized by self-adjustment and self-learning, especially the truly profound thinkers in the world. Through the unremitting process of continually challenge his mind and effort to transcend himself, a truly profound thinker could realize the flaws of his theory or belief, and then complement it by adjustment. Moreover, even if one fails to realize certain flaws of his theory, other wise men could help to do so, especially when they have distinct theories or beliefs. When Copernicus published his sun center theory, conflicting with the authorities who believed that Earth is the center of the universe, he incurred sever criticism and punishment. Yet as time passed by, people gradually found merit of his theory and accepted it. A famous scientist said:" Any gospel could live through the examination of time." Therefore, even if human observation of a phenomenon is initially subjective and incorrect, it would gradually be adjusted and corrected by the truly profound thinkers. In that case, we could still regard such observation as objective after it is putatively accepted.

While the pure objective observation of the nature could be regarded as gospel,
we cannot make sure any present knowledge is such gospel, due to the certain limitations of human technology and intelligence. The data obtained could never be complete, and the problems never be settled. Solving one problem is almost always accompanied by the emerging of another one. Einstein said:" Human recognition of the world is like an expanding circle. The larger it is, the more unknown it would touch at the edge." Therefore in front of the perplexing nature, we should keep humility, knowing that exploration and understanding of the world would never complete, and we should never be complacent.

In the final analysis, the speaker's assertion is partly true. Any observation is guided by subjective expectation and desire of observer. However, if an observation could live through the continual argument and challenge, we should regard it as pure objective, because it truly explains the nature.

[ Last edited by zehua on 2005-7-27 at 13:23 ]

mkb57288UID: 2105771

The speaker asserts that there is no purely objective observation because it is always guided by subjective expectations of observer. This statement is partly true. Although observation is <<guided这个词感觉主观性很强，建议换一下>> by observer's expectations, it can still be objective if it can live through the examination of time.

The speaker is on the correct psychological side of the view, because people often observe the world with their own expectations and desires. Observers always try to find evidence supporting their theories and beliefs, while overlooking the phenomenon against them, no matter how obviously such phenomenon is. Psychologist says this is a form of subconscious protection almost every living creature in the world has. <<<上面这句有点突兀可以改一下 ,which is common to。。。as a form of。。。〉〉〉 A stock trader would always find evidence that a certain stock price will soar, once he has bought that very stock; a politician would always find reports and surveys supporting his term; a scientist would always obtain data explaining his theory. The adverse evidence would always be neglected because human minds are constantly thinking subjectively and seeking anything in favor of their opinions. As the nature principle, any observation is guided by subjective expectation of observer.

However, the foci would be too narrow if we over-emphasize on the subjective nature of human minds, while ignoring the ability of <<<retrospection???是不是reflection>>> of the brain. As the only intelligent animal on Earth, human beings have the outstanding ability of cogitation and retrospection. That is to say, human minds are characterized by self-adjustment and self-learning, especially the truly profound thinkers in the world. Through the unremitting process of continually challenge his mind and effort to transcend himself, a truly profound thinker could realize the flaws of his theory or belief, and then complement<<<可以用refine或者perfect>>> it by adjustment. Moreover, even if one fails to realize certain flaws of his theory, other wise men could help<< to do so删>>, especially when they have distinct theories or beliefs. When Copernicus published his sun center theory, conflicting with the authorities who believed that Earth is the center of the universe, he incurred sever criticism and punishment. Yet as time passed by, people gradually found merit of his theory and accepted it. A famous scientist said:" Any gospel could live through the examination of time." Therefore, even if human recognition of a phenomenon is initially subjective and incorrect, it would gradually be adjusted and corrected by the truly <<<profound形容人可能不太好可以换成insightful  perspicacious penetrating 之类的>>>thinkers. In that case, we could still regard such observation as objective after it is putatively accepted.

We cannot make sure any present knowledge is gospel, due to the certain limitations of human technology and intelligence. The data obtained could never be complete, and the problems never be settled. Solving one problem is almost always accompanied by the emerging of another <<one删>>. Einstein said:" Human recognition of the world is like an expanding circle. The larger it is, the more unknown it would touch at the edge." Therefore in front of the perplexing nature, we should keep humility, knowing that exploration and understanding of the world would never complete, and we should never be complacent.

In the final analysis, the speaker's assertion is partly true. Any observation is guided by subjective expectation and desire of observer. However, if an observation could live through the continual argument and challenge, we should regard it as pure objective, because it truly explains the nature. 感觉最后一句pure有太绝对，有一点点败笔了，特别是上一段刚刚写了any 和 limitation

总体感觉挺不错的，不过个人觉得让步同意之后可以抓住题目中的guide进行驳论，强调观察特别是科学馆产本身追求的客观性，尽量不出现最后一句的情况，保持公允的口吻
小弟也实在是菜鸟，刚刚开始练Issue，贴上两篇拙作还望多多指正
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nickaaronleeUID: 183378

There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires.
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The speaker asserts that there is no purely objective observation because it is always guided by subjective expectations of observer. This statement is partly true. Although observation is guided by observer's expectations, it can still be objective if it can live through the examination of time.

The speaker is on the correct psychological side of the view, because people often observe the world with their own expectations and desires. Observers always try to find evidence supporting their theories and beliefs, while overlooking the phenomenon against them, no matter how obviously such phenomenon is. Psychologist says this is a form of subconscious protection almost every living creature in the world has. A stock trader would always find evidence that a certain stock price will soar, once he has bought that very stock; a politician would always find reports and surveys supporting his term; a scientist would always obtain data explaining his theory. The adverse evidence would always be neglected because human minds are constantly thinking subjectively and seeking anything in favor of their opinions.这段写的很不错，值得我学习啊： As the nature principle, any observation is guided by subjective expectation of observer.这篇我也写过，body１和你的观点相同，不过你写的比我好很多呢

However, the foci would be too narrow if we over-emphasize on the subjective nature of human minds, while ignoring the ability of retrospection of the brain. As the only intelligent animal on Earth, human beings have the outstanding ability of cogitation and retrospection. That is to say, human minds are characterized by self-adjustment and self-learning, especially the truly profound thinkers in the world. Through the unremitting process of continually challenge his mind and effort to transcend himself, a truly profound thinker could realize the flaws of his theory or belief, and then complement it by adjustment. Moreover, even if one fails to realize certain flaws of his theory, other wise men could help to do so, especially when they have distinct theories or beliefs. When Copernicus published his sun center theory, conflicting with the authorities who believed that Earth is the center of the universe, he incurred sever criticism and punishment. Yet as time passed by, people gradually found merit of his theory and accepted it. A famous scientist said:" Any gospel could live through the examination of time." Therefore, even if human recognition of a phenomenon is initially subjective and incorrect, it would gradually be adjusted and corrected by the truly profound thinkers. In that case, we could still regard such observation as objective after it is putatively accepted.这段分析得很精彩，但是我觉得有些跑题，没有抓住observation来写，你想从一个宏观的角度来写，最后带出observation，但是我觉得还是扣住observation来写

We cannot make sure any present knowledge is gospel, due to the certain limitations of human technology and intelligence. The data obtained could never be complete, and the problems never be settled. Solving one problem is almost always accompanied by the emerging of another one. Einstein said:" Human recognition of the world is like an expanding circle. The larger it is, the more unknown it would touch at the edge." Therefore in front of the perplexing nature, we should keep humility, knowing that exploration and understanding of the world would never complete, and we should never be complacent.和body2一个问题，还是脱离了题目来分析了，分析得蛮好

In the final analysis, the speaker's assertion is partly true. Any observation is guided by subjective expectation and desire of observer. However, if an observation could live through the continual argument and challenge, we should regard it as pure objective, because it truly explains the nature.
呵呵，你好强啊，每天两个issue，看出来你已经有了自己的套路，很不错的，你的分析能力很强，这篇最大的问题就是扣题，我觉得body2 3都脱离的题目，不知你是否同意？互拍哦

zehuaUID: 199246

跑题了么？
B2：observation得到错误结论，但是其他人可以修正。
B3：是对题目的发散，说明真理不一定永远正确。对应的observation不可能永远客观。
看来我还是没写清楚。关键是纯客观的observation＝＝真理。这点应该提一下。
回2楼：到底用retrospection还是reflection？意思好像都一样。。。
你可以加入我们站队啊。

mkb57288UID: 2105771

好啊，但不知道怎么加啊

zehuaUID: 199246

Originally posted by mkb57288 at 2005-7-27 13:53
好啊，但不知道怎么加啊

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