issue144--熊熊组，在昨天基础上重写地，呵呵，感觉总算有话说了

purple1228UID：2116196

大家看三楼吧~

首先，由于我对lasting value的定义， 艺术家创造了艺术作品，他们才是lasting value的真正创造者
其次，必须承认，批评家，对这一领域也有很高的造诣，比起普通大众更容易和艺术家产生共鸣
但是，他们作为旧文化的传承者，有时不能接受艺术家的想法，反而起了阻碍作用

With the development of human civilization, more and more attention is paid to analyze artists' and critics' contribution to the world. In a large sense, extremely sticking to emphasize either is superior to the other might be improper. As far as I am concerned, on a balance, I am inclined to sustain the title statement that it is the artists who contributed more in the scope of lasting value which is defined in the following paragraph compared with the critics.

To begin with, before any judgment, we have to give "lasting value" a clear definition. I prefer it referring to the contribution and influence upon the ensuing period time which even till now. In the light of such a definition, we are aware of that the works of art, actually, produced by the artists in their unique angle towards the same world which we all live in. Moonlight, a piece of musical component, is a typical example. It revealed the quiet, beautiful life in rurality(怎么觉得怪怪的~，但又不知改成什么好), and the love of the musician which expressed the feelings of the musician. We, however, could enjoy us during the melody, but could never be moved as the musician himself. In other words, the works of art, to some extent, are the expressions of their creators due to the thought deep in their souls; they contribute more to the lasting value.

Admittedly, we have to concede that, critics, indeed, have a large amount of knowledge in the realm of the relevant field, making them easier to understand and evaluate the works. They make it easier understand for the public. Meanwhile, they usually are artists in the same realms, can catch the knowledge accumulated for a long period before them, thus making them a bit likely to gain the same feeling with the artists than the public. With the help of the critics, one can quickly get the background of the works and not only through normal eyes but also with a more professional angle to enjoy the work. In short, in this dimension, the critics act as an active part to promote the glorious works of the artists.

On the other hand, critics, regardless of the authorities they owned, for some reasons—at a large extent, might be the fastening to former art, might nevertheless failed to correctly establish a judgment. To better explain that, Bizert, who written the eminent opera, Cammer, deserves a close scrutiny. After three months performance, all the audiences including the concurrently critics felt unacceptable about it; Cammer gained little before the writer died in desperation and poverty. But, now, when mentioning it, none would fail to realize the tremendous fame it gained. To better illustrate it, a case in point is Van Gogh, a pioneer of impressionism. Failing to get the appreciation by the society that time, and being tangled with poverty lead indirectly to his suicide. In such miserable cases, the artists, who mainly rejected their works, played a negative role that none can ignore.

In conclusion, no easy resolution based on critical thinking to such a complex issue can be drew to. Nevertheless, taking all the dimensions of that issue discussed in the above analysis, might in fact contribute little out of this dilemma. But, for the above reasons, I would argue that the lasting value is attributed to the artists rather than the critics.

[ Last edited by purple1228 on 2005-8-13 at 16:44 ]

foreveraUID：202035

With the development of human civilization, more and more attention is paid to analyze artists' and critics' contribution to the world. In a large sense, extremely sticking to emphasize either is superior to the other might be improper. As far as I am concerned, on a balance, I am inclined to sustain the title statement that it is the artists who contributed more in the scope of lasting value which is defined in the following paragraph compared with the critics.purple很会变通啊....HOHO...不过最后一个句子长,而且结构不清晰,一些定.状.补的成分最好用","隔开.
To begin with, before any judgment, we have to give "lasting value" a clear definition. I prefer it referring to the contribution and influence upon the      ensuing period of time which even till now. 这些就没有必要了吧...而且意思不明白In the light of 很不错的短语such a definition, we are aware of that the works of art, actually, produced by the artists in their unique angle towards the same world which we all live in. Moonlight, a piece of musical component, is a typical example. It revealed the quiet, beautiful life in rurality the quiet and beauty of rurality (怎么觉得怪怪的~，但又不知改成什么好), and the love of the musician 去掉,和后面重复which expressed the feelings of the musician. We, however, could enjoy us during the melody, but could never be moved as the musician himself. 有点画蛇添足吧In other words, the works of art, to some extent, are the expressions of their creators due to the thought deep in their souls;这里的联系加的牵强点了...而且lasting value也没有说 they contribute more to the lasting value.

Admittedly, we have to concede that, critics, indeed, have has a large amount of knowledge in the realm of the relevant field, making them easier to understand and evaluate the works. 这个句子似乎不是TS吧.并没有表达出critic对art的帮助啊,而且句子结构也有问题,后面making...应该作为谓语,而中间的应该作为修饰成分,应该吧和主题联系更紧的作为句子的主干They make it easier to be understood understand for the public. Meanwhile, they usually are artists in the same realms, 主语?can catch the knowledge accumulated for a long period before them, thus making them a bit likely to gain the same feeling with the artists than the public. With the help of the critics, one can quickly get the background of the works and not only through normal eyes but also with a more professional angle to enjoy the work. In short, in this dimension, the critics act as an active part to promote the glorious works of the artists.

On the other hand, critics, regardless of the authorities they owned 有必要用过去时吗?, for some reasons—at a large extent 这2个东西最好不要放在一起,或去掉一个,或者把一个放在其他地方, might be the fastening to former art, 连词?might nevertheless failed to correctly establish a judgment. To better explain that, Bizert, who written the eminent opera, Cammer, deserves a close scrutiny. After three months performance, all the audiences including the concurrently critics felt unacceptable about it; Cammer gained little before the writer died in desperation and poverty. But, now, when mentioning it, none would fail to realize the tremendous   fame it gained. To better illustrate it, a case in point is Van Gogh, a pioneer of impressionism. Failing to get the appreciation by the society that time, and being tangled with poverty lead indirectly to his suicide. In such miserable cases, the artists, who mainly rejected their works, played a negative role that none can ignore.也没有说清楚critic的阻碍作用吧

In conclusion, no easy resolution 什么意思？based on critical thinking to such a complex issue can be drew to. Nevertheless, taking all the dimensions of that issue discussed in the above analysis　直接above简单明了, 主语？might in fact contribute little out of this dilemma　我没看出来这个问题上有什么dilemma. But, for the above reasons, I would argue that the lasting value is attributed to the artists rather than the critics. 总结的不好，说的都是面上的话，没有把各段的中心高度总结出来．


再给ＰＵＲＰＬＥ几个建议：１，写句子的时候注意句子成分，不要再出现缺主干的情况，更重要的时在写长句的时候一定要分清楚主体部分和修饰部分的关系，而且在表达上最好让看文章的人一眼就能看出长句里哪些是主干，哪些是修饰语．　２，通过互拍学到的词汇一定要自己查一下它的准确意思，特别是双解的释义，不然极有可能会用错．在拿不准的情况下还是不要用了．3. 段落之间的关系最好不要都是转折,也就是不要正-反-正或反-正-反的论证

我的147看了吗?下午或者晚上我在把我写的144发上来...HOHO

purple1228UID：2116196

在forevera的建议下，对文章大动手术~

首先，由于我对lasting value的定义， 艺术家创造了艺术作品，他们才是lasting value的真正创造者
其次，他们作为旧文化的传承者，有时不能接受艺术家的想法，反而起了阻碍作用
但是，必须承认，批评家，对这一领域也有很高的造诣，比起普通大众更容易和艺术家产生共鸣

With the development of human civilization, more and more attention is paid to analyze artists' and critics' contribution to the world. In a large sense, extremely sticking to emphasize either is superior to the other might be improper. As far as I am concerned, on a balance, I am inclined to sustain the title statement that it is the artists, who contributed more in the scope of lasting value--which is defined in the following paragraph--compared with the critics.

To begin with, before any judgment, we have to give "lasting value" a clear definition. I prefer it referring to the contribution and influence upon the ensuing period of time which even till now我是想说甚至一直持续到现在，谁能给我个更好的表达捏？. In the light of such a definition, we are aware of that the works of art, actually, produced by the artists in their unique angle towards the same world which we all live in. Moonlight, a piece of musical component, is a typical example. It revealed the quiet, beautiful life in rurality(怎么觉得怪怪的~，但又不知改成什么好), and the love of the musician which expressed the feelings of the musician. Whereas, we, however, could enjoy us in that melody, but could never be moved as the musician himself. In other words, the works of art, to some extent, are the expressions of their creators due to the thought deep in their souls; they are the real creators, and influence the style of art or even the thought of successors.

On the other hand, critics, regardless of the authorities they owning, might nevertheless fail to correctly establish a judgment. At a large extent, it might be due to the fastening to former art. To better explain that, Bizert, who written the eminent opera, Cammer, deserves a close scrutiny. After three months performance, all the audiences including the concurrently critics felt unacceptable about it; Cammer gained little before the writer died in desperation and poverty. But, now, when mentioning it, none would fail to realize the tremendous fame it gained. To better illustrate it, a case in point is Van Gogh, a pioneer of impressionism. Failing to get the appreciation by the society that time, and being tangled with poverty lead indirectly to his suicide. In such miserable cases, the artists, who mainly rejected their works, played a negative role while rigidly grasping the old standard.

Admittedly, we have to concede that, critics, indeed, having a large amount of knowledge in the realm of the relevant field, make them easier to be understood and evaluate the works. Meanwhile, they usually are artists in the same realms. So, they can catch the knowledge accumulated for a long period of time before them. Thus, this privilege makes them a bit likely to gain the same feeling with the artists. With the help of the critics, one can quickly get the background of the works and not only through normal eyes but also with a more professional angle to enjoy the work. In short, in this dimension, the critics act as an active part to promote the glorious works of the artists.

In conclusion, no easy conclusion based on critical thinking to such a complex issue can be drew to. Nevertheless, taking all the dimensions of that issue discussed above, I would argue that the lasting value is attributed to the artists rather than the critics.

sebarinaUID：2108158

I prefer it referring to the contribution and influence upon the ensuing period of time which even till now我是想说甚至一直持续到现在，谁能给我个更好的表达捏？.

我觉得这样说不好~有些艺术品当时没有人认可但是最后留存久远的才是everlasting吧？

purple1228UID：2116196

Originally posted by sebarina at 2005-8-13 22:00

我觉得这样说不好~有些艺术品当时没有人认可但是最后留存久远的才是everlasting吧？

恩？没明白你啥意思捏...:L

sebarinaUID：2108158

就是我觉得everlasting不一定强调从过去一直到现在，而是强调一旦价值被肯定就不会被埋没

foreveraUID：202035

比较不同意小熊的观点,举个例子来说..乾隆写了很多诗作,而且也被当时的评论家大加推崇,不过从文学角度他的这些作品价值却不怎么大.那些评论家也极有可能因为私人的原因和目的对artist做不公正的评论.所以真正的价值是从很长时间的survival来体现的。