[每日一题][ISSUE212][提纲互改][20100810]

tracywlzUID: 2522388

TODAY'S TOPIC
ISSUE212

If a goal is worthy, then any means taken to attain it is justifiable.

只要一个目标是值得的，那么通过任何方式来达到这目标都是合理的。

修改形式分作两种：

1、楼上改楼下  2、小队互改

二者交叉进行，如果同时需要改楼上和本小组成员的提纲，而且不在两个提纲不在同一楼，第一个先改楼上的，然后在同一回复内部继续改同组的。

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笑会计UID: 2872606

1，different people may have different definition of 'worthy' and 'justifiable'，cannot assert that a worthy goal assures a justifiable mean.
2，（1）， worthy goal deserves pursuing may require means that sacrifices the interest of some people. But as long as the benefit outstrips the loss from the perspective of the society as a whole, we can still regard the means as justifiable
（2） a worthy goal may give a person the incentive to take means which is unjustifiable in the perspective of the society.
（3） there are some circumstances we cannot be sure whether the society benefits more or suffers more.
3，
should evaluate his means not only in the perspective of himself but also consider the standards of the society.
还是有点混乱啊。。欢迎大家拍

笑会计UID: 2872606

啊，我错了。。原来这里是改提纲的，不是该文章的啊

tracywlzUID: 2522388

啊，我错了。。原来这里是改提纲的，不是该文章的啊
笑会计 发表于 2010-8-10 18:28

对啊。请把你的帖子编辑下吧，有专门的文章互改区。

guo0693UID: 2540167

[quote]1，different people may have different definition of 'worthy' and 'justifiable'，cannot assert that a worthy goal assures a justifiable mean.
2，（1）， worthy goal deserves pursuing may require means that sacrifices the interest of some people. But as long as the benefit outstrips the loss from the perspective of the society as a whole, we can still regard the means as justifiable
（2） a worthy goal may give a person the incentive to take means which is unjustifiable in the perspective of the society.
（3） there are some circumstances we cannot be sure whether the society benefits more or suffers more.
3，
should evaluate his means not only in the perspective of himself but also consider the standards of the society.
还是有点混乱啊。。欢迎大家拍
笑会计 发表于 2010-8-10 18:27

2.(1)一个值得的目标可能会牺牲某些人的利益，但只要对于社会整体的利益时利大于弊的，我们就可以认为达到该目标的手段他是正当的.
（2）人们想要去采取不正当的手段来去达到一个值得的目标,而这个不正当的手段是对社会整体而言的.
(3)很多情况下我们不能确定到底社会是获益多还是损失更多.
可以看出你对于unjustifiable的定义是从社会整体的角度来衡量的,那么就应该在第一段中限定这个大的环境背景，让考官知道你下面所说的都是以社会整体利益为出发点.
第二段中的分论点(1)(2)其实在一定程度上是重复的,个人认为对于你文章的展开没有好处,可能会出现字数不足的问题.
分论点（3）不够明确.“很多情况下我们不能确定社会是获益还是受损”想表达什么？看到这个TS我就知道你的观点其实是没有观点。一个太极式的写法，为了说明其实正当不正当很难分清楚.但是我个人认为Issue就是要你给出自己的观点,分情况讨论也行，偏执也行，明确到底什么情况下时正义的 什么情况下是非正义的，这个需要你来给出明确的界线,而不是笼统的说我们很难区分.

以下是我个人的观点，仅供参考，有不妥之处还请多多包含~
1.The words "worthy" and "unjustifiable" are too vague to make it clear that which kind of goals and means can be refered as worthy and justified or not. Since it is a problem that differs from case to case, the conclusion that xxx should be regarded conditionally.
2.(1) When the "worthy" is definited from personal perspective and those means to reach the goal are at the expense of others' benefits, we should blahblahblah...
(2)When the "worthy" is estimated by the standards from which whole society will benefit, the means to achieve this goal will be somehow justifiable.
(3)However, we shouldn't overlook individual's profit completely even if the goal is to some extent worthy for the majority of the society. We should take actions to avoid the losses that could be prevented. BLAHBLAHBLAH...
3. To sum up...

tracywlzUID: 2522388

1.The words "worthy" and "unjustifiable" are too vague to make it clear that which kind of goals and means can be refered as worthy and justified or not. Since it is a problem that differs from case to case, the conclusion that xxx should be regarded conditionally.
2.(1) When the "worthy" is definited from personal perspective and those means to reach the goal are at the expense of others' benefits, we should blahblahblah...
(2)When the "worthy" is estimated by the standards from which whole society will benefit, the means to achieve this goal will be somehow justifiable.
(3)However, we shouldn't overlook individual's profit completely even if the goal is to some extent worthy for the majority of the society. We should take actions to avoid the losses that could be prevented. BLAHBLAHBLAH...
3. To sum up...

我距离AW有一年多了，这里就提点个人意见，不贴提纲了。lx的继续改5楼的
1.第一段说到了worthy 和unjustifiable are toovague。但是后面都在说worthy了，那unjustifiable呢？
2.你（1）（2）是说价值的两种定义，然后第（3）又说个人的利益不能够完全忽略..这里感觉有点乱。
个人觉得这里（3）应该说其实这两种定义没有截然的区别，还是有很多共同的。。blabla。

嗯。有什么不对的请及时指出，加油~

guo0693UID: 2540167

呵呵 unjustifiable的问题确实没讨论,算是主题的定位错了,因为本来就没打算讨论unjustifiable，所以主题应该直接就worthy分情况讨论.
（1）当对于个人来说是worthy时，并不是所有手段都是justifiable。
（2）而当worthy是从社会整体来看时,大部分的手段都可以在某种程度上称为justifiable。
（3）尽管对于社会整体都有价值，但也不能完全忽略个人利益，能避免的损失要尽量避免.
第三个分论点确实有些跑偏了,想想其实与主题是不大相关的~只是一种补充罢了.
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