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Issue：时代局限性，内因－外因
全文写作
Issue 36
"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
“某些个人是否伟大，只能由那些生活在他们之后的人来决定，而无法由其同代人来决定。”

中文提纲：1. 提出论点， 某些人是否伟大是要经过实践的检验的，而这往往是长期的过程，所以只能由那些生活在他们之后的人来决定。
2. 政治方面举例，虽然不少政治人物在当时就被认为是杰出的，可是我认为都是不客观的，只有有后代的人反思才可以得出正确的结论。举例：希特勒
3. 从艺术上，凡高，贝多芬，曹雪芹，他们都在同时代的时候得不到认可，甚至自己的生活都过得很潦倒，可是他们的作品经过了时间的检验，留名青史。
4.从科学上，很多科学家的工作都是在经过大量实践检验之后才被肯定的。举例：霍金
分析原因，实践是检验真理的唯一标准，一个人是否对社会做出卓越的贡献是要靠后人的不断检验完成的，另一个原因，为人的思想往往超出同时代人的理解范围。
5.总结。
正文：
   I deem that a person’s greatness relies on how much contribution he or she has made to the society. In other words, it is determined by whether a person has done to the society pushes it to go ahead or make it retrogress. Time and practice will be able to test one’s contribution to the society is good or not. Since this testing process always takes a long time. So it is reasonable to say that the greatness of individuals can only be judged by posterity.

   Let’s first focus on the field of politics, which is full of well-known names. Admittedly, there is many famous persons who were recognized as outstanding in their times. However, I still insist that justifications by descendant would be more objective. Take Hitler for instance, in his time, many Nazis adored him as idol. On the contrary, Jews treated him as evil. How could he be judged fairly? I think only posterity can equally consider his good contribution as well as negative impact to the world without any personal emotions.

   Besides, there are a lot of examples that great achievement fails to be recognized immediately in art. Van Gogh, one of the most famous expressionism painters in the history of human beings, was oblivious in his contemporary society. He could hardly sell any of his paintings for no one appreciated his painting or rather saying that no one could understand his work and his feelings that he wanted to express through his paintings. There are many other similarities, the great musician Beethoven, the famous Chinese novelist Cao Xueqin and on and on. The values in their works are overlooked in their own time. This is due to that great people usually go ahead of their times, in this matter, great artists surely should be judged by descendant.

   In addition, in scientific field, it is difficult to identify greatness without the benefit of historical perspective. As the proverb says:” Practice is the only criterion to exam the truth.” So one theory must withstand years of examination before people realize the great value of it and recognize how great the person who discover the theory. Stephen Hawking, a famous scientist, whose theory in the derivation of universe is considered by many people as persuasive and eminent. However, he does not win any Nobel Prize till now because not enough fact can be provided to prove that his theory is credible and exact. Maybe after several years when there are sufficient evidences to support Hawking’s theory, he will be one of the greatest figure.

   In conclusion, it is not easy to judge whether an individual is great or not. The only judgments can be made by practice and time. They are just like a sift that only those persons with indeed great mind and do truly excellent contribution to the society can be left permanently.

字数总算有长进了，欣慰

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Issue36 (gogogo)迟交了

Issue：时代局限性，内因－外因
全文写作
Issue 36
"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
“某些个人是否伟大，只能由那些生活在他们之后的人来决定，而无法由其同代人来决定。”

中文提纲：

1. 提出论点， 某些人是否伟大是要经过实践的检验的，而这往往是长期的过程，所以只能由那些生活在他们之后的人来决定。
2. 政治方面举例，虽然不少政治人物在当时就被认为是杰出的，可是我认为都是不客观的，只有有后代的人反思才可以得出正确的结论。举例：希特勒
3. 从艺术上，凡高，贝多芬，曹雪芹，他们都在同时代的时候得不到认可，甚至自己的生活都过得很潦倒，可是他们的作品经过了时间的检验，留名青史。
4.从科学上，很多科学家的工作都是在经过大量实践检验之后才被肯定的。举例：霍金
分析原因，实践是检验真理的唯一标准，一个人是否对社会做出卓越的贡献是要靠后人的不断检验完成的，另一个原因，为人的思想往往超出同时代人的理解范围。
5.总结。
正文：
   I deem that a person’s greatness relies on how much contribution he or she has made to the society. In other words, it is determined by whether a person has done to the society pushes it to go ahead or make it retrogress. （看起来和别扭啊）Time and practice（practice不太好吧）will be able to test one’s contribution to the society is good or not. Since this testing process always takes a long time. So it is reasonable to say that the greatness of individuals can only be judged by posterity.

第一段简明提出观点，只是有的句子还不是很完美～～～

   Let’s first focus on the field of politics, which is full of well-known names. Admittedly, there is（are ) many famous persons who were recognized as outstanding in their times. However, I still insist that justifications by descendant would be more objective. Take Hitler for instance, in his time, many Nazis adored him as idol. On the contrary, Jews treated him as evil. How could he be judged fairly? I think only posterity(还有其他的词好用吗） can equally consider his good contribution as well as negative impact to the world without any personal emotions.

Hilter这个例子用在这里不错，对比很强烈～～  不错～～～

   Besides,（However) there are a lot of examples that great achievement fails to be recognized immediately in art. Van Gogh, one of the most famous expressionism painters in the history of human beings, was oblivious in his contemporary society. He could hardly sell any of his paintings for no one appreciated his painting or rather saying that no one could understand his work and his feelings that he wanted to express through his paintings. There are many other similarities, the great musician Beethoven, the famous Chinese novelist Cao Xueqin and on and on. The values in their works are overlooked in their own time. This is due to that great people usually go ahead of their times,(可以和成一个复合句，把Due to 写在后面） in this matter, great artists surely should be judged by descendant.

不过我是觉得并不是所有的great artists 都得不到同时代的人的认可～～～　 surely should 是不是太绝对了～～～

   In addition, in scientific field, it is difficult to identify greatness without the benefit of historical perspective. As the proverb says:” Practice is the only criterion to exam the truth.”（实践是检验真理的唯一标准，　我不知道这是你自己翻译的还是本来就是这个样子～～　　呵呵） So one theory must withstand years of examination before people realize the great value of it and recognize how great the person who discover the theory. Stephen Hawking, a famous scientist, whose theory in the derivation of universe is considered by many people as persuasive and eminent. However, he does not win any Nobel Prize till now because not enough fact can be provided to prove that his theory is credible and exact. Maybe after several years when there are sufficient evidences to support Hawking’s theory, he will be one of the greatest figure.



   In conclusion, it is not easy to judge whether an individual is great or not. The only judgments can be made by practice and time. They are just like a sift that only those persons with indeed great mind and do truly excellent contribution to the society can be left permanently.

＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝

进步很大吗！！　

总结一下：　论证的比较信服，例子都很好的说明自己的观点，但我认为存在的问题是

你说的例子就拿艺术类的来说～～　为了说明自己的观点，似乎把论点说得太绝对了～～　要知道不是所有的人都的不到同时代的认可，如果口气能够有些许让步～～

会更好的～～

也有个别的单词　我觉的不是很合适～～　我也想不出更合适的～～　就给你提出来了～～　　呵呵

元旦快乐～～～

yunziluoUID: 2164829

I deem that a person’s greatness relies on how much contribution he or she has made to the society. In other words, it is determined by whether (是不是应该加个“what”,说错别见怪。)a person has done to the society pushes it to go ahead or make it retrogress. Time and practice will be able to test one’s contribution to the society is good or not. Since this testing process always takes a long time. So it is reasonable to say that the greatness of individuals can only be judged by posterity.

   Let’s first focus on the field of politics, which is full of well-known names. Admittedly, there is many famous persons who were recognized as outstanding in their times. However, I still insist that justifications by descendant would be more objective. Take Hitler for instance, in his time, many Nazis adored him as idol. On the contrary, Jews treated him as evil. How could he be judged fairly? I think only posterity can equally consider his good contribution as well as negative impact to the world without any personal emotions.（Hitler是公认的恶魔吧，觉得评价有些不贴切。）

   Besides, there are a lot of examples that great achievement fails to be recognized immediately in art. Van Gogh, one of the most famous expressionism painters in the history of human beings, was oblivious in his contemporary society. He could hardly sell any of his paintings for no one appreciated his painting or rather saying that no one could understand his work and his feelings that he wanted to express through his paintings. There are many other similarities, the great musician Beethoven（不公允，生前他就很牛了！）, the famous Chinese novelist Cao Xueqin and on and on. The values in their works are overlooked in their own time. This is due to that great people usually go ahead of their times, in this matter, great artists surely should be judged by descendant.

   In addition, in scientific field, it is difficult to identify greatness without the benefit of historical perspective. As the proverb says:” Practice is the only criterion to exam the truth.” So one（one’s, a,） theory must withstand years of examination before people realize the great value of it and recognize how great the person who discover the theory. Stephen Hawking, a famous scientist, whose theory in the derivation of universe is considered by many people as persuasive and eminent. However, he does not win any Nobel Prize till now because not enough fact can be provided to prove that his theory is credible and exact. Maybe after several years when there are sufficient evidences to support Hawking’s theory, he will be one of the greatest figure.
（此段的论述似乎有点问题，是不是只有得奖才算是被认可？霍金应该是被时代认可的伟人吧，楼主自己也说了。）

   In conclusion, it is not easy to judge whether an individual is great or not. The only judgments can be made by practice and time. They are just like a sift that only those persons with indeed great mind and do（去掉也无妨吧？） truly excellent contribution to the society can be left permanently.

楼主的文章很充实,政治\艺术\科技都有涉及,大有前途啊!

另外,个人觉得举希特勒的例子不是很贴切,他基本在生前就盖棺定论了,而且杀那么多人,恶魔无疑啊!不过仅仅就你的文章推理而言,好象又是自圆其说的.所以我也迷糊了.

[ Last edited by yunziluo on 2006-1-1 at 00:47 ]

neverstopcowUID: 2149686

非常感谢两位的拍砖！这篇当时写的时候就像马拉松，不好意思说些了多久，结果还写成这样，难为两位了！再次感谢！
it is determined by whether a person has done to the society pushes it to go ahead or make it retrogress. 这句话我想了很久，也觉得whether后应该加个what但是加了就觉得跟别扭了，不加吧，has done后面都没有宾语，在想象吧，这句话一定要换个说法了看来
至于希特勒的例子，我想说的是同时代的有的纳粹党人很崇拜他（据我所知是肯定有的），当然更多的人是否认他的，所以应该要由后人评价他对当时社会的利弊（他应该多少有点正面作用吧，嘻嘻，我是一窍不通，麻烦哪位牛人指点下！）
至于贝多芬，我当时写的时候也不清楚他到底生前有名还是美名，想到了就写上去了，看来他生前就是大牛了阿
至于霍金，我倒是听说一点，他的关于宇宙起源的理论得到了很多人的认可，而且据说也没有比他的更完善的理论了，可是他却迟迟未被授予诺贝尔奖，就是因为没有足够的证据证明它的理论是完全正确的，完全有可能若干年后他的理论被证明是错误的，就是从这个角度说明一个理论是需要被实践和时间检验的，这可能是很张的一段时间，所以要由后人完成（还是用中文表达爽一些）
希望大家能在发表意见很高兴能和大家继续讨论！