超越自我小组8月6日Issue50 Argument110讨论区

hermituforestUID: 2354296

提纲50，53，55，67，78，80，30，66，107，114
互改顺序：
鼠--虎狗
牛--兔猪
虎--龙鼠
兔--蛇牛
龙--马虎
蛇--羊兔
马--猴龙
羊--鸡蛇
猴--狗马
鸡--猪羊
狗--鼠猴
猪--牛鸡
参考链接：0710G同主题写作第一期——Issue50
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-710007-1-1.html
argument110 关心句子结构的讨论一下
https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=127095

[ 本帖最后由 hermituforest 于 2008-8-8 13:06 编辑 ]

saavedroUID: 2423190

我晕 呵呵 这是什么顺序。。。。。 貌似很有趣 呵呵    mercurial inspiration

[ 本帖最后由 saavedro 于 2008-8-6 11:48 编辑 ]

apjackUID: 2381599

To 組長, and other groupmate

Please apprise all to post their Iss and Arg on the 超越自我作文小组招新大帖, https://bbs.gter.net/thread-865399-1-2.html, and on the same frame, i mean below your original post. It is very difficult for other groupmates to find your achievements. Many thanks.

Work Hard! Fighting!

Regards
Jack

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交作业
issue50
http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=866677&extra=page%3D2
Argument110
http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=866681&extra=page%3D2

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马马马

交作业

issue50         https://bbs.gter.net/thread-866737-1-1.html

argu110        https://bbs.gter.net/thread-866741-1-1.html

啊拉UID: 2527432

50"In order to improve the quality of instruction at the college and university level, all faculty should be required to spend time working outside the academic world in professions relevant to the courses they teach."

Agree
a. only limited to the campus is not good.(捏造例子吧…)
b. professors need to working outside in order to gain more things and experience(百家讲坛老易先生的例子,无疑是推动教育业发展的..)
c. 让步,teachers should put education on the first place, or they may be influenced by the outside working so they lose their interesting to teach…所以我们要call for a balance.

53"College and university education should be free for all students, fully financed by the government.”

Partly agree

a.      because of the high tuition fees, a lot of students lose the chance to study in the college(examples, 90年代中国…)fees不应该成为受高等教育的阻碍(这话很耳熟…忘了谁说的)
b.       but if fully financed by the government, so problems may come(作为一名发展中国家的学生,我深知教育重要性…but it will a very amount of money, the money should used in some other areas, cause the deficit)
c.       so my suggestion is, government part/social part以激励学生用功,学生也应交一部分…缓解社会压力,毕竟not every country can do such a crazy thing…

55"Competition for high grades seriously limits the quality of learning at all levels of education

Disagree
a.      competition brings more passion & motivation, it can lead one to work hard(example:举个陈省身的例子…话说他给学生从来没有100分而且高分很少…但他的学生为了追求高分巨牛无比)&lack of competition,可能更严重的后果..
b.      although让步,确实competition sometimes cause problems even scandals(浙江省高考集体舞弊案…)but, 我们要控制,我们要坚强…



67"Colleges should require students to engage in public-service activities in order to assure that each student receives a balanced, well-rounded education."
Partly agree
a.       some major it is really necessary.(如艺术~体育~等等~example: 扯吧..)
b.       some major it is unnecessary (数学什么的…example:伟大的陈景润先生,although他是个死脑筋,but he is still famous and make tremendous contribution to the whole 数学界)
c.       public –service 有时会产生的问题…(学生明星…校园暴力…等等…)

78"Schools should be required to teach the essential interconnectedness of all human beings and thus help eliminate wars, cultural clashes, and other forms of conflict.
Partly agree
a.      advantage: just like a small united nation=.=(显然对解决某些问题有帮助…example:浙江大学有模拟联合国…曾经解决过一起国际纠纷)
b.      but 显然是有局限性的:first because of the culture and religion difference, the wars and cultural clashes or conflict exist hundreds of years…so不一定行得通,example 以巴冲突….显然无法解决
                         second do the schools have the ability to teach is a problem.教坏了就麻烦了…


80"All students should be required to take courses in the sciences, even if they have no interest in science."
partly agree
a. obviously science do helps everyone in the society. Examples:什么短路啦…遗传啦…
b. but 在任何时候,我们都不该force people to do something if they have no interest(1.有可能白教or起到相反效果2.其实社会上有很多专业人才,所以并不一定人人要懂科学some super stars knows no science but they still live happily)



30"The primary goal of technological advancement should be to increase people's efficiency so that everyone has more leisure time."
Disagree/partly
a.      we should never ignore the advantage technology bring us, it do increase the efficiency….
b.      Also cause problems: 1.high efficiency means high unemployment (according to a study….)
                          2.high efficiency sometimes means you need to do even more(现代学生比过去苦多了…)

66"As people rely more and more on technology to solve problems, the ability of humans to think for themselves will surely deteriorate."
Partly
a.      tec bring us a lot of convenience, so we can solve problems more esily
b.      but it doesn’t mean we lose the ability to think. Example: 任何计算机设计员绝对比计算机本身牛B…还有节省下来的时间恰恰可以用来思考
c.      让步.American fail to calculate the numbers quickly because they use calculator since young. By contrast with them…most of the Chinese seems more clever because they never rely on the calculator…  

107"Instant communication systems encourage people to form hasty opinions and give quick replies rather than take the time to develop thoughtful, well-reasoned points of view."
Partly agree
a. advantage: eliminate the time in transportation, more convenience, more safety
b. cause problems: hasty opinions and quick replies…to a study…(瞎编的…说明下更多人希望回到从前写信时代去体验那种感情…because develop thoughtful什么的)
c. 结合下吧…我们应该怎么做呢?...和谐疑点…


114"Humanity has made little real progress over the past century or so. Technological innovations have taken place, but the overall condition of humanity is no better. War, violence, and poverty are still with us. Technology cannot change the condition of humanity."
a.暂时想不出来…以后补上
B.
c.


难道我是第一个....=.=

vryUID: 2288609

issue53
1 降低教育门槛，提高国民素质
2 贫困生无法支付（lack of the sponsors）,学校应有scholarship  周边应有part-time job，政府提供低息贷款
容易得来的不会被珍惜，提高入学门槛，全免学费的话，不好。人少。全部放进来，人多，不好

3 教育形式多样性  美国许多大学免费提供网络课程并提供考试，函授大学，大学课堂允许旁听

issue55
分阶段谈。。竞争不可避免，竞争毕竟有促进作用，但要规范。


issue67
1大学与专业学校不同之处，在于培养的目的不同，方式在于对通识教育的强调。大学是提供balanced, well rounded educaiton 的，无论专业是什么
2public service的好处在于对人许多方位的培养。为人处事待人接物。
3过多的关注那些activities会分散学习的精力

issue78
1 学校有责任教导学生向善   学生的很多观念深受学校影响
2战争，冲突是不能被消除的   冲突的根源是价值观的冲突，利益的冲突，生存问题
3 学校很难独立于政府，不得不遵循政府的价值观,意识形态  ideology，世界大同，人人有衣穿有饭吃，唱同一个调调，题设就可能了

issue80
1基本科学知识的重要性
2许多学生不喜欢
3不喜欢也要学！！！ ==!!    教学应多样化，结合实际，生动活泼
(其实这题真的考水功~~)


issue30
1人类的需求是多元化的 不单是效率，，生存（衣食住行，生命，医药），马斯洛需求理论。。。
2效率确实提高了  但是不一定能更多的leisure time ：1现在处于贫穷的还数大多数，吃饭都成问题。。2人都有追求，要奋斗。。。有时间就会用来努力

issue66

issue107
即时通讯的意义，好处。解脱束缚，无间沟通
历来提炼的的观点不能一蹴而就
即时通信能碰撞出 initiative creative 的观点

issue114
humanity 本题指全人类
怎样的进步算是real?   科技在各方面都有发展，医疗
科技让人类更紧密地联系  全球化让战争更难
逻辑错误，现在无改进不代表以后不会，需要过程，

hermituforestUID: 2354296

53，College and university education should be free for all students, fully financed by the government.

Basically agree
A, education–choose person with ability—must not delayed by the financial states.
B, perfect—if education is free for students
C, however—tax is limited—other plans—impossible
D, other kinds of finance—part time job

55，Competition for high grades seriously limits the quality of learning at all levels of education

A, grades—measuring whether master the knowledge—sometimes not equal—no better ones
B, choosing abilities’ way—compare inherit (gene); recommendation (bias); elect(know?)
C, grades is the best way among those ones
D, however, there are side-effect in grade competition—stress, limited, just care for what’s in the exam.

67，Colleges should require students to engage in public-service activities in order to assure that each student receives a balanced, well-rounded education

A, what could public-service could provide to students?—understand the society better
B, what is society like?—cooperate, synthesis,
C, cannot learn in the college
D, some harm—waste time on study—proper

78，Schools should be required to teach the essential interconnectedness of all human beings and thus help eliminate wars, cultural clashes, and other forms of conflict

A，what causation of wars…?—lacking interconnectedness; more profits—all considered
B，even if only considered the interconnectedness—not only the society’s duty but through one’s whole life

80，All students should be required to take courses in the sciences, even if they have no interest in science

A, yes, we should because it can help to solve some problem, more convenience? (properly use modern facilities/care about their own healthy)
B, +, some social scientists need sciences in their study (archaeology—preserve relic & distinguish from toxic)
C, for the ones have no interests—what grade?—basic

30，The primary goal of technological advancement should be to increase people's efficiency so that everyone has more leisure time

A, tech want to but did not actually increase people’s efficiency because employers pursuing more profits with the leisure provided by the tech —business travelling
B, what is actually the primary goal of tech now?—money (Edison refuse to develop projector)—provide more leisure time on the surface

66，As people rely more and more on technology to solve problems, the ability of humans to think for themselves will surely deteriorate

A, not deteriorate, but because the large science, they need to divide their work
B, Some examples—machines, philosophy…

107，Instant communication systems encourage people to form hasty opinions and give quick replies rather than take the time to develop thoughtful, well-reasoned points of view

A, what is IC for?—not to form a idea, but to transfer information
B, academic well-reasoned points of view are published on the books, not by IC
C, the most important events are considered carefully such as whether ro resign

114, Humanity has made little real progress over the past century or so. Technological innovations have taken place, but the overall condition of humanity is no better. War, violence, and poverty are still with us. Technology cannot change the condition of humanity

The same as 88…

教育类没感觉。。。写得很烂~~

hyukiezhuUID: 2291070

53  "College and university education should be free for all students, fully financed by the government."
大学教育应该对所有学生免费，全部由政府来承担。

There is great significance for the county finance education.
1 提高全民素质
2 减轻就业压力
3 促进社会稳定和谐发展

It is not impractical for the country to fully finance the College and university education.政府的钱有很多更重要的去向。
Tax is limited, and must spend on many immediate events such as nature disasters.
Eg;  earthquick

Founds of education can be collected by many flexible methods because it is many objects of the process can benefit from it.
Seek assistance from other organizations, or groups.
Apply a loan.
Practice in company part time




55 "Competition for high grades seriously limits the quality of learning at all levels of education."
人们为了分数而竞争，严重限制了人们各个阶段的学习质量。

Competition makes things more efficient.
Eg: many new technological innovations are based on competitions. The development of nuclear weapon is result from armament race. But it is more often used in energy generation field which is more beneficial than harmful.   

Competition is a two-edged sword which can lead equally to good or evil results. Many competitions lead to tragedies.
Eg: Struggles between different counties and nations. During the two World Wars, numerous people die or lost home and the terrible influence lasted for centuries.


People should make competition in a righteous region.
Many deadlines cannot be got beyond such as moral standard and legislation.




67T "Colleges should require students to engage in public-service activities in order to assure that each student receives a balanced, well-rounded education."
学院应该要求学生们参加公益活动，这样就能保证学生们得到全面平衡的教育。

Agree

Public-service activities can improve the abilities of the college students in various aspects.
意志力
协作精神
学习方面的灵感

提早接触社会让学习更加有目的性。

把握好度，不要过分，忽略学业。



78  "Schools should be required to teach the essential interconnectedness of all human beings and thus help eliminate wars, cultural clashes, and other forms of conflict."
学校应该教给学生所有人类之间本质的互通性，这样就能有助于消除战争、文化抵触和其他形式的冲突。

Realizing the essential interconnectedness would help different peoples of the world communicate with each other more effectively.

Human nature has many deficiencies which should be purified by education.

有些是客观因素造成的人与人之间的隔阂，光学习没用。如：对利益的争夺。B有些是由经济实力决定的，如：全球化实为西方化，尤其是文化上。

zugurrrUID: 2482827

这这个贴是用来教提纲的，另一个你报名的地方

hermituforestUID: 2354296

修改稿TOPIC: ISSUE50 - "In order to improve the quality of instruction at the college and university level, all faculty should be required to spend time working outside the academic world in professions relevant to the courses they teach."WORDS: 656         

Academic colleges and universities are places to educate students and to develop new science and technologies; professions are places to make products to fulfill customers’ needs and services. Some of the academic subjects develop new technologies needed by the professions to improve their products' selling; other academic subjects just search new findings to add science knowledge. Some of the professors have a few works to do in their academic life, but others are busy teaching and doing research which took all time. So, whether the faculty should be required to spend time working outside the academic world depends on different situations.

The faculty whose works are directly used by the professions such as business, automatic, and medicine needs to contact with their relevant professions and even works in those professions for some time. Take a pharmacy professor for example. During his past years, he received plenty of awards by developing new antibiotic. He is proud of that and continued to develop newer antibiotics again and again by extremely hard work. He is supposed to receive more awards and money by doing so; however, he was disappointed after continuous working for several years because people need few antibiotics for its side-effect. This professor failed, however intelligence, for lacking the knowledge of people's demands. If he spent some time working in the relevant company, his tragedy would never happen.

Working outside the campus in relevant professions would not only made them understand the customers’ contemporary demands, but also finding some deficiencies to be resolve in their future studies. For example, an automatic professor found the car's engine has less efficiency during his working in the car's company. He ignited by some very good ideas to solve this problem. But if he always stays in his laboratory, he would never have caught this opportunity.

Academic colleges and universities also have their duty to cultivate students to find a good job, which means professors working outside the campus would provide them more information about what kind of people the companies’ needs.Professors would use the most proper teaching method to educate their students to help them finding a good job in the market. That is actually why so many students want to go to college instead of working directly.

On the other hand, some type of faculty who devote their life in science such as mathematicians, archaeologist, and biologists need not to work outside the campus. What they do is nothing to do with the demands of the customs, but the science only. Imagine what an astronomer should do? Of course watch the space through the latest telescope. Is that means he must spend some time in a telescope company? No kidding, it is nothing to do with him, provide a latest telescope is not their duty. What they should do is just using their knowledge to searchin the space for the space exploitation.

Moreover, the theoretical scientists need not to be care of how their reaching would affect human society. What in front them is anunknown world. They do not know whether their researches are good or bad for the society. If they abandoned their researches just for the unknown threaten, the science would never made process because just as every coin has two sides, every process has two sides too. Machines brought convenience and, at the same time, the greenhouse effect;the technologies with nuclear energy are not just the atomic bomb, but the less pollution nuclear power station. Using the science properly is the decided by technician's moral, by the society's value and the government's efforts, but not the theoretical scientists. Why they need to waste their time on outside work to gain the abilities they need not?

In the end, it is a quite complex problem whether the faculties should be required to spend time working outside the academic world in professions relevant to the courses they teach. We must consider it in different situations, not just conclude as "all must".

apjackUID: 2381599

I agree with the speaker’s broad assertion that most college faculties whose courses are about industry or practical technologies should be required to spend time working outside the academic world. However, the speaker unnecessarily extend this broad assertion to all faculties while ignoring part of disciplines belonged to basic research domain in which work experience is no (not?) better than research activities. In my opinion, whether college faculty should work outside the academia, in professions relevant to their academic fields, depends on the specific academic areas.

For faculties in engineering or business, working outside academia in professions relevant to their specific field has several prominent benefits for students as well as faculties themselves.

First, in this era of rapid social and technological change leading to increasingly updating rate (it seems strange.) of knowledge, the information contained in recently published textbooks often lags (behind) current developments. Working in a multinational company will help the faculties in commerce administration know what the most popularly managing mode (the most popular management mode) is, while working in a roadster produce company will let faculties in mechanical engineering know what is required to be ameliorated for the modern production. It is sufficient for the faculties to get into achievement of up-to-date information, so as to give students more useful and helpful courses.

Secondly, faculty (faculties) who are actively engaged in their fields come to class with fresh insights and a contagious excitement about the subject at hand. Moreover, practical experience can boost a professor's credibility as an expert in the field that is because the professor may have more practical and reliable model or statistics to sustain his own theory. (COMMENT - I think that a famous and successful professor should have some significant contributions in his field and vast publications.) Furthermore, there will be interesting and meaningful experience as well as ancillary, unnoticed tips form the working experience which could be used to make the course more visualized and interesting.

Finally, as a professional who is familiar to the specific demands of the company, professors may help students who are preparing for a career application (career applications) to make more informed career decisions. Moreover, the (no the) professors may design their courses applicable to the real-world experience (milieu) which could help students acquire more abilities need (required) by career pursuing.

However, for other faculties who are in basic research field, working opportunity is not only difficult to find, but also less useful than research experience. For example, ornithologist who studies about golden eagles, could merely find a work relevant to his research field. But he could observe them in wild field and improve his course by this experience to show the significance and possibility to protect them. Take geologist who studies volcanoes for another example, work experience may be useless in their (his/her) study, but there (his/her) investigation result may be much useful for the disaster predictions. (Well examples. I should learn these interesting examples.)

In sum, aside from the basic research areas in which outside work is either unavailable or unnecessary, faculties in practical research fields should work outside academia in profession relevant to their teaching courses, which is helpful and beneficial to students as well as professors.

To: cock
I cannot totally agree with your viewpoints.
The writer clearly points out that engineering and business academic areas are suitable for outside working scheme.
The following two paragraphs then shows its advantages or benefit.

In your point of view, what should write do next?

apjackUID: 2381599

Arg 51

The study is scientifically flawed and has some fundamental logical faults. To make a comparison between two groups of samples (is this better using “patients”) to study on the impact of a single factor on the outcome of the experiment, one should make every other condition equal to eliminate all other possibilities so a clear and unambiguous conclusion can be drawn from the observation of different outcome of the two experiment groups. (I do not quite understand the beginning.) However, the study here aimed to test the hypothesis that has long daunted doctors (???) is far too incoherent.

Firstly, no information is given about the ailments that the two groups of patients suffered. Were they suffering a same kind of muscle strain at the same muscle? Was the severity of the injury equal? Did the two groups of patients have same demographical distribution like gender, age, and race? Were they all injured at the same time, or some of them are injured earlier than the others? Any discrepancy in the two groups of patients in any of these factors abovementioned will render the experiment result unreliable and worthless.

Secondly, the qualifications of the doctors that treated the two groups of patients are also different. One of them is a sports medicine expert, while the other is a general physician. Interestingly, the patient group treated by the former also healed faster. Is this due to the different medication the two groups received? Or is it merely coincidence? Or, very likely, is it the better knowledge and skill of the sports medicine expert played a more important role in the patients’ rehabilitation? Or even it is because of the different level of devotion the two doctors made to their career with the former one being just more attentive and responsible to the patients? Having two doctors of different qualifications for two study groups further complicated the matter and made the result even more ambiguous.

Thirdly, the second group of patients took sugar pills instead of antibiotics. But the exact effect of those sugar pills on human body, especially those suffering muscles strains, is not known. Are the pills tested to have neutral effects to any patients having any kind of muscle injuries? It might not be the case. It is well possible that the pills actually have an adverse effect on muscle’s recuperation. However, they are taken for granted as neutral placebos in this study.

Even if all the above logical flaws are rectified (same physician treating two groups of patients with comparable demographic makeup and muscle injuries; the effect of the sugar pills is indeed neutral) and the outcome of the study is still the same, we still cannot be assured that all patients who are diagnosed with muscle strain would be well advised to take antibiotics as part of their treatment. Because there will always be exceptions. Some patients may be allergic to certain antibiotics. Some patients may already have chronic kidney problems or are pregnant, to whom most antibiotics can be very dangerous. Some patients’ injury may be so minor that the negative effects of antibiotics, like damage to the kidney or economical concerns, outweighs the positive side. Therefore, prescription (s) of antibiotics to patients with muscle injuries should be made on a case-by-case basis with reference to previous cases and the patients’ general health condition.


I do not quite understand your introduction. The following argument seems okay for me.
:)

apjackUID: 2381599

請指教, 好耐都未有人睇.

https://bbs.gter.net/thread-867400-1-1.html