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发表于 2005-4-11 11:20:45 |只看该作者

[B][color=red]同主题第十二期issue218[/color][/B]

218"In order for any work of art—whether film, literature, sculpture, or a song—to have merit, it must be understandable to most people."

题目涉及到value of art, 判断艺术价值的标准，到底谁决定艺术的价值。看似简单的一句话，却是比较难分析的题目，不是一两句可以说清楚地。同意题目也好，反对也好，都必须首先对艺术的本质、功能、价值有深入的理解，才能由艺术的本质、功能、价值出发逐层分析，得出结论。如果不探讨艺术的这些特性，匆忙的下结论，就没法把握好题目。

The Function of Art
概括一句话：艺术的本质和功能就是反映生活。
具体的可以分为以下五点，这五点都是按照艺术发展的顺序逐步出现的。

1．表达美、快乐，给人带来美和快乐
the oldest definition of the function of the arts is that they provide pleasure

2．揭示永恒
Another is that they present us with insight into what is eternal and universal.

3．艺术的教育意义：
A third function: The arts are didactic -- they teach us.

4．表达自己的独特的感情、理解
"expressionism" -- the artist's use of a medium to express unique passion and insight.

5．用艺术推动社会变革
A second kind of expressionism also developed in the 19th century. This one was much more offensive. In societies undergoing tremendous change, artists began to use art to agitate for social change.

（以上资料，部分来自百宝箱
请参考：百宝箱之艺术篇）

讨论完了艺术的本质和功能，下面的分析就可以建立在此基础上了。

The Value of Art

艺术的价值判断的主体：
主体显然是人，那么到底是谁？涉及到的人很多：首先是作者，然后是听众、观众，可以统称为欣赏者，还有统治阶层。

回顾题目，题目只提到了understandable to most people, 忽略了作者，统治阶级。我说作者可能好理解，说统治阶级，可能会让人费解，这要从艺术的历史谈起。

艺术在19世纪之前，一直都是为统治阶级服务的。
At the beginning of the 19th century, these functions of arts to provide pleasure, beauty, and instruction were considered to be the primary responsibilities of art. During most of Western history before this point, the nature of art had been determined primarily by leaders of society's most powerful institutions -- the church, the government, and the aristocracy. Artists were craftsmen at the service of leaders, and much of the work that they were commissioned to create interpreted and upheld their social vision.

如果从本issue题目的立场出发来看，19世纪之前的艺术大多是没有价值的，因为那是为统治阶级服务的，只要统治阶级欣赏就可以了，没有必要去让大众接受。这个结论显然是有问题的，岂不是把Leonardo da Vinci 等的名作都否了。

题目还忽略了作者。从艺术的本质功能出发，艺术作品是艺术家反映生活、表达感情和观点的一种形式，所以作品首先是从其作者出发实现了它的价值。可能艺术的价值只有从作者的角度、生活背景出发来理解才有意义。“A piece of art is divine to one man and ridiculous to the next. Revered artists of the past may not have produced anything more amazing than countless others, but through happenstance become icons.”

从另一个角度，也可以把merit 看作material value, 让大众理解的才会受欢迎，才会有更多物质价值，卖个好价钱。不过，这些作品的艺术价值就值得怀疑了，当然并不是说贵的就是不好的，是不一定有价值。例子就是商业片虽然票房很好，可总是不被评论家和业内人士看好。所以艺术真正的价值和金钱上的价值可以分开来讨论的。

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发表于 2005-4-11 11:24:25 |只看该作者

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The Value of Art
By Shawn Olson

After a distinctly self-contemplative night, I began to wonder what it is that attracts people to art. Certainly I consider myself an artist of sorts… but what is it that makes me an artist? Why do I practice art? Why does anyone immerse themselves in abstract activities that, for the most part, do not add to financial security or other measurable values?

We know that art has been around before written language. Ancient carvings and cave-wall paintings attest to an early drive to participate in artistic endeavors. I would say that our skills as artists have improved since the first cave paintings… but I think there must be the same seed of creativity that connects long forgotten ancestors and modern artists.

I think that the most obvious similarity is that dedicated artists tend to create art that reflects important aspects of their lives. When it comes to ancient man, what could have been more important than food and reproduction? Ancient art is ripe with images of hunting and pregnant women.

As human society evolved into more stable communities, the art changed. Over time the focus on survival was supplanted with self-emulation. In ancient Egypt, for example, the art turned to worshipping the value of great kings and all-powerful gods. The same happened in most cultures.

I doubt that common slaves of Egypt felt that preserving kingly honor for eternity was a motivating factor; slaves probably would have produced an entirely different art than what we find in tombs had they the resources to create art. What is telling is that the art that survived from ancient times reflects directly the values of the people producing and preserving it: in terms of Egypt… it was of the Pharaohs.

European Medieval art reflects a mixture of pagan and Christian ideals. We can deduce that local kings whose roots were largely pagan mixed with the influence of Rome. The artistic work commissioned throughout this time is a constant reminder of those influences.

Take this on up to our own time. An important note to take is that as the traditional religious values of historic importance in the west have been challenged in intellectual circles, the focus of art has strayed. Prehistoric art was focused on life and death… ancient art turned to the afterlife and mysticism; modern art has no focus. I am confident that mass media and the internet have a large role in the change… perhaps we are still too early in the new era to be able to define the motivating factor behind the art that will last; but I feel that the reality is that art has no focus in our age because it is not the secluded craft of the gifted and appointed.

Can we assume that we are different than ancient artists? I doubt we are different. The likely disparity is that very few humans, throughout the last ten thousand years, could afford to practice any artistic endeavors—those who weren’t lucky enough to be drafted into the artist class had no time or money to be creative when they were in from the field. Modern humans have much more luxury than ancient people… meaning they have the freedom to participate in artistic endeavors even if their art brings in little or no financial compensation.

So what is the value of art? Honestly, I really don’t think that art has an enduring value. A piece of art is divine to one man and ridiculous to the next. Revered artists of the past may not have produced anything more amazing than countless others, but through happenstance become icons.

I feel that art is important, but its value is intangible. The more remote the art, the higher its value to our intellectual heritage… but still… it was simply created by simple men portraying their own simple values—or the values of their masters and employers. As a benchmark of our progress and set of values, art is important. But I turn my back on the high-brow notion that artists have a deeper insight on this world from the rest of humanity.

Art comes from our apparently innate desire to express ourselves; some of us, at least, feel the urge to be creative. I would wager that some of the art dug up from times past has less cultural significance than some archeologists say; there is a percentage of art created by any artist that has no deep inspiration beyond a desire to make something beautiful, novel or strange. Other art is simply a form of mimicking.

What is the value of art? I don’t know… and I doubt you know either. All I know is it’s an important part of our lives… and I’m happy that I enjoy it. Moreover, I am glad I appreciate the act of conjuring artistic creations. There is no broad value to any artistic piece in this world, in my opinion… all art has local and temporal value—though some are fortunate to outlive others. But pieces that evoke wonder and appreciation and awe are definitely of utmost emotional value to anyone with an open mind or heart.

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发表于 2005-4-12 20:58:32 |只看该作者

每次总能这么细致的分析，我咋接的了手呀？

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发表于 2005-4-13 00:22:42 |只看该作者

咋回事，这期的同主题很难写吗？

致歉网友，同主题不慎关闭，现已打开，请跟贴，给你工作带来不便，请见谅
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发表于 2005-4-13 00:57:01 |只看该作者

B1  on social levels. ---------Since they reveal the concepts and the impulse underlying, it is impractical to make most people understand arts
B2  on aesthetic value --------- arts may just give people a feeling of beauty. It is not necessary to make people understand the skills or details
B3  on material level ---------  it even do harm for the pursuit to cater public's taste

感想：
发现本专业的东西反倒难写
背景了解的深了逻辑和表达就容易跳跃
还不如那些离得远的主题好写唉～
难点！！

https://bbs.gter.net/showthre ... 1364928#post1364928

首先给我最深的感觉就是词句用的相当不错了，进步很快，注意细节问题，比如B2里can 后面left肯定不对、其它地方也有比较粗心的错误，信号词的表达一定注意，这三个方面的立意很好，但轻重并不是你论述的厚薄决定的，我个人认为作用同等重要。另外，注意一下最后的例子，有些逻辑问题，好好加油，详细修改见原文链接，如有不同意见请和我联系
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发表于 2005-4-13 01:34:37 |只看该作者

前几天想把我那个素材的连接地址放进来，就苦于被锁了，发不来。

sorry，again
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发表于 2005-4-13 10:42:01 |只看该作者

1艺术作品反映艺术家的思想，不一定被大众理解
2艺术作品提升人们的思想，不要求被大众完全理解
3艺术作品给人们带来娱乐方式，要求被部分人理解，而不一是被大众理解

https://bbs.gter.net/showthre ... 1365277#post1365277

呵呵,谢谢斑竹.美女当然大家都喜欢了.你的头像给你很深沉的感觉呦. :D
看到斑竹这么晚还在给大家改作文.感动!

这个头像很好，让我有改作文的冲动
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发表于 2005-4-13 10:59:53 |只看该作者

赶紧贴上，我就说怎么会发不了呢
------提纲------
艺术价值和多数人的认同没有必然的联系
1．艺术价值通常不取决与大众
2．大众接受的不一定就有价值
3．有时候人们无法理解的也会认为有价值

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264227

这篇文章讨论的修改意见基本完全，不再赘述。

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谢谢斑竹哈，这么晚了还在辛勤劳动，PFPF！

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发表于 2005-4-13 11:18:31 |只看该作者

占！

为什么是最后几期呢，我还向一直写下去呢。。。

当初我想到了写作的低谷期，我们要用一段时间整理同主题的工作，所以可能会暂停，但还没有得到其它斑竹的认可，说出来仅为参考，致歉again。看来，我以后说话得小心一点了，whatever，谢谢ZEALPALADIN网友by david

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发表于 2005-4-13 12:12:10 |只看该作者

刚出来就写了可是回不了贴啊

现在回呵呵

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264605

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发表于 2005-4-13 20:24:11 |只看该作者

顶上去，晚上回去改

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发表于 2005-4-13 21:01:26 |只看该作者

我也贴上吧，第一次写同主题

1。艺术作品主要是艺术家主观世界得反映，并不能被大多数人认同
2。很多艺术作品需要专业的知识才能理解，而大众往往不具有这样的专业知识
3。说明评价艺术作品的标准是艺术作品本身的表现，而不是大众的理解

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264607

你们这个小团队很好，互相修改，值得表扬

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